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Ghost Leviathan posted:I see you've come around to the Republican view that voter suppression isn't real. I haven't.
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VitalSigns posted:So the Iraq War was justified? I never said it was. For someone who uses hyperbole as a main strategy of their posting recently, you really don't handle it being used against you all that well.
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Hostage taker releases list of demandsquote:The US has presented its G7 partners with a list of reforms Washington would like carried out at the World Health Organization in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. quote:Glassman said the HHS document shared with the G7 could indicate that the US is looking for a way out of the WHO funding crisis triggered by Trump’s declaration.
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VitalSigns posted:Unless you're claiming that Biden had a super secret plan for how to invade another country, depose the government, and install a friendly regime while killing zero people that he would have carried out in Bush's place this argument doesn't make much sense. At the point where you are saying that just about all of Congress would be as bad as Trump, you're just doing a purity test and pretending it's utilitarian.
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Doctor Butts posted:I never said it was. You compared it to the liberation of nazi-occupied Europe, what did you mean by that.
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VitalSigns posted:You compared it to the liberation of nazi-occupied Europe, what did you mean by that. No, you are. I was talking about the war. Why are you changing things around?
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Sarcastr0 posted:You are condemning everyone in Congress with like one exception for all time. Biden has said that vote was a mistake. Did you know politicians can lie. Biden claims that he never intended the war to happen and that Bush tricked him into voting for it by assuring him that he wouldn't really invade. This is a provable lie, Biden is lying right now about why he voted for the war so why would I believe him. Believe what you want, but "this obvious liar who is lying right now is sincere about having a change of heart about the thing he's lying about" isn't a very good case imo
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Doctor Butts posted:No, you are. I was talking about the war. Why are you changing things around? What did you mean by this Doctor Butts posted:Really, we should have just let Germany take Britain too. I mean, there's no way to have won the war without killing a bunch of people.
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Let's see how the discussion over Hayes' coverage of the Reade allegations is go-..... https://twitter.com/trumpsEvil/status/1255810829481586691 Oh.
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VitalSigns posted:Did you know politicians can lie. Gotcha.
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VH4Ever posted:Let's see how the discussion over Hayes' coverage of the Reade allegations is go-..... This really is centrist Qanon Jesus christ, the internet was a massive loving mistake VitalSigns posted:Did you know politicians can lie. But your argument was that Biden was an architect for the Iraq War and would have led us into if he was in charge (?, I think, I'm not really sure tbh), but now he is lying and would lead us into more war that he never ran (which you admitted was true) I'm having a hard time following here. Are you saying Joe Biden is more likely to lead us into a massive war and carry one out than Donald Trump, because he voted for a popular war or supported one earlier, but has said he since regretted it? I don't necessarily agree that he's completely sincere but at the very least he realizes the loss of political capital over potential war is not worth it. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Sarcastr0 posted:So now Biden secretly loves the Iraq War and is planning to do it again. Yes.
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Yeah I see a lot of very special people pushing the idea that Tara Reade is either not real and a Russian operation to discredit Biden, or that the media is working for the Russians What year are we living in again
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Sarcastr0 posted:So now Biden secretly loves the Iraq War and is planning to do it again. I've never seen that movie The Discovery Of Lying or whatever it was called, but this feels like a conversation characters in a movie like that would have  "what, politicians can just say things that aren't what they believe or don't correspond to reality?! But...how..."Yeah dude I think Biden is going to murder a bunch of foreigners, because he believes that it makes America strong, evidence: his entire career
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VitalSigns posted:What did you mean by this Stop being performatively obtuse. People will die in wars. There is no bloodless one. In a comparison between the real way the Bush administration carried it out, and a hypothetical one Biden may have carried out, I don't think you could get much worse than what the Bush administration actually did. I did not support the war.
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TulliusCicero posted:I agree with you a lot on many things, but please stop putting up strawman arguments I never said. Biden directly enabled the war, he clearly wanted the war, and didn't regret aiding and enabling the war until public sentiment turned wildly against it. A non-trivial portion of the Iraq War does indeed lie Joe Biden's feet. Frankly even voting for the Iraq War should be a full stop disqualification for any Democratic politician. The war was obviously going to be a disaster back then, and anyone who voted for it is at worst a loving moron and at best an amoral sociopath. The fact that Joe Biden didn't just vote for the war, but cheerlead for it, helped speed run the AUMF through the Senate processes so that Bush could invade Iraq, and continued supporting the war for years afterwards- means that a very significant portion of the blame for the Iraq War lives with Joe Biden. Some of my high school buddies never came back from Iraq, and a number of those who did left significant pieces of their mind soul and Body in Iraq. No one else so deeply involved in enabling the Iraq war is on the ticket, but Biden eager participation in facilitating the Iraq War is a matter of historical record, and it is quite logical to place a non-trivial portion of the blame for the war at his feet. Enablers may not be as bad as the people/events they enable, but they are still very bad. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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A decade from now, there will still be people who blame Obama for everything. I'm hoping it's an option on pretty much every poll moving forward and becomes our version of "Attack Japan."
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Doctor Butts posted:Stop being performatively obtuse. Yes people will die in wars that is my point. Biden voted for an unjust and illegal war to happen, knowing that it would kill massive amounts of people, and he was fine with doing that. You can quibble about how much more competently he would have prosecuted the war (very debatable, given his insane plan to balkanize Iraq), but you're still talking about a huge body count even if hypothetically (maybe, very debatable) it might not have been as high as W's The war did not have to happen at all, there's no "well you gotta break a few eggs" in this situation, no one needed an omelette VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Paracaidas posted:A hefty i'm surprised it's only 18% given that it is an article of faith among republicans that obama was responsible for the botched katrina response
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Doctor Butts posted:President Bush didn't carry out Biden's war policy. President Bush carried out Bush's (or Cheney's/Rumsfelds) war policy. Right. The policy that Biden empowered in the senate via his vocal support of, picked the witnesses to testify in front of the Biden headed committee that supported that policy and also voted for despite now claiming he knew Saddam didn't have the WMDs (which the experts Biden had as witnesses appear in the Senate argued) which somehow absolves him of those major missteps that cost people their lives.
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Doctor Butts posted:Stop being performatively obtuse. Why are you trying to make the case that Biden would have run the Iraq War in a more competent manner? And what does it loving matter that Biden would have run a needless war (that he directly enabled/supported) in a better way than the person who wound up actually doing it? Also why are you comparing the Iraq War to the liberation of Europe?
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Sarcastr0 posted:You are condemning everyone in Congress with like one exception for all time. Biden has said that vote was a mistake. The DNC has now repudiated that vote. And yet you predict that Biden is going to be a super deadly President based on it. That same logic applies to just about everyone in Congress in 2002. B) I keep seeing this "Biden has changed his stance on [...]" for every lovely policy he's ever supported, and the thing is, I don't care. If you give me a calculator that gets poo poo wrong every single time, I'm not gonna trust it to do its job, even if a decade of people yelling at it causes it to finally accept 2+2=4. Biden is fundamentally incapable of getting poo poo right until a decade after it matters. That will be true of anything that arises during his presidency.
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Paracaidas posted:Speaking of especially heinous: FUUUUUCK YOOOOOU! "Go back to work! You're essential! But not essential enough to get Hazard Pay! Just essential enough to have what few unemployment protections you have stripped away if you don't go work in the plague mines."
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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/eheisig/status/1255824599507505153 What nurses are well paid? Like...I can think of only the nurses for a plastic surgeon as making a decent amount of money.
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Mekchu posted:What nurses are well paid? Like...I can think of only the nurses for a plastic surgeon as making a decent amount of money. Nursing pay is decent, but not decent enough to significantly risk your life for it.
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Mekchu posted:What nurses are well paid? Like...I can think of only the nurses for a plastic surgeon as making a decent amount of money. “Well paid” as when applied to other people means anything above living in poverty.
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Dick Trauma posted:While this thread has gone magnificently off the rails Tucker Carlson remains laser focused on what matters. A golf friend in MD said all their courses are shut down for fear of infection. Is that not the case in other areas? Why are gold courses open during a quarantine?
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Slugworth posted:A) They all *should* be condemned. How is that a controversial statement? My stars, let's not go besmirching the good name of Congress! Condemned != saying they're all as bad as Trump.
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Mekchu posted:What nurses are well paid? Like...I can think of only the nurses for a plastic surgeon as making a decent amount of money. my understanding is that the term "nurses" includes an incredibly large swathe of people doing jobs that range from minimum-wage awful jobs to jobs with significant influence and pay because it's almost basically a catch-all for "works in a hospital but does not hold a medical degree" and over the past few decades more and more of running a hospital has gotten pushed to nurses i think that overall you have far more of the lower-paid than the highly-paid ones though
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evilweasel posted:my understanding is that the term "nurses" includes an incredibly large swathe of people doing jobs that range from minimum-wage awful jobs to jobs with significant influence and pay because it's almost basically a catch-all for "works in a hospital but does not hold a medical degree" and over the past few decades more and more of running a hospital has gotten pushed to nurses Yeah this is true also. My mind sort of defaults to hospital RNs but a lot of LPNs and CNAs in nursing homes make jack poo poo.
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Mekchu posted:A golf friend in MD said all their courses are shut down for fear of infection. Is that not the case in other areas? Why are gold courses open during a quarantine? They are the playgrounds for rich people so I can absolutely see a world where a bunch of them is kept open.
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Mekchu posted:A golf friend in MD said all their courses are shut down for fear of infection. Is that not the case in other areas? Why are gold courses open during a quarantine? not a golfer, golfing seems like a relatively safe sport given how antisocial it is, but i imagine the clubhouse or whatever is a problem if you could just wander onto the golf course and whack balls around it seems pretty fine
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Mekchu posted:What nurses are well paid? Like...I can think of only the nurses for a plastic surgeon as making a decent amount of money. They deserve higher pay in the same sense of the word that we all deserve higher pay, but at least in my experience, the people I know who went into nursing did so because it was good money and a field that will always have jobs available. [Edit: Yeah, read a few posts above mine, and agreed, if you're talking anything other than RN, there are some exceedingly lovely jobs with lovely pay that may still result in you being called a nurse. I wasn't thinking about CNAs working for 9 bucks an hour in some awful nursing home] Slugworth fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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evilweasel posted:not a golfer, golfing seems like a relatively safe sport given how antisocial it is, but i imagine the clubhouse or whatever is a problem It’s not like everyone’s going to reach down into the same hole. There are 18 different holes!
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spunkshui posted:It’s not like everyone’s going to reach down into the same hole. Wow you run with a wild bunch.
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Slugworth posted:A) They all *should* be condemned. How is that a controversial statement? My stars, let's not go besmirching the good name of Congress! But Trump will not make things exponentially worse, nor gently caress things up during his second 4 years of of his Presidency Do people really think Biden is exponentially worse for the world than 4 more years of a guy who got people to ingest lysol? Are we really arguing this?
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Golf is dumb and bad, but essentially it's just a big park. Not really any more dangerous than going for a jog or whatever, assuming the clubhouse is running on a skeleton staff and following best practices. And if some old rich rear end in a top hat golfers end up doing themselves in anyway, no big loss. Though if public parks are being closed while golf courses can stay open, that's obviously a problem.
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evilweasel posted:not a golfer, golfing seems like a relatively safe sport given how antisocial it is, but i imagine the clubhouse or whatever is a problem As far as social distancing goes, sure. But there are carts, ball washers, holes, flags, and the beer girl.
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