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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:
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Pornographic Memory posted:I gotta say it was pretty incredible to see how the complete chaotic half assedness of the initial covid response temporarily freed conservatives to have independent opinions on stuff due to the lack of a party line, and some were actually able to muster up a rational fear response, but now that our corporate overlords have collectively decided it's imperative to murder people for money the MAGA people are following their marching orders without question. It's unbelievable how well trained they have them. The Dark Ages may be a derogatory term for that early period in the Middle Ages, but it no less highlights that you can have a collective population halt and even reverse the progress of science, knowledge, and education purely through tribalism.
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Pornographic Memory posted:I gotta say it was pretty incredible to see how the complete chaotic half assedness of the initial covid response temporarily freed conservatives to have independent opinions on stuff due to the lack of a party line, and some were actually able to muster up a rational fear response, but now that our corporate overlords have collectively decided it's imperative to murder people for money the MAGA people are following their marching orders without question. It's unbelievable how well trained they have them. Yeah, it's always fun watching those gaps where Conservatives actually think about something for a second then get whiplash falling in line when the TV man tells them what opinion to have. Most of them have learned by now to not touch a topic until Trump has weighed in so they know what the right stance is
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Tetrabor posted:The Dark Ages may be a derogatory term for that early period in the Middle Ages, but it no less highlights that you can have a collective population halt and even reverse the progress of science, knowledge, and education purely through tribalism. too real
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Tetrabor posted:The Dark Ages may be a derogatory term for that early period in the Middle Ages, but it no less highlights that you can have a collective population halt and even reverse the progress of science, knowledge, and education purely through tribalism. "Dark Ages" refers to the lack of records available from the period, not the supposed stupidity or badness of the culture. It is "Dark" to us because we don't know a lot about it. Future historians will almost certainly consider our time a Dark Age simply because our digital records won't be accessible in their time. Furthermore, we should be wary about romanticizing a conquering empire built on the backs of enslaved people where rulers were held up as literal gods as some kind of progressive bastion.
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Also the overwhelmed central government lead by gibbering morons and selfserving aristocrats looting the imperial coffers until whole provinces have to act independently even if they still technically acknowledge the emperor.
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Pththya-lyi posted:"Dark Ages" refers to the lack of records available from the period, not the supposed stupidity or badness of the culture. It is "Dark" to us because we don't know a lot about it. Future historians will almost certainly consider our time a Dark Age simply because our digital records won't be accessible in their time. Furthermore, we should be wary about romanticizing a conquering empire built on the backs of enslaved people where rulers were held up as literal gods as some kind of progressive bastion. All I know is they had advanced aqueducts and communal making GBS threads in grand structures only to be followed by rampant suspicion against science if it violated *insert faith here*'s doctrine. I'm not arguing the Romans/Greeks were some Utopian society we should model ourselves upon, just that the following generations placed little value on science unless they were strictly monitored and recorded by the church.
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Tetrabor posted:All I know is they had advanced aqueducts and communal making GBS threads in grand structures only to be followed by rampant suspicion against science if it violated *insert faith here*'s doctrine. [citation needed]
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Whenever someone uses the term "Dark Ages" it's a great sign that they don't know what they're talking about.
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Pththya-lyi posted:[citation needed] here's the group making GBS threads situation https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/01/ancient-roman-toilets-gross/423072/ and the catholic church? they weren't big on science
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Tetrabor posted:All I know is they had advanced aqueducts and communal making GBS threads in grand structures only to be followed by rampant suspicion against science if it violated *insert faith here*'s doctrine. You actually are ignorant of the amount you don't know. Like you literally are so ignorant that you're ignorant of your ignorance. Throughout most of history, there have been advances in science and technology and also decays in those fields. You might well regard the Roman Empire as a dark age - they weren't particularly interested in science, they inherited a bunch of scientific knowledge from the Greeks, then they were employed it. There were relatively few true scientific developments arising from the Romans. They tended to be more engineers. And during the "dark ages" there was, for example, the Carolingian renaissance which saw the widespread dissemination of 3-field crop rotation, the building of many cathedrals, reform of currency, commissioning of thousands of manuscripts, standardization of Latin characters, standardized curriculum, the building of dozens of cathedrals. The term dark ages was widely popularized during the enlightenment as part of a deliberate effort to distinguish the ongoing period as a golden age and provide a clear demarcation while idolozing the classical Greeks and Romans.
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taqueso posted:You know I've been getting some bad vibes from these catholic dudes for while now lol
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pseudanonymous posted:You actually are ignorant of the amount you don't know. Like you literally are so ignorant that you're ignorant of your ignorance. ah, donald rumsfeld's unknown unknowns
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Tetrabor posted:All I know is they had advanced aqueducts and communal making GBS threads in grand structures only to be followed by rampant suspicion against science if it violated *insert faith here*'s doctrine. the Romans weren't exactly big on science or not-murdering-heretics either, where do you think the Church and feudal lords got all that poo poo from what they were was enormously centralized and therefore able to concentrate half a continent's labor and skill on a handful of giant impressive-looking projects whose bones would last millennia. y'know, the kind of thing big hegemonic empires tend to spend their time doing instead of making life tolerable for anyone living under them. Imperial Rome had cool baths! Also it was such a disease pit they could only stave off population collapse through constantly conquering new lands and importing their people A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Eat This Glob posted:and the catholic church? they weren't big on science The medieval Church hated science and logic SO MUCH, they fostered a rigorous intellectual tradition that emphasized dialectical reasoning and laid the foundation for modern scholarship.
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-threatens-to-sue-his-campaign-manager-after-internal-poll-numbers-show-him-losing-reports/ Trump “was shouting” at campaign manager Brad Parscale on the phone during a Friday meeting with advisers, CNN first reported. After they presented grim internal poll numbers suggesting that Trump’s coronavirus news briefings had damaged his campaign, the president attempted to shift the blame to Parscale and “berated” him over the poll numbers. ... Trump said it was “other people’s fault” that his poll numbers slid, insisted that the figures were wrong and threatened to sue Parscale after “mentioning the money he has made while working for the president,” The Times reported. A source said the threat “did not appear to be serious.” “I love you, too,” Parscale reportedly responded.
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Pththya-lyi posted:The medieval Church hated science and logic SO MUCH, they fostered a rigorous intellectual tradition that emphasized dialectical reasoning and laid the foundation for modern scholarship. the church's history in academia is fine in some respects, but the church gave Copernicus, Bruno, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton a ration of poo poo and deemed them heretics
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You are a bastion of history and I thank you for your dedication to setting the record straight.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-threatens-to-sue-his-campaign-manager-after-internal-poll-numbers-show-him-losing-reports/ * Stock market implodes * * 2000 people a day are dying horribly with no end in sight * Trump: Goddamn it, why are my poll numbers down?! My idiot campaign manager must be screwing things up! Brad! Stop loving up my campaign!!!
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canyoneer posted:Whenever someone uses the term "Dark Ages" it's a great sign that they don't know what they're talking about. I need to put the Dark Ages on loop then cause I don't know dick about poo poo
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the Dark Ages is how I'm going to start referring to my goth phase
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canyoneer posted:Whenever someone uses the term "Dark Ages" it's a great sign that they don't know what they're talking about. 
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the romans were big on public works projects but massive war and instability are more why that stopped than anything.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:“I love you, too,” Parscale reportedly responded. I imagine this kind of blasé is the only attitude that keeps you in Trump's employ. All those bootlickers that prostrate themselves to him just get tossed under the bus at the earliest convenience.
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Eat This Glob posted:a ration of poo poo lol
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Eat This Glob posted:the church's history in academia is fine in some respects, but the church gave Copernicus, Bruno, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton a ration of poo poo and deemed them heretics "The Church persecuted some scientists several centuries after the Dark Ages ended" is a pretty thin receipt for "The Dark Ages were backwards and terrible." https://twitter.com/DABailey24/status/1253110395314876418?s=20 https://twitter.com/BeckyTackett3/status/1254190261309145090?s=20 https://twitter.com/carol777777/status/1255862293071454208?s=20 https://twitter.com/LFrye23/status/1253691632232398848?s=20 https://twitter.com/buddymonster/status/1254456053137170437?s=20 https://twitter.com/TracyONeill529/status/1255862312088539136?s=20 https://twitter.com/seanbianca/status/1255862309894881280?s=20 https://twitter.com/DebbieKueck/status/1255876871742504967?s=20
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trump has never once misrepresented the sort of person he is and anyone who voted for him knew exactly what they were getting.
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Wow assuming that something called the Dark Ages is bad? And I thought this forum was anti-racist.
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Predictable. https://twitter.com/cynthiaccox/status/1255939956373143552
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Charlz Guybon posted:I had just finished a bottle of That poo poo is GOOOOOOOOOOD
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Nobody could have seen this coming. I mean, Trump DID say...  It's not like these healthy people are doing things that might get them sick, like... 
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Pththya-lyi posted:"Dark Ages" refers to the lack of records available from the period, not the supposed stupidity or badness of the culture. It is "Dark" to us because we don't know a lot about it. Future historians will almost certainly consider our time a Dark Age simply because our digital records won't be accessible in their time. Furthermore, we should be wary about romanticizing a conquering empire built on the backs of enslaved people where rulers were held up as literal gods as some kind of progressive bastion. no it was a moral term used in the enlightenment to describe Europe after the western Roman Empire collapsed. dark as in bad
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euphronius posted:no it was a moral term used in the enlightenment to describe Europe after the western Roman Empire collapsed. dark as in bad Good point; it's been used both ways. Petrarch and the Enlightenment philosophers use "dark" to mean "bad" because they had big ol' boners for classical Rome, Caesar Baronius and late modern scholars use "dark" to mean "we can't tell much about it." A lot of present-day medievalists avoid using the term "Dark Ages" because they don't want people getting the wrong idea. https://twitter.com/_hublette/status/1255973346891579392?s=20
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I voted for you Donny, thought you were the cream of the crop, the rolls royce of presidents, things were poppin'. Things were starting to cultivate, now my small business is like a grain of sand in the desert, yeahhh. Elizabeth was icin' the champagne and we were ready to go but now we're down in the garbage can, yeah, down in the garbage with you Donny.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the Dark Ages is how I'm going to start referring to my goth phase the romans already thought of this
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