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The Ultimate Doge posted:Lol I wasn't claiming that. Orks are probably the least racist version of orcs But you did say they were of a lower socioeconomic class than gamers. Which still means that making fun of them is punching down
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sure is a whole lot of elf talk in here
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The Ultimate Doge posted:Fantasy is about making embodiments of deeply felt ideas people have. What part of this are you missing read a book that isn’t written by Ayn Rand or her Wheel of Time simp. Varinn posted:a huge part of colonialist-era scientific racism was classifying people as other species of human, to explain why they were just naturally predisposed to rape and violence, and had to be culled. “Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and pig-like faces with prominent lower canines that resemble a boar’s tusks.” didn’t know Africans looked like that. I would absolutely love to have boar tusks tbh.
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May 2, 2020 23:06
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Orcs? You mean like Chewbacca? 
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40k orks are a parody of lower-class english people which is why they're cool
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cool dance moves posted:Orcs? You mean like Chewbacca? no more like the gamorrean guards in jabbas palace 
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like outside of Varg, literally no far-righter compares any human to Orcs. There is literally no human culture on earth that’s like orcs. It sounds like someone just watched Bright on Netflix and went : "Oh I get it now! Orcs are brown people and elves are asians. It again falls on me, a vegan with an ironic mustache who grew up in a gated community, to save the minorities from this oppression."
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Gripweed posted:But you did say they were of a lower socioeconomic class than gamers. Which still means that making fun of them is punching down Punching down is good PawParole posted:read a book that isn’t written by Ayn Rand or her Wheel of Time simp. I've never read either of those
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Blood Bowl is a good tabletop game with a lot of lore.
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May 2, 2020 23:09
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Fantasy novels are about a dwarf fighting and killing a series of increasingly large monsters
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fairy meat is my favorite tabletop.
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PawParole posted:like outside of Varg, literally no far-righter compares any human to Orcs. There is literally no human culture on earth that’s like orcs. There've never been human cultures of raiders, who had lower levels of technology than the people they were raiding, and who were thought of by those people as ugly and savage?
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if half orcs or half elves can have children then its all just racism and there's no species distinction
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May 2, 2020 23:11
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PawParole posted:“Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and pig-like faces with prominent lower canines that resemble a boar’s tusks.” the point is that describing people like that is exactly what the british did when they were writing about the "lesser races", you dunce nobody is falling for your dumbass "whos the real racist here??" poo poo
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May 2, 2020 23:12
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The Ultimate Doge posted:There've never been human cultures of raiders, who had lower levels of technology than the people they were raiding, and who were thought of by those people as ugly and savage? the British East India Company?
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fermun posted:shadowrun has dwarves, elves, orks, and trolls in it as well as humans and the rules book has this helpful little tidbit of information: shadowrun rules
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PawParole posted:the British East India Company? You're almost there
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I'm with people on fantasy races being racist caricatures in some way, shape, or form, but I don't see how fantasy is inherently fascist. Granted, the genre has been (and largely still is) dominated by fascism and fascist adjacent ideologies, but I don't see how that means fantasy is facist.
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Serf posted:40k orks are a parody of lower-class english people which is why they're cool Orks were inspired by soccer hooligans, but they have a lot going on beyond that. Now Blood Bowl Halflings, those are just English people 
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May 2, 2020 23:18
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The Ultimate Doge posted:You're almost there enlighten me of the great Indian raid on blighty, where they nicked the brits sense of taste and took it back to Delhi. Varinn posted:the point is that describing people like that is exactly what the british did when they were writing about the "lesser races", you dunce it’s a description, your supposed to describe everything in a descriptive way. Look at the wiki page for humans
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May 2, 2020 23:18
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Talking about orks and racism reminded of Norf FC. That poo poo is so funny
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MizPiz posted:I'm with people on fantasy races being racist caricatures in some way, shape, or form, but I don't see how fantasy is inherently fascist. Granted, the genre has been (and largely still is) dominated by fascism and fascist adjacent ideologies, but I don't see how that means fantasy is facist. in the words of matt christman "all art is inherently reactionary"
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just play RIFTS TMNT
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every lovely fantasy book reads like this 
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Serf posted:the orc discourse
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Varinn posted:every lovely fantasy book reads like this the English are well-renowned for their ability to jerk themselves off in any medium at all times
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Serf posted:the orc discorc
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Apraxin posted:no, to the contrary I wonder if this lady devoted the whole of her obsessive energy somewhere else, she could probably get something slightly more consequential done like getting one of the more 20 subreddits that exist to teach Nazism to Minecraft-playing teenagers banned, instead of whatever this is.
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May 2, 2020 23:40
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PawParole posted:orcs are classist, not racist. Mordor and the Orcs represent the “New Industrilized England” and the factory working class, while the shire represents the old England of roast beef and rural living. orwell's the road to wigan pier, or my life among the orcs
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Is the orcs guy the same one who did the 'maybe you're the real racist if you see watto as a negative ethnic stereotype' posts or do podcast threads just attract a certain type
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May 2, 2020 23:45
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PawParole posted:the British East India Company? The EIC absolutely did not have lower levels of technology than the people they were raiding, the only real driver behind their success was "better guns, better at firing guns"
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The "orcs are a different species" defense doesn't really work since the idea that there are significant biological differences between races is still popular today, even among liberals. Zootopia is a good example of this
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Serf posted:in the words of matt christman "all art is inherently reactionary" That's just pablum
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The Ultimate Doge posted:There've never been human cultures of raiders, who had lower levels of technology than the people they were raiding, and who were thought of by those people as ugly and savage? did the romans think the goths were ugly?
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Mr. Lobe posted:did the romans think the goths were ugly? No, in fact they famously wanted a goth gf
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Cnidaria posted:The "orcs are a different species" defense doesn't really work since the idea that there are significant biological differences between races is still popular today, even among liberals. Zootopia is a good example of this ime biological racism is pretty easily debunkable in liberals, but they have an annoying tendency to just substitute some ineffable cultural factor for biology
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V. Illych L. posted:ime biological racism is pretty easily debunkable in liberals, but they have an annoying tendency to just substitute some ineffable cultural factor for biology it's more a proxy for class e.g. jd vance
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V. Illych L. posted:ime biological racism is pretty easily debunkable in liberals, but they have an annoying tendency to just substitute some ineffable cultural factor for biology oh yeah that's true and extremely annoying also just remembered that black people in the elder scrolls games are a different fantasy race than the white people which is yikes
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Cnidaria posted:oh yeah that's true and extremely annoying to be fair, so are Swedish people. the black people are "natural warriors" though. 
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