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relax-o-vision posted:You guys are really starting to worry me. You're implying here that nazis are motivated by legitimate economic grievances. You're tiptoeing down the path towards saying they are "very good people." Like, you're aware that Trump voters in 2016 skewed wealthier than Clinton voters? People did not become neo-nazis because they couldn't pay their student loans. It has never been about economic anxiety. It was always, always racism. Please take a hard look at what you're implying when you humanize nazis like this. So, to be clear, you believe that Donald Trump won both the primary and general elections because racism is popular? From my standpoint, I see a lot of people scared that they will lose their house, scared they won't have enough to eat, scared they won't have a job to pay the rising bills, and Donald Trump offered them a solution. He said it was the Mexicans taking their jobs, it was the immigrants making them lose their wages and inflating the price of housing. Say what you want about racism, it offers solutions. Lies and idiocy, yes, but what else did they have to choose from? One candidate is saying "Everything is fine, nothing to worry about" and another is saying "I will fix everything." Honestly, for people in trouble, the latter is far more appealing. Even if we assume that the former is a far more competent, more practiced executive, they won't do anything. Donald Trump, for all his idiocy, recognized unrest in this country and addressed it. Hillary Clinton didn't. That's why Trump won. And it's also why Biden may well lose.
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May 2, 2020 16:53
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Joe Biden is Joe Biden. hosed up if true
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May 2, 2020 16:53
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Who cares if the current numbers are good (they aren't, not really), all that's needed is a few dribs and drabs in this state, or another to get another electoral college win, anything more is gravy.
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May 2, 2020 16:53
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sexpig by night posted:it's a really strong ad and trump is gonna spend the next six months murdering him with poo poo like that. Even when he fucks up and reminds us he's also an accused rapist his campaign will just release another mashup of every time an endorser supported metoo or whatever Well it is going to hit right at the heart of who it is aimed at, suburban women. They broke from the GOP over Trump and the Kavinuaugh stuff. They are going to blast this from every rooftop from now until the election and it will likely have a very big effect on that demographic as they can vote for the party that they share more of their views with since both men are rapey monsters. Frankly I don't see him making it to the election.
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May 2, 2020 16:55
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Generally speaking, the general is supposed to excite people about their candidates. All we're getting are two rapists that will be lucky if their rallies break 5 figures in crowds. Especially with covid. Democrats are cowards.
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May 2, 2020 16:57
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Generally speaking, the general is supposed to excite people about their candidates.
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May 2, 2020 17:01
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Buckwheat Sings posted:Generally speaking, the general is supposed to excite people about their candidates. Trump is the most popular president within his own party in as long as they've been tracking it lol
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May 2, 2020 17:06
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Djarum posted:Well it is going to hit right at the heart of who it is aimed at, suburban women. They broke from the GOP over Trump and the Kavinuaugh stuff. They are going to blast this from every rooftop from now until the election and it will likely have a very big effect on that demographic as they can vote for the party that they share more of their views with since both men are rapey monsters. Listen here, Jack, for every suburban woman we lose we're gonna gain two blue-collar workers in the Rust Belt, and...oh wait. poo poo.
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May 2, 2020 17:09
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So, to be clear, you believe that Donald Trump won both the primary and general elections because racism is popular? I think that racism has always existed in America and it’s had a natural home with the Republican Party after the realignment. I’d even go as far as saying that what really killed the new deal was when the democrats began trying to extend new deal benefits to blacks as well. I think southerners used to be super economically left wing but socially right wing and their identity trumped economics. They faced a choice and they decided they’d rather all starve and die than let black people have the same advantages and benefits that they have enjoyed. However those people aren’t numerous enough to completely lock down the country into some kind of neoliberal dystopia. After the southern strategy you also have apathetic white folks in rust belt states who saw their incomes and livelihoods disappear. The opioid crisis is a reaction to the catastrophic loss of hope in these areas. In very very rough terms so it’s easy to explain I think 40% of america is racist, 20% just doesn’t care and the rest are pushing for a more equitable and inclusive society. Your fight is for the apathetic people. This is where I think your post is accurate and it needs to be restated a million times. People who aren’t normally racist (or just don’t care about race related issues) voted for Trump because he offered them solutions to their pain. He tapped into the “American Carnage” he described and seeing as america is pretty polarized it’s the apathetic folks in the middle who switched to Trump because he actually put something on the table. When the general election reaches the centre of public attention this is why Trump will win. People will vote for him not because they trust him but because the democrats have nothing to offer and have no concrete values. They compromise it all away. Trump is at least saying things that make sense in catchy slogans and sound bytes. If the left wants a chance in the future they’re not going to win by going in long winded rants about complex policy solutions. That’s not what politics is about. You keep those things in your back pocket and hire the right adviser and experts to push your economic alignment. Instead you keep it simple. You come up with powerful catchphrases and slogans that trend really well and mean something to everyone. MAGA means a lot of things to different people. For some it’s a return to Jim Crow and segregation. For others it’s memories of when you could make 30 bucks an hour working in a steel mill and buy a 40-80,000 single detached home with a car on a single salary for your housewife. Hope and Change meant different things to Obama too. Nobody on the left had a good catchphrase with broad appeal like that. For Bernie, “not me us” is good for the people who already liked him but did little to raise the appeal to others. The fact of the matter is your plans and policies don’t mean poo poo to voters. Trump knows that. You Have to do the most intellectually bankrupt bread and circuses kind of charade to turn out voters who have the attention span of a puppy in a park full of squirrels.
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May 2, 2020 17:13
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Somfin posted:The correct answer is that the only acceptable reaction to nazis is to destroy them and anyone who suggests otherwise needs to be considered a potential collaborator. This.
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May 2, 2020 17:16
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They wanna say it's all racism but also refuse to acknowledge the big chunk of Obama voters that went to trump that absolutely cost Hillary the win, they have pudding for brains and are unable to see what is right in front of them, and will continue to out of self preservation because they've gone and done the same thing all over again
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May 2, 2020 17:25
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Look if you're gonna call Joe Biden a rapist, just be honest about it. He is a pedophile with a breathtakingly long history of harassing, groping, sniffing, and assaulting girls and women. We will have to wait until the debates and Presidential Candidate Rape Trials to see if he or the president is the biggest rapist in the country
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May 2, 2020 17:34
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It's going to be weird viewing when MAGAchuds start advocating for aid for sexual assault survivors to own the libs.
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May 2, 2020 17:36
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Djarum posted:Frankly I don't see him making it to the election. I'm not so sure. I don't see how they could drop Biden before the convention and still keep Bernie from the nomination short of straight up declaring that votes don't matter, they do what they like. Which they don't want to do because they want to maintain the facade of legitimacy. But the convention is in August. So they're gonna be saying Biden is good and women are liars through, May, June, and July. And at that point, gently caress it why not go all the way? Drag Biden's corpse to November, if he loses blame it on Bernie Bros and try again with Kamala or the Butt in 2024. Why not?
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May 2, 2020 17:36
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Things aren't looking good for the Democrat party today
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May 2, 2020 17:39
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I'll be surprised if they survive at all after this. They'll be permanently the do nothing minority party with no values or goals. Liberals basically.
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May 2, 2020 17:42
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That ad is loving brutal. One of the following is true: Metoo was always a fraud. I can't support the party that weaponized it. or Metoo was real but the democrats are complete loving hypocrites about it. I can't support that either.
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May 2, 2020 17:50
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"Obama vetted him so he's all good" is especially funny because Obama's daughter interned with Weinstein
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May 2, 2020 17:50
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the_steve posted:It's going to be weird viewing when MAGAchuds start advocating for aid for sexual assault survivors to own the libs. Maybe our best shot at a progressive platform is to Br'er Rabbit the Republicans into it. Noooo don't do M4A, Biden hates it!
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May 2, 2020 17:52
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https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1256609193777299456?s=20 Gotta love that two or three months ago Bernie was a horrible, sexist, misogynistic monster and every women's org (that all happen to be run by super wealthy neolibs, what a coincidence) was calling for Bernie to be #canceled. But ol' Gropey Joe? Nah it's fine that he's accused of assault, has molested dozens of children, and told a fourteen year old that her tits were lookin' great that day.
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May 2, 2020 17:55
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RBA Starblade posted:Not voting is acceptance of the status quo, a rapist in charge, or not caring what the outcome will be which is a rapist in charge. wait, when I didn't vote for hillary in 2016, I was actually supporting and accepting her? 
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May 2, 2020 18:00
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Condiv posted:wait, when I didn't vote for hillary in 2016, I was actually supporting and accepting her? No, that was when you were supporting and accepting the fascist rapist Donald J Trump, not the liberal rapists wife KKKillery KKKlinton. Not the current liberal rapist mind you, that is who you were supporting when you voted for Obama.
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May 2, 2020 18:04
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Gripweed posted:Yes but let's not be distracted from the fact that she fed her dog an entire human burrito for it's birthday, and did so by just putting the burrito on her rug inside. She didn't put it on the ground outside, or in the dog's bowl, or even on a plate. She just let the dog destroy a burrito all over her nice rug. Make The Dog President
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May 2, 2020 18:05
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Okan170 posted:I understand Biden is an awful rapist, but Everyone is just going to have to loving deal with the fact that for a large pool of voters, nothing anyone could say beyond "but" matters enough to support Joe Biden.
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May 2, 2020 18:10
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Gumball Gumption posted:1.5C is still a lot more death and destruction than we should feel comfortable calling acceptable. You're not wrong but I think people want to live in the world that "just ok" policies get them as much as the "bad" policies because they're going to hurt a lot. Actually I prefer if the democrats lose to one of the most disgusting American candidates of all time twice with two different candidates, than being forced to vote for a creepy rape man with mostly poo poo policy. I'm tired of the blatant corruption that goes on and as someone who has voted downticket blue since 2008 (since I've turned 18), I'm done participating blindly. Also, frankly, the establishment democrats have proven to be hardly any better than the maga folks. I don't want to hear about judge picks, cabinet picks, etc. There is NOTHING holding biden to any promise, we all know he isn't going to survive his first year in, he's almost certainly going to pick hillary as VP, and put some number of replublicans in his cabinet. his voter record is horrible on any issue I care about, and even when it comes to roe v wade I do not trust that he will appoint someone who would uphold it. I don't want a corpse of a spider waiting to be eaten by its' children in the forms of the pete buttigeigs (literally the worst candidate out of either side when it comes to minorities) of the world.
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May 2, 2020 18:48
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Tonetta posted:Actually I prefer if the democrats lose to one of the most disgusting American candidates of all time twice with two different candidates, than being forced to vote for a creepy rape man with mostly poo poo policy. I'm tired of the blatant corruption that goes on and as someone who has voted downticket blue since 2008 (since I've turned 18), I'm done participating blindly. Also, frankly, the establishment democrats have proven to be hardly any better than the maga folks. I don't want to hear about judge picks, cabinet picks, etc. There is NOTHING holding biden to any promise, we all know he isn't going to survive his first year in, he's almost certainly going to pick hillary as VP, and put some number of replublicans in his cabinet. his voter record is horrible on any issue I care about, and even when it comes to roe v wade I do not trust that he will appoint someone who would uphold it. I don't want a corpse of a spider waiting to be eaten by its' children in the forms of the pete buttigeigs (literally the worst candidate out of either side when it comes to minorities) of the world. You seen this thread? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3916038
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May 2, 2020 18:58
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Ershalim posted:You'd think that since voter suppression tactics typically favor republicans that the democrats themselves would support measures to diminish or alleviate the problems altogether (like ending felony disenfranchisement, making universal vote by mail required, pushing to make voting a federal holiday, etc.), but they don't push for those things collectively. Some (very, very few) do, but someone like Biden? Nah.
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May 2, 2020 18:59
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Gripweed posted:I'm not so sure. I don't see how they could drop Biden before the convention and still keep Bernie from the nomination short of straight up declaring that votes don't matter, they do what they like. Which they don't want to do because they want to maintain the facade of legitimacy. In places like CA they're already inferring that Bernie dropping out means his delegates go to whoever the Democrat Party wants (in a generalized sense). So they can easily just discount Bernie because "he quit the race but X person only suspended their campaign or didn't run in the first place so we're awarding them the delegates Biden earned."
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May 2, 2020 19:14
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TrixR4kids posted:Anyone that paid attention during the primary knows that the dems don’t care about fixing voter suppression or democracy for that matter. They love voter suppression. They get to ignore poor and minority voters while also getting to blame the GOP for it!
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May 2, 2020 19:15
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Mekchu posted:In places like CA they're already inferring that Bernie dropping out means his delegates go to whoever the Democrat Party wants (in a generalized sense). So they can easily just discount Bernie because "he quit the race but X person only suspended their campaign or didn't run in the first place so we're awarding them the delegates Biden earned." Andrew on OA goes into the rules in some depth, what the next options are etc. https://www.patreon.com/posts/oa382-bernie-was-36603893 You are correct, but there are a number of signs that this is unlikely.
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May 2, 2020 19:17
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BlueBlazer posted:Andrew on OA goes into the rules in some depth, what the next options are etc. https://www.patreon.com/posts/oa382-bernie-was-36603893 I mean my post was purely theoretical and hypothetical. One potential direction is that Biden steps down, but is able to convince his delegates to back say Pete or whoever which gives them more leverage than Bernardo Sanders.
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May 2, 2020 19:18
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Considering more than half the country won't even get to vote in the Primary, I think we're kind of throwing the rules out the window.
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May 2, 2020 19:22
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TrixR4kids posted:Anyone that paid attention during the primary knows that the dems don’t care about fixing voter suppression or democracy for that matter. Voter suppression and gerrymandering is like one of the few areas where dems are probably going to actually do something. Considering the way trump and the GOP have been rolling out various attempts at different voter suppression schemes (which will only get worse with support from the trump installed judiciary) it's pretty close to becoming a existential threat to keep their grift going for a lot of dems, and certainly a lot of the DNC leadership. They'll likely fight to keep that going. e: vv yeah, but voter suppression mostly targets minorities, who the dems need in a lot of places, and generally dems generally gerrymander to benefit dems Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 19:32 on May 2, 2020 |
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May 2, 2020 19:22
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Voter suppression and gerrymandering is like one of the few areas where dems are probably going to actually do something. Considering the way trump and the GOP have been rolling out various attempts at different voter suppression schemes (which will only get worse with support from the trump installed judiciary) it's pretty close to becoming a existential threat to keep their grift going for a lot of dems, and certainly a lot of the DNC leadership. They'll likely fight to keep that going. Gerrymandering isn't just a Republican thing, both sides do it pretty extensively. It's not going away.
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May 2, 2020 19:24
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SorePotato posted:Look if you're gonna call Joe Biden a rapist, just be honest about it. He is a pedophile with a breathtakingly long history of harassing, groping, sniffing, and assaulting girls and women. We will have to wait until the debates and Presidential Candidate Rape Trials to see if he or the president is the biggest rapist in the country Rapist in Chief
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May 2, 2020 19:30
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Gerrymandering means safe Dem seats which means that you don't have to give a poo poo about what your constituents want in order to get reelected so the Dem establishment has to love that poo poo.
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May 2, 2020 19:32
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Really quite amazing seeing claims that dems will address voter suppression while the dems are literally canceling primaries
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May 2, 2020 19:37
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Condiv posted:Really quite amazing seeing claims that dems will address voter suppression while the dems are literally canceling primaries It's the same kind of wish fulfillment fantasy most Trump supporters have, just for different things.
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May 2, 2020 19:39
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Mekchu posted:I mean my post was purely theoretical and hypothetical. One potential direction is that Biden steps down, but is able to convince his delegates to back say Pete or whoever which gives them more leverage than Bernardo Sanders. or even just the natural inclination of non-goon Biden delegates, no-to-little convincing needed
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