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Fritz the Horse posted:Just had a very cool conversation with my mom where she reasoned that #MeToo has gone too far and we should reconsider it, maybe we are holding politicians to too high of a standard. #MeToo forced Franken out but what he did was pretty minor, meanwhile we didn't succeed in stopping Kavanaugh's confirmation.
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Chuds: Watch out cops! You're standing in the way of are freedumbs! Also Chuds: Blue lives matter!
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May 3, 2020 20:44
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SocketWrench posted:I am shocked...SHOCKED that this program didn't work out. I am in total amazement If only there was an example of a program meant to solve these issues that works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-time_working Of course the goal isn't to solve these issues, but to shovel money into your own pockets.
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May 3, 2020 20:54
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden is the final victory of Trumpism, said it once, I'll say it again, no matter how this election ends. I never thought about it that way. Regardless of if Biden wins or loses a rapist is going to be president and the poor are going to be even worse off. Stupid grifters will be running the country with the goal of making the rich even more rich and powerful all the while spreading american imperialism around the world like Covid-19 through an Oregonian nursing home. We are pretty well hosed either way when climate change really hits especially because with either choice we are choosing not to do much of anything but let wealth people gather up and hoard the resources while the rest of us stand around looking like morons trying to figure out what sex pest is least bad.
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May 3, 2020 20:55
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not surprised. graham is doubly down stupidly hard to kiss trumps rear end and that pisses away anyone that isnt a chud. plus its clear to anyone now that he is an empty dead eyed gently caress.
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May 3, 2020 20:55
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Wilbur Swain posted:Thank you, mr "president" Look at all those economically anxious people
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May 3, 2020 20:57
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden is the final victory of Trumpism, said it once, I'll say it again, no matter how this election ends. Trump is the victory of Trumpism, Biden is like Trump only in that he's a result of our society.
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May 3, 2020 21:00
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden is the final victory of Trumpism, said it once, I'll say it again, no matter how this election ends. I don't think I agree that the final victory of Trumpism is Trump losing.
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May 3, 2020 21:03
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Wilbur Swain posted:Thank you, mr "president" This is loving stupid. The boater voting block.
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May 3, 2020 21:07
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Push El Burrito posted:If they were black there would have already been tear gas in that crowd. And over the next 3 months all the organizers will be randomly shot around town in mysterious circumstances. That's really the key part E: https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-activist-deaths-black-lives-matter-20190317-story.html
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May 3, 2020 21:11
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olylifter posted:Unexpected Zevon on a sunday afternoon here in the USPOL thread. Helped make me smile after taking our dog out, while masked, to see at least 50 people out and about, well over half of them with no face covering. Currently in impotent rage spiral.
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TwoDeer posted:Helped make me smile after taking our dog out, while masked, to see at least 50 people out and about, well over half of them with no face covering. Currently in impotent rage spiral. I had some guy give me the finger for wearing a mask yesterday. It’s getting absorbed into the tedious reactionary culture war.
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May 3, 2020 21:12
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I had some guy give me the finger for wearing a mask yesterday. It’s getting absorbed into the tedious reactionary culture war. Cough on them next time.
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RBA Starblade posted:Cough on them next time.  (may not result in the person being reduced to a skeleton)
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RBA Starblade posted:Cough on them next time. That's a terroristic threat. They'll be quick to report it I promise you.
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Taerkar posted:That's a terroristic threat. They'll be quick to report it I promise you. The first time someone coughs on a cop as a joke or because they were just coughing for real, there will be a massacre.
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May 3, 2020 21:18
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Wilbur Swain posted:Thank you, mr "president" this confirms my assumption that anyone who can afford a cabin and or a big new boat like that must be a boomer chud
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May 3, 2020 21:23
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RBA Starblade posted:I don't think I agree that the final victory of Trumpism is Trump losing. The fact that the dems are falling behind a loving sex monster and pulling out Kavanagh defenses for him? That's a pretty big sign of the damage he did becoming permanent. It's also reference to a thatcher quote on Blair.
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May 3, 2020 21:24
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StratGoatCom posted:The fact that the dems are falling behind a loving sex monster and pulling out Kavanagh defenses for him? That's a pretty big sign of the damage he did becoming permanent. Uh technically then it would be the final victory of Clintonism since he was Democratic Sexmonster number 1(or maybe that was JFK)  Also to hell with what Margaret Thatcher thinks.
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That the Tories managed to turn the labour party into a lesser version of themselves is an undeniable victory.quote:I never thought about it that way. Regardless of if Biden wins or loses a rapist is going to be president and the poor are going to be even worse off. Stupid grifters will be running the country with the goal of making the rich even more rich and powerful all the while spreading american imperialism around the world like Covid-19 through an Oregonian nursing home. We are pretty well hosed either way when climate change really hits especially because with either choice we are choosing not to do much of anything but let wealth people gather up and hoard the resources while the rest of us stand around looking like morons trying to figure out what sex pest is least bad. The same is happening here
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Angry_Ed posted:Uh technically then it would be the final victory of Clintonism since he was Democratic Sexmonster number 1(or maybe that was JFK) I believe that would be Jefferson, actually.
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Angry_Ed posted:Uh technically then it would be the final victory of Clintonism since he was Democratic Sexmonster number 1(or maybe that was JFK) Hopefully she's down there with her thoughts
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May 3, 2020 21:30
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evilweasel posted:I believe that would be Jefferson, actually. Mmm, fair point. StratGoatCom posted:That the Tories managed to turn the labour party into a lesser version of themselves is an undeniable victory. It already happened here in 1992 so  And I really don't ever hold stock in defeated opponents going "well you see actually we won because x,y, z"
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Angry_Ed posted:And I really don't ever hold stock in defeated opponents going "well you see actually we won because x,y, z" I don't know if the Dems are going to win the White House and/or the Senate, but it seems like they're doing absolutely everything they can to lose on all levels. And I'm not just talking about Biden.
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May 3, 2020 21:38
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StratGoatCom posted:Biden is the final victory of Trumpism, said it once, I'll say it again, no matter how this election ends. trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1257041820124680192 lol. this loving gaslighting bullshit.
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evilweasel posted:trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point. I'm reminded of one of the seminal studies on cults where they observed a doomsday cult before and after the day they predicted the world would end. Turns out that while a few left disillusioned, most just found ways to interpret the world not ending as actually greater evidence than ever that the world was going to end
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evilweasel posted:trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point. i think trumps probably gonna lose this election. obviously its early and stuff but trumps is being his own worst enemy especially during a loving plague that he clearly wants to pretend is over. plus a bunch of other reasons. i could be very wrong, but that hell bridge we will cross when we get there.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm reminded of one of the seminal studies on cults where they observed a doomsday cult before and after the day they predicted the world would end. Turns out that while a few left disillusioned, most just found ways to interpret the world not ending as actually greater evidence than ever that the world was going to end I love the work that's been done by Festinger (and the people who followed after him) on the subject of failed prophecy. There's a book "When Prophecy Fails" that details the Seekers published in 1956, and it's wild. If I remember it right, he chalked it up to a combination of the sunk cost fallacy and cognitive dissonance; but yeah, it's a well-documented thing that unthinking adherence at great material cost only becomes stronger when it's legit proven wrong. e: messed up the date. Oops
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evilweasel posted:trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point. I think they mean Biden’s nomination. And they are correct. Having Dems spend 4years decrying Trump as a senile rapist then watching them go Russian conspiracy theory over their nom’s own cognitive decline and credible rape history is just recursive  at this point.Normalizing trumps behavior by nominating Centrist Trump is pretty amazing.
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StratGoatCom posted:That the Tories managed to turn the labour party into a lesser version of themselves is an undeniable victory. I typed up something similar in the Covid thread and deleted it because I was getting too depressed writing it. At this point it's become pretty clear that even though this pandemic has presented us with the best chance to change society for the better and offer a way out of consumer-based capitalism running all our lives, it's going to be a wasted opportunity and we all just continue to adapt to shittier and shittier lives while the wealthy remain somewhat insulated. This situation will be reflected on the macro level as the effects of climate change worsen, until we all just numbly accept that waves of refugees getting gunned down on the border and poor people dying in the street is normal. And I bet if anyone's still posting here someone will be sure to chime in about how humanity is "adapting" and "this isn't an apocalypse clearly, as people still buy things with some sort of currency."
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Data Graham posted:Of course I have to ask because I feel like this is something that probably has been wildly distorted by our education system — when we think about "bread lines in the USSR" or "bare supermarket shelves in Cuba", how frequent were those even? Were those, maybe, extraordinary circumstances or crises in their own right? Nope, those things were actually happening. The Soviet Union went through the "Era of Stagnation" in the 1970s and early 1980s, as called out by Gorbachev himself. Even the Soviet press, following Gorbachev's Perestrokia reforms, began reporting on the shortages. Whether due to a shift from consumer production to armament production, because Brezhnev and his successors were more interested in stability and doctrine than in addressing fundamental issues in the command structure, or the inherent flaws of a command structure economy, the Soviet Union moved from being an exporter nation in the '60's to being an importer nation in the '80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Stagnation This led to two things: food shortages and basic consumer good shortages, and the rise of a massive "grey market" where people would trade the goods that the government provided (or that they embezzled from work) in exchange for goods smuggled in from the West (or other goods embezzled from work). This wasn't even necessarily a goods exchange; you might be a mechanical engineer who has been official assigned to a factory which doesn't actually have work for you to do (because of shortages elsewhere and because the government wants full employment) so the manager has you go work for a local Politburo official and service his cars in exchange for no one getting in trouble for not meeting quota, or in exchange for the official looking the other way when some of the factory parts go missing. http://chnm.gmu.edu/1989/items/show/182 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_economy_of_the_Soviet_Union It's estimated that nearly a third of Soviet household income in the late 70's came from the grey economy or "second economy." Organized crime didn't show up in Russia and other Soviet states post-1990 - they largely ran the grey economy and just expanded operations once the Soviet Union collapsed. https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1993-900-03-Treml.pdf - pages 2-3 Here's an article from The Atlantic in 1990 of someone writing about his visit to the Soviet Union, the second section - An Evening Meal - talks about the shortages and lines. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1990/06/inside-the-collapsing-soviet-economy/303870/ The lines and shortages were much worse in the late 80s - part of why Gorbachev was desperately trying to reform the system, and why it ended up collapsing in 1990 - but they were around for the 70s and early 80s as well - here's a 1982 New York Times article about shortages. https://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/15/world/soviet-food-shortages-grumbling-and-excuses.html Edit: Soviet joke from the '70s: quote:There is a 10 year wait for getting your own car, and you have to put up the money in advance. One man laid down the money, and the fellow in charge said to him: “Come back in 10 years and get your car." skeleton warrior fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 3, 2020 |
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evilweasel posted:trump getting defeated by the vp of the previous president is stretching the definition of a trump victory beyond its breaking point. A lot of people, Trumpist or no, have managed to buy into Trump being a 4 dimensional godking whose Orange Path will dictate the course of humanity for millennia.
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LeeMajors posted:I think they mean Biden’s nomination. And they are correct. Precisely, and there's no way to avoid the fact that Biden is only viable because of this, and the party pulling fuckery, as he would have imploded as he has multiple times before without it.
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DrNutt posted:I typed up something similar in the Covid thread and deleted it because I was getting too depressed writing it. At this point it's become pretty clear that even though this pandemic has presented us with the best chance to change society for the better and offer a way out of consumer-based capitalism running all our lives, it's going to be a wasted opportunity and we all just continue to adapt to shittier and shittier lives while the wealthy remain somewhat insulated. This situation will be reflected on the macro level as the effects of climate change worsen, until we all just numbly accept that waves of refugees getting gunned down on the border and poor people dying in the street is normal. And I bet if anyone's still posting here someone will be sure to chime in about how humanity is "adapting" and "this isn't an apocalypse clearly, as people still buy things with some sort of currency."
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StratGoatCom posted:Precisely, and there's no way to avoid the fact that Biden is only viable because of this, and the party pulling fuckery, as he would have imploded as he has multiple times before without it. this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss Biden had a massive lead throughout all aspects of the primary except the short period between Iowa and Sputh Carolina. Bernie lost fair and square and these narratives that actually biden is just a continuation of trump is nonsense hardcore berners needed to try and pretend was true to dislodge the massively popular former vp and wound up believing their own propaganda.
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We've talked about the mass dropout before, evilweasel.
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evilweasel posted:this is a nonsense narrative that “bend the knee!!!” berniebros have talked themselves into to explain away their loss This doesn't at all address their point about the effects of Dems throwing their weight behind this guy, it's just trying to shift the topic back to something you feel you can score points against forums "Bros" with. E: vvv sorry for presuming! Papercut fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 3, 2020 |
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Papercut posted:This doesn't at all address his point about the effects of Dems throwing their weight behind this guy, it's just trying to shift the topic back to something you feel you can score points against forums "Bros" with. Them, but correct.
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