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SUNKOS posted:Apparently Druckmann had people watching snuff videos as research. Don't know if true or not, it came up in conversation at ResetEra but is pretty https://kotaku.com/the-last-of-us-part-ii-s-violence-is-designed-to-be-rep-1826781044 quote:“We’re making a game about the cycle of violence and we’re making a statement about violent actions and the impact they have on the character that’s committing them and on the people close to them,” he said. “And our whole approach is to say, ‘We want to treat this as realistically as possible.’ When you stab someone—if you watch reference videos, which we have, it’s gross and it’s messy and it’s not sanitized like you see in most movies and games. And we wanted to get the player to feel that.” Neil Druckmann forcing his employees to watch ISIS beheading videos while he meditates in a zen garden
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Bonaventure posted:https://kotaku.com/the-last-of-us-part-ii-s-violence-is-designed-to-be-rep-1826781044 This is exactly why I think the game's depictions of violence are going to be gratuitous as hell. NPCs and enemies getting brutalized isn't sanitized, but whenever the player character is attacked it is sanitized. Watch the E3 trailer that has Ellie stealthing around for 10 minutes. She gets shot with a rifle, stabbed (I think), thrown through plate glass, and hit at full force with a gigantic hammer. At most you get a brief animation of her reacting to these injuries and some wincing from the voice actor, then she's right back to running full speed, hopping over cover, firing arrows, etc. The game isn't committed to having violence even semi-realistically impact the player character so the whole thing comes across as a gross power fantasy.
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From PS4 thread:Rinkles posted:https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1256893468263305216?s=21
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Bonaventure posted:https://kotaku.com/the-last-of-us-part-ii-s-violence-is-designed-to-be-rep-1826781044 Wanting your video game to be more realistic and gritty in it's violence and gore is the most sheltered white privilege poo poo. Actually that's not true. Making your employees watch that traumatizing poo poo in order to make your meaningless video game is.
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:Wanting your video game to be more realistic and gritty in it's violence and gore is the most sheltered white privilege poo poo. loving kids and their loving video games, GET A REAL JOB LOSERS!
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SUNKOS posted:Can't speak for anyone else but for me personally gender is irrelevant and I'm wondering how anyone can have that physique in the world of TLOU. No other character is built like that and it makes sense as to why, there's very limited supplies that people literally scavenge for and the only bulk you see is from protective armor being worn. Aside from that we don't see any buff characters which makes a lot of sense, and in some cases (David and his crew that turned to cannibalism) you can see how gaunt they are. practically every guy in tlou is hollywood buff which, despite how normal it seems to us because of movies, is actually insanely buff Ham posted:loving kids and their loving video games, GET A REAL JOB LOSERS! no one should have to watch irl gore videos to make a video game
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Stux posted:no one should have to watch irl gore videos to make a video game The same logic would then apply to movies that try to make a statement through violence, no? It's not strictly a videogame thing.
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Stux posted:practically every guy in tlou is hollywood buff which, despite how normal it seems to us because of movies, is actually insanely buff Ok, but none of them are the loving Rock or John Cena, right?
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MJBuddy posted:Ok, but none of them are the loving Rock or John Cena, right? Ham posted:Oh, okay!
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lol, it owns that ~gritty realism~ extends only as far as lovingly handcrafted execution animations. the influence of isis videos really shows as you mash square to strangle ellie.
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Neil is expanding the possibilities of video game storytelling by showing me a snuff film while I press F to Pay Respects. Really makes me question world view.
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Ah yes, the notoriously not at all story-focused The Last of Us where I shoot random man-shaped pixels with no rhyme or reason.
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I'd say that would have to be some sort of HR nightmare to force your employees to watch snuff videos but lol this is america employees have no rights
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MJBuddy posted:Yeah, I mean, that's not John Cena. Running out of space for these goalposts. Also for all the myopic bullshit about not being able to make a statement through violence in art, Irreversible (the film) is one of the most effective and heartbraking films tackling rape in existence. Its visceral and realistic depiction of the act, its effects and its aftermath is the most effective way I've yet seen to communicate to people how traumatic such an event is. So yes, violence in art can and does send a message - and a rejection of that because "lol videogames serious business" is facile when its the most interactive storytelling medium there is.
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Ham posted:Oh, okay! more *clap* women *clap* killers *clap*  Inf Edit: Don't link to leaked content (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 14:05 on May 4, 2020 |
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Lol that screenshot reminds me of how completely uninterested in playing this I am now. Though, more interested to see people play it and what they end up thinking about all of it. props to ND for being brave enough to remind people that if a woman is strong and independent she’s gonna get the poo poo beaten out of her. Truly inspired timing coming up too. Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 18:52 on May 3, 2020 |
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Ham posted:Running out of space for these goalposts. The violence in TLOU is mandatory and required to be fun in order to keep the player engaged for 10+ hours. This reduces the effectiveness of any message of non-violence. I honestly cannot think of a good movie that tries to be as fun as possible while showing realistic depictions of trauma.
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Ham posted:Running out of space for these goalposts. lol 1:30 hours of awful things happening to people with detailed rape and violence to say "rape is bad". really makes you think
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MJBuddy posted:Yeah, I mean, that's not John Cena. You've moved the goalposts pretty far there. "This character is not literally John Cena so they are entirely plausible and 100% realistic for the post-apocalypse."
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if this were a game about a cult of body builders I'd be on board in an instant basically make the main bad guys pillar men and have them fight with their fists only
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Zeta Acosta posted:lol 1:30 hours of awful things happening to people with detailed rape and violence to say "rape is bad". really makes you think You say that as if the US doesn't have a significant part of its politicians and right-leaning folks downplaying rape and its effects all the time. Sound like a 90 minutes well-spent there doesn't it? But maybe everyone is as enlightened as Zeta Acosta afterall. Sudden Loud Noise posted:The violence in TLOU is mandatory and required to be fun in order to keep the player engaged for 10+ hours. This reduces the effectiveness of any message of non-violence. This is a good argument and I'm interested in seeing how they balance that out in the game itself. I can't be sure this is what the game is going for or if it will succeed over the 20-25 hours, but it seems to me like it's trying to follow in something like Spec Ops' depiction of war and violence - trying to turn you off from it by making you face your actions. Juxtapose this against something like the Mortal Kombat executions which also involve snuff film research but entirely for shlock and "cool" purposes - you can see how the intent differs wildly there. MK Fatality poo poo -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqaSMcxNHM
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ImpAtom posted:You've moved the goalposts pretty far there. "This character is not literally John Cena so they are entirely plausible and 100% realistic for the post-apocalypse." That guys about as built as the (fittest) folks at my local gym. It's impressive. It's not world competitive bodybuilder. It's not normal within the range of physiques the game has presented - especially for the female characters they've presented. That doesn't mean anything other than it probably means something. Characters, and especially protagonists, don't accidently become huge outliers. So like, we'll see what they have planned for that? I'm afraid it's just going to be "every time I got mad I lifted a weight, and my strength is an embodiment of my anger" but beyond that I'm fine waiting to actually see the story they want to tell.
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Shes a christian cultist or something right, maybe she goes to the Lord’s Gym
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Ham posted:You say that as if the US doesn't have a significant part of its politicians and right-leaning folks downplaying rape and its effects all the time. Sound like a 90 minutes well-spent there doesn't it? if they didn't think rape was bad before I highly doubt a 90 minute snuff film would change their minds
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lets show a man beating another to death with a fire extinguisher, what themes gaspar noe is trying to convey here? i dont get it
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CharlestonJew posted:if they didn't think rape was bad before I highly doubt a 90 minute snuff film would change their minds Not to try to defend the other one's point, and not trying either to say that Neil Drukman isn't high on his own farts, but it's good to remember regularly that bad things are bad, and, for example, a little Come And See, or Night And Fog if you're not feeling too fictional, helps reinforce the proper feelings one should have towards nazis.
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Peacoffee posted:Shes a christian cultist or something right, maybe she goes to the Lord’s Gym Taking the "My body is my temple" mantra to extremes
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Ham posted:The same logic would then apply to movies that try to make a statement through violence, no? It's not strictly a videogame thing. yes no one should have to watch real actual gore to make violent media MJBuddy posted:That guys about as built as the (fittest) folks at my local gym. It's impressive. It's not world competitive bodybuilder. how much exercise and calories do you think the fittest guy at your gym require to maintain? we never question insanely fit and buff guys in these settings because its normalised because every actor in an action film or game is extremely fit by default.
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Cnidaria posted:if this were a game about a cult of body builders I'd be on board in an instant Have you played LISA?  CharlestonJew posted:I'd say that would have to be some sort of HR nightmare to force your employees to watch snuff videos but lol this is america employees have no rights I'm sure ND would never make employees watch snuff videos. Contractors, on the other hand. Now we're talking!  Zeta Acosta posted:lol 1:30 hours of awful things happening to people with detailed rape and violence to say "rape is bad". really makes you think So you're saying things like movies with an anti-war message are dumb because everyone knows war is bad? Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 19:41 on May 3, 2020 |
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Look guys, it has nothing to do with Abby being female, now read these six paragraphs about how unrealistic Abby is
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Didn't the first last of us sell DLC executions, lol
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Stux posted:yes no one should have to watch real actual gore to make violent media That's their own creative prerogative really.
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Stux posted:yes no one should have to watch real actual gore to make violent media If you're having to do research on how gore looks, so would 90% of your audience. Meaning you can fake it and the impact would be the same since what matters is how it's presented not how mechanically accurate it is. Like the research they should have been doing is talking to film effects guys for tips.
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Ham posted:That's their own creative prerogative really. Just like crunch is their creative prerogative.
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Cuntellectual posted:Didn't the first last of us sell DLC executions, lol Yes. Getting all the ones in this video would be $10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE1YtrIRZuc
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