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Carbon dioxide posted:"Hi, I have a complicated question that might require some discussion. When would you have time for a video call?" Nope, video calls are annoying and make the process even more drawn out. Everyone I work with types faster than they speak, although I can imagine wanting to video call a person who hunt-and-pecks I don't mind when colleagues preface questions with a friendly greeting, in fact human communication basically evolved that way and if you have a problem with it then you're the one who's weird
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:who here is talking about not socialising at all? don't be so obtuse. there's a time and a place, and when you're incredibly busy with your head stuck in a complicated problem it's genuinely annoying to have someone beating around the bush about what they've interrupted you for instead of just getting to the point. I'm just imagining someone walking into this person's cubicle and being like "Hi a hot gujju bhabhi, how was your weekend?" and their response being "You're interrupted me while I'm working on a complicated problem, what do you want?" while minimizing a Solitaire window
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Apr 30, 2020 09:35
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I don't mind the extraneous niceties in person. It's just that in person it's easier to judge when someone is concentrating on work, but there's no aversion to bothering someone over chat in the same way. Most people I directly work with will respect the 'busy' status, but because of the circumstances there's a lot of people that don't seem to get the signal. And I mean, I know human contact is a scarce commodity right now, but interrupting just to ask if I've read an email yet is straight up rude under any circumstance. The people I directly work with on my team have a bit more experience doing work this way, and tend to understand the norms around it's use. With anyone else that just hits me up with "hey ...", I've taken to asking them if we can just hold off on the discussion until I'm free. Carbon dioxide posted:"Hi, I have a complicated question that might require some discussion. When would you have time for a video call?"
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Apr 30, 2020 09:50
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In my imagination every human is a elder horror and if you let them open their mouth, they have a portal there, you fail into a spiral that will drain your life and consume the essence. Every human form is a cosmological horror walking around. Hunting for fresh souls to devour. Text can make you crazy slower, but some people is still capable to put into text levels of ambiguity I was not aware before. And maybe text make them uncompfortable? So for the benefict of these people confort I have verbal human2human communications despite these draining my forces and spirit.
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Apr 30, 2020 09:51
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Apr 30, 2020 09:52
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There's some people that'll take forever responding over chat, and at the time I always just assume they're busy with something else at the same time, but then later I'll see them typing hella slow and I'm like lmao, how do they get anything done whatsoever
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Apr 30, 2020 10:03
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dougdrums posted:And I mean, I know human contact is a scarce commodity right now, but interrupting just to ask if I've read an email yet is straight up rude under any circumstance. Definitely, gently caress that
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Apr 30, 2020 10:05
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dougdrums posted:And I mean, I know human contact is a scarce commodity right now, but interrupting just to ask if I've read an email yet is straight up rude under any circumstance. Depends how long ago they sent the email IMO. If they sent it an hour ago then they're being an rear end in a top hat. If they sent it a week ago then maybe they're still an rear end in a top hat, but you should probably have been expecting it.
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Apr 30, 2020 10:14
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Oh yeah, if it was a week ago then I'm the one that hosed up. My personal policy is within the next business day. If it's something I gotta look into I'll at least give them a timeline by then.
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Apr 30, 2020 10:19
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Tei posted:In my imagination every human is a elder horror and if you let them open their mouth, they have a portal there, you fail into a spiral that will drain your life and consume the essence. Every human form is a cosmological horror walking around. Hunting for fresh souls to devour. My coffee cup at the office is an "I survived another meeting that should have been an email." Somehow, everyone laughs at this joke, and then promptly schedules more meetings. They'll even schedule meetings while I sip from that cup during a meeting. I can't tell if this is malice or a lack of introspection.
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Apr 30, 2020 10:28
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If you tell someone your question immediately, then even if they're busy right now, when they have time to respond they can read it at their own pace and formulate an answer and then get back to you with it. If you just say "hi" then whenever they get around to replying to you, they then have to wait and do absolutely nothing until you get around to actually telling them your question, and then you need to wait and do nothing while they actually think of the answer. Of course, there's nothing wrong with including both social niceties and your actual question in your initial message, you should do that.
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Apr 30, 2020 11:11
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Cuntpunch posted:My coffee cup at the office is an "I survived another meeting that should have been an email." My point was that some people need verbal communication. So is something you need. Also if you want to coordinate with that people, you need to do it the way they work. And verbal communication is way faster than text. Time being a important factor for everything (except perhaps love?) make verbal prefered. Also text will not shield you from insanity... people will still find ways to write text that have 8 different interpretations.
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Apr 30, 2020 11:18
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QuarkJets posted:I'm just imagining someone walking into this person's cubicle and being like "Hi a hot gujju bhabhi, how was your weekend?" and their response being "You're interrupted me while I'm working on a complicated problem, what do you want?" while minimizing a Solitaire window i know everyone really gets hard on being contrarian for the sake of it here, but i don't know how it's controversial to say that it's annoying when you're super busy and someone interrupts you and won't get to the point of what they're interrupting you for. i'm not saying you can't be pleasant, i'm just saying at least somewhere among the pleasantries can you actually also include what you're after i clearly wasn't talking about general social banter around the office but imagine it however gets you excited i guess putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 13:18
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If a colleague on Slack waits for me to acknowledge them before asking their question, then it takes them longer to get their answer. If I'm not busy, it's a few seconds of waiting while the other types. If I am busy, then I ignore the question until I'm not, then answer - and if they happen to have become busy by the time I became free, then they have to wait even longer. It's not a matter of pleasantries or hating human contact. It's good to end with friendly and polite things like thanking them. But in any form of asynchronous communication, it's actually rude to say an ostensibly "polite" phrase and then refuse to get to the point until it is acknowledged. You wouldn't do that writing a letter, and it's not because of how casual or short-form the medium is.
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Apr 30, 2020 15:53
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Hey, thread
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Apr 30, 2020 16:09
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Cuntpunch posted:My coffee cup at the office is an "I survived another meeting that should have been an email." lmao, the passive aggression and lack of social skills is amazing here
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Apr 30, 2020 16:19
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Space Gopher posted:Hey, thread hello! 
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Apr 30, 2020 16:30
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Suspicious Dish posted:lmao, the passive aggression and lack of social skills is amazing here Yeah and then it gets more intense when you read past the username
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Apr 30, 2020 16:36
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Doc Hawkins posted:hello! Cc: all-managers, all-directors Oh my god where were you, production has been down for 30+ minutes and nobody was responding when I tried everything to get your attention. I can't believe everyone would just ignore me like this, and the issue is clearly your fault
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Apr 30, 2020 16:39
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my coffee cup at the office says #1 BEST MOM. everyone laughs at the joke, but nobody asks me how my kids are doing, and if i am really, comma, the best mom. i can't tell if this is malice or lack of introspection
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Apr 30, 2020 16:39
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Suspicious Dish posted:lmao, the passive aggression and lack of social skills is amazing here Right? What sort of person would keep scheduling more meetings??
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Apr 30, 2020 16:49
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Doc Hawkins posted:hello! Can I ask you a question?
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Apr 30, 2020 17:06
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The eternal September just got squared.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:21
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Joda posted:Can I ask you a question? Evidently.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:24
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I hope I'm not interrupting
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Apr 30, 2020 17:28
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Doc Hawkins posted:hello! My general response to people that do this in chat is to force them into 10-15 minutes of small talk before I answer any work related questions. If you want to ask a question, ask a question. If you want to have a chat, say hello.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:51
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Bongo Bill posted:Evidently. It's about the thing we discussed the other day
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Apr 30, 2020 17:57
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SupSuper posted:I actually prefer the introductory "hello" to check when the other party is available. If it's an involved question, it's gonna take some back-and-forth so I'd prefer that both sides be present, rather than constantly missing each other with hourly gaps between messages while I have to remember what the question is all over again. Likewise if I see a "hello" it gives me a buffer to reply when I have time, instead of being immediately compelled to drop everything to solve a question. "Hey, I have a couple of questions about the flobnobber, can you hit me up when you have a minute to chat?" and optionally "It's urgent/blocking/etc" or "Whenever you get time, it's not critical right now"
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Apr 30, 2020 18:04
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The Fool posted:My general response to people that do this in chat is to force them into 10-15 minutes of small talk before I answer any work related questions. I don't believe you
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Apr 30, 2020 18:07
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more falafel please posted:"Hey, I have a couple of questions about the flobnobber, can you hit me up when you have a minute to chat?" and optionally "It's urgent/blocking/etc" or "Whenever you get time, it's not critical right now" It's this, this is the way to do it. You don't need a whole meeting but you need the person to help with follow up questions relatively quickly. If it's a single sentence question / answer, just ask the question. If it's involved, schedule a meeting.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:30
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I do think it's nice to preface a message with "[NOT URGENT]" or "When you have the time", but yeah, just "hey" in a professional setting is a big no-no.
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Apr 30, 2020 19:44
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Doc Hawkins posted:hello! a/s/l?
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Apr 30, 2020 19:58
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I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't mind meetings that much because it's a nice break from having to stare into a glowing rectangle all day.
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Apr 30, 2020 20:15
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netcat posted:I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't mind meetings that much because it's a nice break from having to stare into a glowing rectangle all day.
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Apr 30, 2020 21:05
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When I want a rectangle break I go for a walk
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Apr 30, 2020 21:08
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Hammerite posted:I don't believe you That’s nice
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Apr 30, 2020 21:17
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When I want a rectangle break, I like to look at my pocket rectangle.
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Apr 30, 2020 21:21
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 but it's "turn my eyes 30 degrees to the right"
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Apr 30, 2020 21:40
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netcat posted:I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't mind meetings that much because it's a nice break from having to stare into a glowing rectangle all day. Used to be, anyway But so is posting from the bathroom, and that one still works post-apocalypse
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Carbon dioxide posted:"Hi, I have a complicated question that might require some discussion. When would you have time for a video call?" I would grow to hate a coworker who relies on video chat very quickly. "When would you have time" also rudely forces their hand because it assumes they have time and want to talk to you. "Hi, I have a complicated question that might require some discussion. If you think it would be easier to talk about on video I'm available at these times, otherwise here are the details for you to message me back when you can!"
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