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Schwartzcough posted:I really like the, "I miss it. The steel sky." line too. Apparently in Japanese it was just, "I hate the sky", which seems like a way, way less poignant and meaningful line, honestly. That's quite an 'overwhelmingly negative' response.
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I don't think a Final Fantasy product has had this positive a response in the last 20 years.
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May 3, 2020 11:32
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You know, I'm not gonna defend the kids in chapter 8 or every detail of every side quest, but I'll say that the "merc work" in the first half does serve a good story purpose in that it establishes Cloud as a wandering ronin type like Zatoichi
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May 3, 2020 11:34
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I'm surprised there's a perception that fans are being particularly negative about the game because to me the online discourse doesn't seem too different from how it went for every FF game since like X and maybe that's just because I wasn't online for when any previous games were released. Maybe more positive than usual as I feel general consensus went from "Can't wait to see Square gently caress this one up" to "Wow, can't believe they pulled it off". Everything just seems par for the course.
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May 3, 2020 11:35
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stev posted:I don't think a Final Fantasy product has had this positive a response in the last 20 years. FFX had similar levels of hype and praise as this one, from what I remember.
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precision posted:FFX had similar levels of hype and praise as this one, from what I remember. Ok 19 years.
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May 3, 2020 11:45
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People like the MMOs....now.Zedsdeadbaby posted:dreamweaver is one of the best boss fights in all of video games What...what the gently caress...I know you played the game because you called it 'dream weaver'
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May 3, 2020 11:46
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stev posted:I don't think a Final Fantasy product has had this positive a response in the last 20 years. Yeah it's wild how much people are down with FF7R, even with the changes to the story and the hokey-rear end time ghosts. It only looks overwhelmingly negative if you seek out the controversy and hotbox the opinions you find (possibly because you agree with them and find reading and watching those takes personally validating which, tbf, is a pretty normal thing to do) and weren't there for the 13 trilogy, or 12, or 14 1.0.
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stev posted:I don't think a Final Fantasy product has had this positive a response in the last 20 years. Shadowbringers has nearly universal acclaim.
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The reception would probably be a lot worse if the combat wasn't this good.
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stev posted:Ok 19 years. what the gently caress
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May 3, 2020 11:52
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I don't think the reception to FF7R has been remotely controversial or mixed besides the usual "slap in the face" internet people you find in absolutely every medium. It's gotten great reviews and is an early candidate for GOTY shortlists.
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Mulva posted:Shadowbringers has nearly universal acclaim. All the good reception of FFXIV post ARR is balanced from 1.0.
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May 3, 2020 11:55
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The time ghosts won me over with the Hojo stage exit. It's so hilarious it works.
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May 3, 2020 12:55
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The ghosts just yeeting Hojo away when he's about to spoil the plot for Cloud was hilarious, how do people not love them
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I think I'm done arguing about the ending and the ghosts because it's the most massive headache in the world and actively souring an experience I otherwise enjoyed. Instead, the only debate I will engage in will be why Tifa is Best Girl.
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UnderFreddy posted:The ghosts just yeeting Hojo away when he's about to spoil the plot for Cloud was hilarious, how do people not love them Yeah that was a fun moment. Is there a breakdown of all the times the ghosts intervened to keep the plot on track? For the first half of the game they seemed to just be there to be generally spooky and gently caress poo poo up so I didn't pay too much attention to how they were changing/not changing things.
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I hope they rename Safer Sephiroth to OSHA-Compliant Sephiroth.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I'm surprised there's a perception that fans are being particularly negative about the game because to me the online discourse doesn't seem too different from how it went for every FF game since like X and maybe that's just because I wasn't online for when any previous games were released. Maybe more positive than usual as I feel general consensus went from "Can't wait to see Square gently caress this one up" to "Wow, can't believe they pulled it off". It's funny to watch a certain kind of fan's whiplash when people they've attached their ego to actually like the game.
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stev posted:Yeah that was a fun moment. Is there a breakdown of all the times the ghosts intervened to keep the plot on track? For the first half of the game they seemed to just be there to be generally spooky and gently caress poo poo up so I didn't pay too much attention to how they were changing/not changing things. https://twitter.com/istanleyff7/status/1256008237268078592 This twitter thread has all of them from the Ultimania
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Well that's handy! Cheers.
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That thread really helps highlight how limited in scope the Whisper's actually are as entities. They seem to have to physically confirm events are going the way they want them to be. And outside of physically interacting with events, they lack any ability one would assume "Guardians of Fate" would actually have. I also think the wording on the final Wedge incident is interesting, that their intervention was not because Wedge was alive, but because he was trying to intervene to help Barret. It gives the impression that if he'd just stayed at Elmyra's they would've left him alone.
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May 3, 2020 13:38
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Even Fate doesn't give a crap about Wedge 
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"... and that, children, is where the term 'wedgie' comes from."
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Beefstew posted:I think I'm done arguing about the ending and the ghosts because it's the most massive headache in the world and actively souring an experience I otherwise enjoyed. Only if you agree that Aerith and Tifa belong together
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Pollyanna posted:Only if you agree that Aerith and Tifa belong together Sorry but this is fanservice garbage because Aeris and Yuffie were MADE for each other c'mon it's so obvious people!!!
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exquisite tea posted:Sorry but this is fanservice garbage because Aeris and Yuffie were MADE for each other c'mon it's so obvious people!!! Aertrek 
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cock hero flux posted:Normally when he does his flying around poo poo in the original he melts through walls and disappears pretty quickly but in that one he really does just go "alright, later", bean cloud with a rock and then sedately hover off down the hallway. That's why I unironically love that scene.
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Onmi posted:That thread really helps highlight how limited in scope the Whisper's actually are as entities. They seem to have to physically confirm events are going the way they want them to be. And outside of physically interacting with events, they lack any ability one would assume "Guardians of Fate" would actually have. I also think the wording on the final Wedge incident is interesting, that their intervention was not because Wedge was alive, but because he was trying to intervene to help Barret. It gives the impression that if he'd just stayed at Elmyra's they would've left him alone. Which makes sense, since if he stayed there the party would have gone to Shinra HQ, did their thing, then get forced to flee and leave Midgar. Since Midgar becomes entirely irrelevant until the raid in late disc 2, Wedge surviving changes absolutely nothing. If the party managed to get on that helicopter, things would have instantly gone off rails, so the timecops made sure to take care of Wedge so he couldn't do anything else.
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Jim Sterling went into detail last week about the difference between false advertisement vs narrative subversion with Final Fantasy 7 being the catalyst: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk6YOdayoeg A good video. Honestly, I've seen some people disappointed with the ending but I don't think it comes out of left field at all and but for the most part it's been overwhelmingly positive and is introducing an entire new generation to characters for them to ship.
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Onmi posted:That thread really helps highlight how limited in scope the Whisper's actually are as entities. They seem to have to physically confirm events are going the way they want them to be. And outside of physically interacting with events, they lack any ability one would assume "Guardians of Fate" would actually have. I also think the wording on the final Wedge incident is interesting, that their intervention was not because Wedge was alive, but because he was trying to intervene to help Barret. It gives the impression that if he'd just stayed at Elmyra's they would've left him alone. Yeah, I think that's something that gets missed a lot when people talk about how the group killed Literally Fate or some sort of Actual God at the end of FF7R. They're basically a Weapon. They're not omniscient or omnipotent. They're a physical force with a pretty narrow area of influence: follow a specific group of people to push them down a specific path to the best of their ability. It actually seems like they might not have really existed at all prior to just a few days/weeks before FF7R begins, and they probably don't interact with anything other than major events that need to happen a certain way so the main characters do the FF7 things. They turn into a big monster thing at the end because they're combining together into one Weapon-like form. Red XIII describes them as "arbiters of fate" because he understands the planet's will as fate, and the Whispers enforce that will. That doesn't make them the literal physical manifestation of the cosmic force of destiny that is now gone from everywhere in the universe. They served what the planet sees as capital-D Destiny, yes, but they're still a physical thing right from the start, basically just anti-"poo poo's going wrong" antibodies. In fairness, I don't think the game communicates their relatively narrow scope all that well, and it's easy to see the characters talking about "fighting fate" and entering into a weird Whisper dimension and assume they're killing off an actual, metaphysical concept, but stepping back and looking at what the Whispers do and how they work, you can at least get an idea that they're a lot more fallible and limited in scope than they first appear.
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precision posted:Even Fate doesn't give a crap about Wedge Oh fate didn't forget about Wedge  .
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh fate didn't forget about Wedge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M15U22bWeas&t=30s
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Harrow posted:Yeah, I think that's something that gets missed a lot when people talk about how the group killed Literally Fate or some sort of Actual God at the end of FF7R. Framing them as a WEAPON makes sense because they're making sure things go as they did before to protect the planet. It was saved by the skin of the party's teeth, but they do seem to be running more on instinct here.
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BaDandy posted:Framing them as a WEAPON makes sense because they're making sure things go as they did before to protect the planet. Yeah, and acting on instinct makes me compare them even more to WEAPONs. In the original, the WEAPONs were spawned by the planet to kill Sephiroth and defend it from Meteor, but because the WEAPONs couldn't get to Sephiroth, they just start rampaging and attacking anything else that is a threat to the planet (hence the attacks on Junon and Midgar). And much like the Whispers, their instinct isn't wrong--Shinra is a threat to the planet--but it's somewhat misaimed in the moment, and they're destructive enough in going after their goal that it's understandable the humans want to fight back.
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Why didn't the party simply lure Sephiroth to Ruby weapon and kill two birds with one stone.
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stev posted:Why didn't the party simply lure Sephiroth to Ruby weapon and kill two birds with one stone. he had a dupe of the hades materia. evil sonuvabitch thought of everything
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stev posted:Why didn't the party simply lure Sephiroth to Ruby weapon and kill two birds with one stone. Because Sephiroth doesn't have any legs and can't leave the Northern Crater
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Onmi posted:Because Sephiroth doesn't have any legs and can't leave the Northern Crater Just get him a wheelchair
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