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relax-o-vision posted:He should, but you and I both know he isn't going to drop out. The president in 2021 will be a rapist, and taking a principled stand will do nothing to prevent that. Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
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Probably Magic posted:I honestly feel that Donald Trump is fait accompli, and if he's not, then Joe Biden is fait accompli. At this point, I feel the election slate and maybe even the electorate itself doesn't represent me at all. Two rapists who want to deny me healthcare? My life will be similarly lovely under either president. There is more to me, of course, like the border situation, but Biden in my opinion cannot be trusted to do anything about it, and more realistically, Neera Tanden in the shadows of the oval office can't be trusted to do anything over other than giving Sharice Davids a cabinet position and furthering the war in Syria. There's just no way I win, there's no way anyone I know who's far more disadvantaged than me wins, and at this point, this election is largely irrelevant on an executive level. I fear it'll be bad for the down ballot as well and my partisan voting there will matter just as little as it did in 2016. At this point, it's about forming alternative structures, but as someone with high anxiety issues who doesn't have insurance to treat it, actually going about the altercations and organization of strikes, protests, and active community representation seems daunting to next to impossible for me. For me personally, I feel paralyzed, knowing full well only a series of strikes can do anything to prevent this, but being out of the workforce and in a general bad way from the collective failures of Obama and Trump. I don't know what's coming next. But if you're talking about an objective in advocating against Biden - I'd rather at least one party be punished for nominating a rapist, and we all know drat well it's never the Republicans. There's just no real benefit to caving and at least some personal advocacy, the kind of advocacy I never fully had as a child, in advocating that the Democrats, the supposed party of #metoo, not get in a loving rapist. Yeah, I get that, totally understandable. I think I’m a little more optimistic of how Biden would govern vs Trump, but I’m not gonna blame anyone for being skeptical. Plus, there’s the whole sexual assault thing, and if clearing that very low bar for nominating someone has been thrown out the window, it’s a sign that poo poo’s gotten pretty bad. Thanks for sharing. It’s appreciated.
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The NY Times editorial board is calling for an investigating and it's on the front page. Next week will be extremely interesting.
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relax-o-vision posted:So yesterday, armed neo-nazi thugs barged into my state's capitol building in a show of force. Today, the president called those neo-nazis "very good people." I guess I'm in a quandary. On the one hand, I believe it's morally wrong to vote for a rapist like Joe Biden. On the other hand, I also believe it's morally wrong to allow neo-nazis to remain in power. Those are both deeply held moral convictions for me, and right now they are in conflict. I can't fulfill both, and something has to give. relax-o-vision posted:He should, but you and I both know he isn't going to drop out. The president in 2021 will be a rapist, and taking a principled stand will do nothing to prevent that. This doesn't read like you are facing a quandary at all and are instead trying to tell people to vote for the Democrat's rapist because what can you do about having a rapist on your party's ticket y'know? Or to put it differently: Brownhat posted:Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
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Brownhat posted:Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. Which non-rapist do you think has a path to victory?
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Mekchu posted:This doesn't read like you are facing a quandary at all and are instead trying to tell people to vote for the Democrat's rapist because what can you do about having a rapist on your party's ticket y'know? You got me, I do in fact believe it is morally wrong to allow neo-nazis to remain in power. Do you disagree?
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Gripweed posted:Thanks to Joe Biden, the Women's March's position is that rape isn't really women's business, don't ask them about it https://twitter.com/womensmarch/status/1256369032015556609 It was dumb that they asked Female leaders before him but still.
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Scientist Al Gore posted:The NY Times editorial board is calling for an investigating and it's on the front page. Next week will be extremely interesting. Joe's campaign really shouldn't have twisted their words to pretend they exonerated him. RBA Starblade posted:Which non-rapist do you think has a path to victory? If Biden dropped out? Many, actually. Until then, I'll continue to withhold my support.
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relax-o-vision posted:He should, but you and I both know he isn't going to drop out. The president in 2021 will be a rapist, and taking a principled stand will do nothing to prevent that. It will prevent you from helping put a rapist in the white house.
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relax-o-vision posted:Either you oppose nazis by supporting a rapist, or you oppose rape by allowing nazis to have the support of the president. Either way, you are morally compromised. What do you think is the correct choice? Doesnt Trump himself have like a dozen women accusing him of rape allegations as well? I feel like nobody ever brings this up, maybe its cause it's buried under the mountain of scandals he already has.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Remember when Biden talked about clean coal. In 2008. lol Yeah but Trump doesn't even clean the coal before burning it
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relax-o-vision posted:He should, but you and I both know he isn't going to drop out. The president in 2021 will be a rapist, and taking a principled stand will do nothing to prevent that. My vote doesn't matter because of the electoral college, since nothing I do matters why would I go out of my way to vote for a rapist, seems immoral
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VitalSigns posted:My vote doesn't matter because of the electoral college, since nothing I do matters why would I go out of my way to vote for a rapist, seems immoral But you see, you're supporting neo nazis by *checks notes* not voting for them?
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relax-o-vision posted:You got me, I do in fact believe it is morally wrong to allow neo-nazis to remain in power. Do you disagree? I find the one rapist as unbearable and abhorrent as the other rapist. Because I find rape to be bad.
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relax-o-vision posted:You got me, I do in fact believe it is morally wrong to allow neo-nazis to remain in power. Do you disagree? So instead you'll be putting in *checks notes* Strom Thurmond's buddy Hm.
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Gripweed posted:It will prevent you from helping put a rapist in the white house. So you're willing to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, in order to prevent a rapist from becoming president (even though the president will still be a rapist)? That's an acceptable trade-off to you? Brownhat posted:But you see, you're supporting neo nazis by *checks notes* not voting for them? Refraining from actively opposing them does count as passively supporting them, yes.
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Mekchu posted:I find the rapist segregationist as unbearable and abhorrent as the rapist neo-nazi. The best part is that, technically, only one side is forced to nominate a rapist. The other side is trying to nominate a rapist willingly.
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Gripweed posted:when you're presented with a choice between right-wing rapists, the moral choice is neither. Unfortunately, you're going to be supporting one or the other obtaining or staying in power one way or another in the current system.
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relax-o-vision posted:
Ok well according to this reasoning by not voting for either party I'm passively supporting Biden, so you should be satisfied then
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Parrotine posted:Doesnt Trump himself have like a dozen women accusing him of rape allegations as well? I feel like nobody ever brings this up, maybe its cause it's buried under the mountain of scandals he already has. Personally I don't bring it up because I don't really run into people that are considering voting for Trump. But yes, Donald Trump is a serial rapist and I would not recommend anyone, under any circumstances, vote for him to be President.
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RBA Starblade posted:Unfortunately, you're going to be supporting one or the other obtaining or staying in power one way or another in the current system. what the gently caress is this incoherent nonsense hmm yes, a vote for neither ....supports both? what the fcuk are you talking about
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relax-o-vision posted:So you're willing to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, in order to prevent a rapist from becoming president (even though the president will still be a rapist)? That's an acceptable trade-off to you? I'm not voting for a rapist. There is no justification for voting for a rapist. I'll either vote for a candidate who has never committed a rape, or I won't vote at all. But I will not use the tiny little inconsequential power of a vote I have to put a rapist in the whitehouse.
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RBA Starblade posted:Unfortunately, you're going to be supporting one or the other obtaining or staying in power one way or another in the current system. How is not voting supporting a candidate?
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Not voting is acceptance of the status quo, a rapist in charge, or not caring what the outcome will be which is a rapist in charge. There is no escape I'm afraid. Unoriginal Name posted:what the gently caress is this incoherent nonsense Who is the incumbent, and what has he done? RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 04:26 on May 2, 2020 |
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Parrotine posted:Doesnt Trump himself have like a dozen women accusing him of rape allegations as well? I feel like nobody ever brings this up, maybe its cause it's buried under the mountain of scandals he already has. Is it relevant. If the argument is "Biden didn't do it", Trump raping women has no bearing on whether Biden has assaulted women. The only way it's relevant is if Democrats get free passes to rape based on how much Trump has raped, so probably the reason it's not brought up is people don't feel comfortable making an argument like that
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RBA Starblade posted:Who is the incumbent, and what has he done? Are you suggesting that not voting is supporting the incumbent?
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Gripweed posted:I'm not voting for a rapist. There is no justification for voting for a rapist. I'll either vote for a candidate who has never committed a rape, or I won't vote at all. But I will not use the tiny little inconsequential power of a vote I have to put a rapist in the whitehouse. OK, so you feel it is morally acceptable to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, got it. Thank you for your candor. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Gripweed posted:Are you suggesting that not voting is supporting the incumbent? As I said, it's either acceptance of the status quo or a lack of interest in the outcome. Both end with a rapist in charge.
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relax-o-vision posted:OK, so you feel it is morally acceptable to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, got it. Thank you for your candor. You feel it is morally acceptable to support a rapist for president. You are in no position of moral superiority here.
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relax-o-vision posted:OK, so you feel it is morally acceptable to allow neo-nazis to remain in power, got it. Thank you for your candor. By nominating a rapist who will lose Democrats are helping a neo Nazi remain in power, I agree that it's immoral of them and they should not do it, but it doesn't have anything to do with me I'm not the one coronating a rapist in backroom deals VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 2, 2020 |
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Gripweed posted:You feel it is morally acceptable to support a rapist for president. You are in no position of moral superiority here. No one is, sadly.
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RBA Starblade posted:As I said, it's either acceptance of the status quo or a lack of interest in the outcome. It's refusal to take part in a monstrous choice with no acceptable option.
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Gripweed posted:It's refusal to take part in a monstrous choice with no acceptable option. Unfortunately, that still ends with a rapist in charge.
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RBA Starblade posted:No one is, sadly. it's impossible to say this without sounding like a self-sucking loser but no anyone on team 'I won't vote for a rapist with a long history of supporting violence and bigotry, regardless of party labels' is actually the morally superior camp. It's a very black and white thing, either the things Biden did are okay because he's nominally 'on your side' or they're not.
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RBA Starblade posted:Unfortunately, that still ends with a rapist in charge. You don't have to pick your favorite rapist. You can refuse.
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RBA Starblade posted:Unfortunately, that still ends with a rapist in charge. you can just not vote for president, you can just opt out of supporting a rapist, it's literally the easiest thing to do, just walk away.
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