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droll posted:Where in California are you that is going to allow this (end Shelter in Place soon)? "Essential businesses" are not covered by the Shelter in Place order so if they took voluntary measures to send people home or limit store hours then they can voluntarily rescind those and go back to normal on their own schedule. Non-essential businesses have to wait for the all clear.
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Anyone else hearing talk about city governments having a hard time with funding? Apparently Palo Alto is talking about closing down one of their library branches. My library system relies on city funds for a lot of open hours so we're going to be getting reduced hours too.
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Anyone else hearing talk about city governments having a hard time with funding? Apparently Palo Alto is talking about closing down one of their library branches. My library system relies on city funds for a lot of open hours so we're going to be getting reduced hours too. The City of Gilroy is mostly funded through sales taxes from the outlets. The school system is going to absolutely explode. Even before the quarantine, they were shutting down one of the elementary schools and turning it over to either a Christian private school or a charter. Next year is going to be horrifying.
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Haven't seen this confirmed anywhere else but just  forever if Gavbot lays the smackdown on OC specifically for their collective idiocyhttps://twitter.com/aimeefaucett/status/1255954477107916800
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Watching the OC Board of Supervisors & Don Barnes talk about how "OC is doing a great of adhering to social distancing measures" is insane. I seriously don't know how they can say it with a straight face on the same day we report our highest number of cases yet.
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🎶 Nobody's going surfin' No surfin' USA
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WOWEE ZOWEE posted:🎶 Nobody's going surfin'
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Infinite Karma posted:FYI, all California beaches are legally public property due to the California Coastal Act of 1976. Private properties adjacent to the beach are required to allow easements to allow everyone access to beaches. Anyone who claims to have a private beach (lots of wealthy assholes and resorts do) is full of poo poo and openly flouting the law. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 13:37 on May 1, 2020 |
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Bizarro Watt posted:They have private beaches on the East Coast? Jesus. The Wall Street DC scum-coast is scummy.
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BeAuMaN posted:I'm not really sure since I ran across it reading something else and remembered this post, but that may not be the case due to the 1987 USSC decision Nollan v California Coastal Commission, which declared requiring easements in order to get a development permit without specific conditions and considerations is a takings. The Coastal Commission previously required easements for basically any development permits to be approved, however now I think the standard is if the part of the property you're developing was previously used as an easement (i.e. you've historically let people just use your property as an easement for probably decades without any notices) or was prescriptively declared as an easement previously then to develop that area you must then provide an equally sized easement elsewhere on the same property (though that's just from some googling).
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Nollan is about a nexus between the exaction/condition of approval and the private party's development proposal. Nollan wanted to tear down an old house and build a new one, and the Ventura County/Coastal Commission wanted an easement across his property parallel to the shoreline as a condition of approval. In California, the beach is public only up to the mean high tide line. The easement would have widened this somewhat so that some sand above the high tide line would be accessible to the public. The house didn't actually create more of an impediment to beach access than was there before, so the judges found that there was no connection between the new house and public access.
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A few years ago a group of rich homeowners in my hometown tried to block off access to the beach they lived next to and the response from the state was a pretty solid "gently caress off" and that story always puts a smile on my face.
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Infinite Karma posted:I read that as the legal argument that some evil fucks are making and not the actual law or precedent. The easements are takings a la eminent domain, sure, but where did this idea come from that they can't do the takings if people haven't historically trespassed there previously? That reeks of lawyers without a leg to stand on trying to privatize beaches. Did you say evil fucks? Did you know that the term "evil gently caress who denies access to a public beach" translated into Hindi is pronounced "Vinod Khosla"?
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predicto posted:Did you say evil fucks? it's total dogshit that the judge undid the $10,000/day fine on appeal. also: 
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Looks like Riverside will be lifting restrictions. What the gently caress. https://www.sbsun.com/2020/04/30/proposal-aims-to-lift-riverside-county-coronavirus-health-order/
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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Aeka 2.0 posted:Looks like Riverside will be lifting restrictions. What the gently caress. I think they're just easing them back to match state orders. Riverside and San Bernardino county have mandatory face mask requirements punishable by fines while there is no actual state-wide face mask mandate, just strong recommendations. Still sucks poo poo though.
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Well I prefer the masks. When I go home to Riverside it looks like Mad Max with all the masks, I go to work in Anaheim and nobody gives a gently caress.
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Infinite Karma posted:I read that as the legal argument that some evil fucks are making and not the actual law or precedent. The easements are takings a la eminent domain, sure, but where did this idea come from that they can't do the takings if people haven't historically trespassed there previously? That reeks of lawyers without a leg to stand on trying to privatize beaches. Separate from all this the State can just eminent domain stuff with just compensation, but I imagine it tends to be especially costly when it comes to expensive coastal real estate with rich owners who probably hire really competent lawyers. That's what I was getting at more or less. Not a lawyer and this is outside the usual code that I read. The main thrust though is that if an easement doesn't already exist then properties next to the beach most likely don't have to provide an easement, and such properties if owned by a rich/powerful entity are probably viciously protected against it becoming a new easement. There's also an Offer to Dedicate (OTD) program which seems to be there to permanently transfer title of the easement to a public (or qualifying non-profit) entity to preserve the easement in perpetuity (probably related to CA GOV 7050), which probably happens via an agreement over a development permit or because a landowner finds out when they attempt to develop an area of their property that it's legally considered a historical easement and they want to limit their liability. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 1, 2020 |
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The Kholsla debacle is a great example of why land use poo poo should always be handled at the state level, because if that kind of thing was litigated locally he absolutely would have been able to big time his way into making sure no one had access. I wish we had some kind of coastal act preventing restrictive zoning for housing. It’s also a great example of why no one should have that much money. He doesn’t even like the property or the beach, says he supports the coastal act (he may be full of poo poo, but still), and wishes he never bought the place. The entire thing is one stubborn old rear end in a top hat’s fit of pique, over something he doesn’t even like or enjoy. Tax away his money for his own good.
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Still Dismal posted:He doesn’t even like the property or the beach, says he supports the coastal act (he may be full of poo poo, but still), and wishes he never bought the place. The entire thing is one stubborn old rear end in a top hat’s fit of pique, over something he doesn’t even like or enjoy. Tax away his money for his own good. yeah for real quote:The “beach issue,” as it is called internally at Khosla Ventures, has surprisingly not been a problem in the office. “It’s an incredible negotiating tool for me,” said Samir Kaul, another partner at Khosla Ventures.
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I'm always seeing these stickers on people's trucks, the ones with the roman numeral III inside a circle of stars. I've been telling myself they aren't three percenter stickers, but then that NFL player got in trouble for having the exact same symbol as a tattoo. So I guess what I'm saying is that being the best of the two coasts is like being the best of the two American political parties.
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Tomorrow after living here since I was six years old I will be moving out of this state to go live in sin in washington. I love California and I absolutely despise California and I will miss it and be happy to see the back of it in equal measure. It has been a pleasure posting with you all, at least I'll still be on your side of the border when the western states pact declares independence after the chud states push through a constitutional convention or w/e the gently caress
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Good luck in Washington! That Roman numeral 3 and stars is a three percenter sticker. Some guy flys that flag here in ol' Seal Beach. Nice apartment next door but I ain't renting poo poo next to that guy
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Anyone else hearing talk about city governments having a hard time with funding? Apparently Palo Alto is talking about closing down one of their library branches. My library system relies on city funds for a lot of open hours so we're going to be getting reduced hours too. absolutely. we do a lot of work with SFO/Port of SF/SFDPW/EBMUD and lots of our upcoming work on various as-needed contracts is getting shelved and we're starting a big mult-million project that may or may not get funded through the end of the year, which sucks. i don't expect funding to bounce back anytime soon.
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atelier morgan posted:Tomorrow after living here since I was six years old I will be moving out of this state to go live in sin in washington. I love California and I absolutely despise California and I will miss it and be happy to see the back of it in equal measure. It has been a pleasure posting with you all, at least I'll still be on your side of the border when the western states pact declares independence after the chud states push through a constitutional convention or w/e the gently caress Turn back! TUUUUUUURN BAAAAAACK!
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What are Washington and Oregon like? I only visited Oregon once, and never been to Washington. I'd always assumed they were a lot like California, but whiter, and wetter (at least on the Western side).
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FRINGE posted:Turn back! TUUUUUUURN BAAAAAACK! Nope it's where basically all my close friends live and im moving in with multiple cool and cute girls among those friends, as opposed to here where everyone I knew growing up moved away years ago DrSunshine posted:What are Washington and Oregon like? I only visited Oregon once, and never been to Washington. I'd always assumed they were a lot like California, but whiter, and wetter (at least on the Western side). It's just a totally different climate. I'm not even sure how to describe it. At least, compared to the Sacramento area, where I'm from. It's small, for one thing, in that you never have the big, sweeping vistas where you can see nothing in the distance for miles and miles like in the valley, or the absolutely unbroken trackless nightmare forests of the north. It's not even just that it's more rainy than that there's a lot more weather in general, they get snow up there (which will be completely foreign to me, I've actually never been in snow) and have less of a summer: yes/no. Also it never gets absolutely miserable poo poo gently caress hot and so sunny that looking anywhere outside without sunglasses makes your eyes want to die.
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DrSunshine posted:What are Washington and Oregon like? I only visited Oregon once, and never been to Washington. I'd always assumed they were a lot like California, but whiter, and wetter (at least on the Western side). Dark, insular, small
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atelier morgan posted:Nope it's where basically all my close friends live and im moving in with multiple cool and cute girls among those friends, as opposed to here where everyone I knew growing up moved away years ago now, you're going to be our representative up there in the mysterious north so please don't embarrass us, your family.
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WA & OR have a similar social/political dynamic as here, where the state overall is pretty progressive, but once you head outside of the big cities you start to run into plenty of chuds. They tend to be better armed and more organized up there though, we have less of a militia subculture among our right wingers here, thank god. Still present, but not as bad.
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atelier morgan posted:Nope it's where basically all my close friends live and im moving in with multiple cool and cute girls among those friends, as opposed to here where everyone I knew growing up moved away years ago Don't you dare start cheering for the Seahawks.
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Still Dismal posted:WA & OR have a similar social/political dynamic as here, where the state overall is pretty progressive, but once you head outside of the big cities you start to run into plenty of chuds. They tend to be better armed and more organized up there though, we have less of a militia subculture among our right wingers here, thank god. Still present, but not as bad. The Seattle area is a mix of libertarian business ethics (Amazon rules downtown Seattle) and The Wokest Social Outlooks skipping hand in hand down the toll bridges. The cops have a real bad rep, but thats because no one local has ever encountered an average cop from SoCal. Rent and sales tax are high, but coming from CA you wont even notice! Alcohol is really expensive because stacking taxes on the poor makes up for not taxing Amazon.
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atelier morgan posted:Tomorrow after living here since I was six years old I will be moving out of this state to go live in sin in washington. I love California and I absolutely despise California and I will miss it and be happy to see the back of it in equal measure. It has been a pleasure posting with you all, at least I'll still be on your side of the border when the western states pact declares independence after the chud states push through a constitutional convention or w/e the gently caress I made a similar move to Texas almost a decade ago. My mentality is similar in that there is a lot I love (and miss) about California and a lot I hate about it. However, I get enough anti-California sentiment from Texans so I mostly like to point out the ways that California is better, because few are interested in having nuanced conversations about the pros and cons of either state. That said, two weeks ago I filled an online form to change the address on my Texas driver license and I got a new (REAL ID-approved) one a few days ago, so that was pretty nice.
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DrSunshine posted:What are Washington and Oregon like? I only visited Oregon once, and never been to Washington. I'd always assumed they were a lot like California, but whiter, and wetter (at least on the Western side). I've lived in Seattle for a very long time and moved back here to my hometown for tech. Despite Seattle having a decent Asian population, I would still get looks from white people when walking into places on the rare occasion. King county is actually pretty progressive but when you get out of Seattle/Bellevue area it's full of chuds, like Still Dismal said. The PNW thread here and the Seattle thread in LAN can fill you in on politicians like Tim Eyman--when you get your voter ballot you'll probably see that guy's name. There's also (at least used to be) an opioid epidemic, so some public bathroom stalls have very short walls so homeless can't just go in and shoot up. Seattle is a small town that pretends it's a big city, and is even worse now that Amazon has transformed the entire downtown/SLU area. The people in the PNW in general are pretty introverted and passive aggressive despite being very nice to your face--there's actually a name for it: "the Seattle freeze". The weather is miserable about 6 months out of the year, but summer is super beautiful with long sunny days. The outdoors there are amazing and if you're tired of the local outdoors you can drive up to Vancouver/Whistler. The local brew scene is great and you can even pick up raw apple juice to turn into cider yourself. There's a big nerd culture there and some people pride themselves on being weird, but I don't know how much of that is dead now thanks to Amazon/Google/FB.
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AlphaKeny1 posted:I've lived in Seattle for a very long time and moved back here to my hometown for tech. Despite Seattle having a decent Asian population, I would still get looks from white people when walking into places on the rare occasion. What's the taco truck scene like? How are the beaches?
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Rainbow Knight posted:What's the taco truck scene like? How are the beaches? Oh my god this is it, this is the most  post.
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