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D. Ebdrup posted:You stole that gimmick from the vikings ancient romans reading this thread: 
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Goddamned f****. So Belgian socialists introduced a legislative draft in Belgian federal parliament that would increase the time for people to pay their bills to 30 days (currently it's 20 days, at which point you get a reminder without additional cost, 10 days after the reminder you can get additional fees to 'motivate' you to pay). The law would only come into effect 5 months after being voted on. SO naturally the libs introduced an amendment, AND requested advice from the administrative courts on the amendment, postponing the draft by at least another month. "because we fear this will cause too many bankruptcies of small businesses" motherfucker assholes. libs are the *worst* double nine fucked around with this message at 13:01 on May 3, 2020 |
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May 3, 2020 12:57
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Is there actually any European country that has rolled something like unconditional basic income as we hear it from Canada? At the beginning of the crisis I heard a lot about governements taking over payroll for businesses that operate at reduced capacity, zero-interest loans, and the like. That gave me hope that European countries would get through this crisis with as little pain as possible. But last I heard was all about loving austerity again.
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May 3, 2020 13:00
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many euro nations have basically functioning social welfare systems, and those have dropped a lot of red tape, which means that there's not as much of a call for ubi-type policies
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May 3, 2020 13:09
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Lord Stimperor posted:Is there actually any European country that has rolled something like unconditional basic income as we hear it from Canada? At the beginning of the crisis I heard a lot about governements taking over payroll for businesses that operate at reduced capacity, zero-interest loans, and the like. That gave me hope that European countries would get through this crisis with as little pain as possible. But last I heard was all about loving austerity again. Spain is doing some kind of guaranteed minimum income.
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May 3, 2020 13:32
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V. Illych L. posted:many euro nations have basically functioning social welfare systems, and those have dropped a lot of red tape, which means that there's not as much of a call for ubi-type policies Yeah we already have sick and unemployment insurance systems so it's more about tuning up those than introducing any new solutions. Which incidentally is what all the EU-infighting is about. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden is blocking many economies easing them up to the necessary levels to avoid a US-style scenario.
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Owling Howl posted:Spain is doing some kind of guaranteed minimum income. This is just my impression, but I think Sanchez is dragging his feet on that one. It's all cool and good to be *seen* working towards a guaranteed minimum income for the gallery, but it remains to be seen whether he'll do it. If he hadnt had to have podemos in his government the idea would have never been spoken.
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Dawncloack posted:This is just my impression, but I think Sanchez is dragging his feet on that one. It's all cool and good to be *seen* working towards a guaranteed minimum income for the gallery, but it remains to be seen whether he'll do it. If he hadnt had to have podemos in his government the idea would have never been spoken. Sanchez is treading on thin ice at the moment, he needs to secure enough votes to extend again the state of alarm soon, there are several factions who are toying with the idea to torpedo the vote and end the lockdown forcibly, pushing this issue now is pretty inconvenient. Spain's politics are hosed up.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-stateaid-idUSKBN22D4ZZquote:While Germany makes up for about a quarter of the EU’s GDP, it accounts for some 52% of the total value of the emergency coronavirus state aid cleared so far, Commission data shows. Germania delenda est, IMO.
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May 3, 2020 17:31
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Angry Lobster posted:Sanchez is treading on thin ice at the moment, he needs to secure enough votes to extend again the state of alarm soon, there are several factions who are toying with the idea to torpedo the vote and end the lockdown forcibly, pushing this issue now is pretty inconvenient. Spain's politics are hosed up. Word. But in his own politics, let's not forget, he's a far-centerwinger.
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Cat Mattress posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-stateaid-idUSKBN22D4ZZ
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May 3, 2020 20:57
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A Buttery Pastry posted:An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It simple makes more sense to divert all corona relief funds to the least affected countries. The article isn't about funds being diverted. It's about the countries with more money spending that money for their own sake, because they are enabled by EU state aid rules being relaxed.
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Randler posted:The article isn't about funds being diverted. It's about the countries with more money spending that money for their own sake, because they are enabled by EU state aid rules being relaxed. While also doing everything they can to make sure that there will not be "coronabonds". I.e., it's FYGM as usual.
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May 3, 2020 22:00
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MiddleOne posted:Yeah we already have sick and unemployment insurance systems so it's more about tuning up those than introducing any new solutions. V. Illych L. posted:many euro nations have basically functioning social welfare systems, and those have dropped a lot of red tape, which means that there's not as much of a call for ubi-type policies Yeah, I know that the social and welfare systems are intended to provide a safety net in general. But as far as I know these benefits are either means-tested (welfare) or conditional (unemployment benefits). But conditional benefits won't cut it in my opinion. For instance, suppose you're living in a country that is governed by neoliberal shitheads. Corona is not actually under control, but the governement feels under pressure to re-open the economy. So they declare your industry open again. At this point you have to go back to work even when it's unsafe; if you refuse, you won't qualify for unemployment benefits anymore. Confronted with the possibility of not being able to pay rent, many people will go into work even if they don't think it's safe. I don't think I'm being overly cynical with this. As far as I know, some odd US states have pulled this exact maneuver. (Sadly, I also suspect that if a country instituted an unconditional income during the pandemic, the austerity knights would in the EU would oppose them as hard as possible because taking on debt for anything other than bailing out banks bad. The behavior of the Northern countries towards the Southern ones is not very promising) Owling Howl posted:Spain is doing some kind of guaranteed minimum income. Ah, thanks. I'll keep an eye out for this.
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May 3, 2020 22:09
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UBI is only ever going to happen as a means of totally shredding existing welfare systems, sorry about your market utopianism
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V. Illych L. posted:UBI is only ever going to happen as a means of totally shredding existing welfare systems, sorry about your market utopianism You sound like you're responding to me but I am not sure we are talking about the same topic?
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May 3, 2020 23:55
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maybe - i got the impression that you were pitching UBI as a way to address the deficiencies in present welfare arrangements in a time of crisis, with a reasoning that UBI (or idk mincome or whatever) would be better able to keep people from being forced back to work prematurely the issue here is that UBI would be exactly as politically vulnerable as present welfare systems and in practice would end up becoming means tested as the right whipped up their whole scroungers and cowards outrage machine. the actual way to keep society from being irresponsibly reopened is to build collective worker power in some form, and UBI schemes stand in direct opposition to that
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May 4, 2020 10:20
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so how big of a deal is this? And what is the expected ruling? The possibility that the ECB can formally be brought to heel by the supreme court of its most powerful member state is ... troubling. https://twitter.com/zeithistoriker/status/1257372345817317377
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May 4, 2020 20:39
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Blut posted:The more deadly second wave of the Spanish Flu pandemic didn't happen immediately that summer. It happened the following winter. I don't know how much heat and humidity reduce the r0 number, if you're going to call this "first wave" Corona, I'm in Morocco which went started heading to strict lock down fairly early compared to other places after they got their first case - our r0 is something around 1.8 right now and it's..well..hot and humid out. Though, the desert regions are getting fairly stable so this might have more to do with the dense populated areas like where I am (crowded neighborhood in Marrakech Medina) possibly being hot spots for spread. I don't know that the neighborhood I'm in is being particularly hit hard, but the Marrakech - Saafi region has around the highest in the country. Maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges..
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May 4, 2020 23:35
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unless you're a specialist, do not assume that anything is the case until there's a published review paper about the virus and its behaviour, all sorts of zany poo poo has been submitted atm and there's no real quality control
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May 4, 2020 23:38
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double nine posted:so how big of a deal is this? And what is the expected ruling? The possibility that the ECB can formally be brought to heel by the supreme court of its most powerful member state is ... troubling. Didn't this happen already once before? And if it works, how long until a country makes it unconstitutional for the ECB to not give it trillions of free no-strings-attached euros on request?
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https://twitter.com/henrikenderlein/status/1257619631721889792 https://twitter.com/henrikenderlein/status/1257619634653626369 https://twitter.com/henrikenderlein/status/1257619637635895298 https://twitter.com/henrikenderlein/status/1257619640697618432 not loving this. double nine fucked around with this message at 11:44 on May 5, 2020 |
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May 5, 2020 11:38
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Wellllllllllp
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May 5, 2020 12:24
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Europe. You gotta love it.
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ohhhhg keeeey....
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This is some nice 'bulletins for the imperial province' material
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V. Illych L. posted:maybe - i got the impression that you were pitching UBI as a way to address the deficiencies in present welfare arrangements in a time of crisis, with a reasoning that UBI (or idk mincome or whatever) would be better able to keep people from being forced back to work prematurely My comment wasn't so much aimed at UBI in general, but more specifically the necessity of a pandemic relief that is not means-tested or tied to other conditions. I lean towards skepticism on UBI in general. I suspect it'd cynically be used to consolidate and ultimate axes other forms of assistance, especially for groups that are vulnerable (people with disabilities, for instance). For the current pandemic I think an unconditional state relief of some kind is needed, otherwise there will be plenty of workers sent back to unsafe working conditions. Where I live, even when the lockdown was fresh, I saw only a dwindling minority of workers having gloves, let alone masks. Where protective equipment such as plexiglass barriers was used in shops, I saw people pushing them aside to get closer to cashiers. Postal workers do occassionally try contactless delivery, but not every customer is having that. This is a long tangent, but the gist of it is that I have no faith in employers protecting their employees. Cat Mattress posted:[lovely news] So much for European solidarity and having learned from crisis in the past. e: while reading those Twitter threads, I came across this cursed picture from 2017. Now you have to see it, too: https://twitter.com/MxSba/status/922763795952480256 Lord Stimperor fucked around with this message at 13:16 on May 5, 2020 |
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May 5, 2020 13:12
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Lord Stimperor posted:e: while reading those Twitter threads, I came across this cursed picture from 2017. Now you have to see it, too: Looks pretty Weiß to me.
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"one weird trick"? This is so goddamn stupid https://twitter.com/pdegrauwe/status/1257701558650888193
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Is there some article that nicely and concisely spears this lazy spendy southerners is the reason they can't hack it in the euro argument? I'm seeing it a lot around here and it would be nice to have a simple take down ready.
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God the Germans are so awful. In positive news, and positive news relating to the Dutch even more surprisingly: quote:France and the Netherlands have issued a joint call for tougher enforcement of environmental and labour standards in EU trade deals, saying the bloc needs to police the activities of countries granted preferential access to its market. https://www.ft.com/content/e14f082c-42e1-4bd8-ad68-54714b995dff This is very good news for the future. The EU can't force other regions to follow reasonable standards, but it can certainly use its massive trade weight to push them in that direction.
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I wonder if that is also driven by Brexit, ie a warning shot to Britain not to gently caress around with labor/environment laws.
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u brexit ukip it posted:I wonder if that is also driven by Brexit, ie a warning shot to Britain not to gently caress around with labor/environment laws. definitely. the EU-UK trade deal is going to be the first to include the Paris climate agreement as a clause, and the UK negotiators are not happy about it. https://www.ft.com/content/0f09f819-77b3-45d8-9ba3-76a3042c240c
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wasn't loving around with labour and environmental laws the entire point of brexit from a conservative standpoint
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V. Illych L. posted:wasn't loving around with labour and environmental laws the entire point of brexit from a conservative standpoint it was mostly the racism
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Cerv posted:definitely. Thats just so very in-character. Brexiters are so slimy. "Of course we're going to stick to the Paris agreement. We're absolutely committed to tackling climate change”" [...] "Why don't we all agree to put that in a legally binding commitment you say? OH no, absolutely not, don't be ridiculous".
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May 7, 2020 12:08
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yeah those guys' phony indignation at not being trusted to do things outside of a binding agreement is how you know they're on the side of the owners and bosses
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May 7, 2020 12:18
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I know I always get very mad when someone puts in writing something I was fully intending to do anyway.
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May 7, 2020 13:01
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Just like when I was about to clean my room and then mom comes in and tells me to do it and now I don’t want to do it but i tell her i’ll do it
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Cerv posted:definitely. "Those pesky EU bureaucrats, how dare they strangle our glorious sovereignty with more burdesome regulations"
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