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hooah posted:I'm confused here. I've self-identified as a liberal/Democrat my whole adult life, and I've never heard this kind of stuff (beyond the "humans are rational actors" bit) from anyone I've considered liberal. Have I just been using the term "liberal" because (before 2016) I wasn't aware of further-left labels? In my experience liberals (like the vast majority of people - this isn't really specific to liberals) don't really have consistent beliefs, and how consistent they are with things like this can vary depending upon the topic. If directly asked, most would usually say that (for example) you should help the poor. But if the topic was something like poor people in rural areas, their opinion frequently changes to "it's their own fault for not moving and getting different skills." And even if they don't think all rich are deserving of their wealth, they usually have contradictory beliefs where they'll believe that some rich people are deserving, or that some poor people deserve being poor for being personally dislikable in some way. My interpretation of it is that most liberals (and probably most conservatives too, actually) know that "it's good to help the poor" or "many people become rich who don't deserve it" are beliefs that sound and feel morally correct, but they don't fully emotionally buy into it and will frequently express opinions that directly contradict those ideas when exposed to certain things (like a rich person they like or a poor person they dislike). Also, I've anecdotally seen some pretty alarming things fairly frequently. I may have mentioned this in an earlier post, but I've very frequently seen liberals express opinions along the lines of "you shouldn't be able to vote unless you can pass some basic quiz." The people themselves probably don't realize the implications of what they're saying. To them, it's just wanting voters to be informed, but that ends up leading them to the incredibly right-wing position of supporting poll tests. All of this being said, the vast majority of people in the US, both liberals and conservatives, are very malleable ideologically and would believe good things if the media and culture of the US had that kind of messaging. So I'm not saying these are all bad people; they're just the normal result of people living in the USA and being exposed to its media and culture. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:This is getting into the realm of people rather than ideology, which was the distinction I was trying to draw. If your suggestion is that a lot of liberals are just embarrassed fascists, I can't say I disagree, but it's not really germane to the rest of my post and if anything supports the point I was trying to make. I feel like the line between liberalism and fascism is very blurry if someone believes the Republican Party to be fascist. If you define fascism by things like bigotry and oppression, there's no fundamental distinction between liberals and that. If you define it as something that requires forcible and explicit exclusion of opposing ideology from politics + authoritarianism, either the Republicans don't count as fascist or both liberals and Republicans do count (depending upon how much you consider a country like the US to actually be meaningfully democratic). So while I think you could draw a distinction between liberalism and fascism as political philosophies, I don't think that distinction has any relationship to US politics. The line between "authoritarianism" and "a government requiring consent" is very blurry and the reality of the US government doesn't entirely fit into either category.
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BioMe posted:They hyped up how incredibly uniquely evil Trump is precisely to push that bar as low as possible. And still they fail to clear it. The reason that the Democrats keep hyping up Trump as the evil super villain is because they need a reason for you to vote for them, otherwise you might realize that they're nearly identical to the Republicans.
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hooah posted:I'm confused here. I've self-identified as a liberal/Democrat my whole adult life, and I've never heard this kind of stuff (beyond the "humans are rational actors" bit) from anyone I've considered liberal. Have I just been using the term "liberal" because (before 2016) I wasn't aware of further-left labels? The way liberal is being used in this thread here is much closer to Neoliberalism than liberalism.
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Araenna posted:We're here, and we're listening. And we're remembering for future reference. Scientist Al Gore posted:The way liberal is being used in this thread here is much closer to Neoliberalism than liberalism. Please define the distinction you would like to see drawn. E: Like, if this distinction actually matters you should be able to explicitly clear it up for us. Somfin fucked around with this message at 05:21 on May 4, 2020 |
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Is he actually the least popular president in modern history? He's the most popular within his own party since it has been tracked, so I think the most you could say is that he is the most divisive or whatever Dems loathe and revile him for the most part, even if it is almost exclusively on aesthetic grounds, but they did in 2016 too and what did that end up mattering?
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like the line between liberalism and fascism is very blurry if someone believes the Republican Party to be fascist. If you define fascism by things like bigotry and oppression, there's no fundamental distinction between liberals and that. If you define it as something that requires forcible and explicit exclusion of opposing ideology from politics + authoritarianism, either the Republicans don't count as fascist or both liberals and Republicans do count (depending upon how much you consider a country like the US to actually be meaningfully democratic).
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Maybe this is still the lib in me talking, but I think white nationalism gets a much warmer welcome from the GOP than it does from the Democrats Explicit, open stuff, sure. But the Democrats have always been big on  and open white nationalism tends to produce the antithesis of . You'll notice that almost every Democrat who has voiced open opposition to white nationalism did so in the context of those photos coming out of Charlottesville, not in the context of white nationalism still existing in America. They're fine with that.Same issue with Al Franken- it was the photos of him groping women that they opposed and that riled up the base. No idea why Joe Biden being a gropey creep with children hasn't drawn more ire. Somfin fucked around with this message at 05:27 on May 4, 2020 |
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like the line between liberalism and fascism is very blurry if someone believes the Republican Party to be fascist. If you define fascism by things like bigotry and oppression, there's no fundamental distinction between liberals and that. If you define it as something that requires forcible and explicit exclusion of opposing ideology from politics + authoritarianism, either the Republicans don't count as fascist or both liberals and Republicans do count (depending upon how much you consider a country like the US to actually be meaningfully democratic). You know, I've been thinking about this a lot over the past week after getting into some heated arguments with self-professed liberals, and now I'm not really entirely certain; is there a truly meaningful difference between fascism and the form that the American government takes today, or indeed has taken for a long time now?
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Pussy Cartel posted:You know, I've been thinking about this a lot over the past week after getting into some heated arguments with self-professed liberals, and now I'm not really entirely certain; is there a truly meaningful difference between fascism and the form that the American government takes today, or indeed has taken for a long time now? There's an I, Robot story that deals with the idea of one of the Three Laws of Robotics being compromised. The first of the three laws is "A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm." A facility in space is processing radioactive material; the humans inside are frequently exposed to fairly low-level radiation, which is technically harmful to humans but immediately destroys delicate robotic brains. The robots see the humans exposing themselves to radiation, charge into the work area, fry their brains, and have to be scrapped, and the company is losing money on replacements. So, they order a new, updated version of the robot, one with a more generous first law: "A robot may not injure a human being." The researcher assigned to the station realises, almost immediately, that this compromised first law allows the robot to absolutely get away with murder. After all, a robot can already freely drop a multiple-ton object while physically above a human, knowing that it is able to catch that object and prevent the human from coming to harm. All this robot would need to do is drop the object with that knowledge intact, then blink, reassess the situation as if from new, see the falling object and the human below it, and decide not to prevent the harm that is now about to occur. You will notice that this is technically not that specific robot performing that specific killing of that specific person; it is merely the robot setting up a situation in which that person will definitely die if it is set in motion and the robot does not stop it, and then setting it in motion, and then not stopping it. You will notice that it is also, very clearly, that robot murdering that person. I think about this story a lot when people want to split hairs about fascism or police violence or racism, vs enabling and not preventing those things.
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Epic High Five posted:Is he actually the least popular president in modern history? He's the most popular within his own party since it has been tracked, so I think the most you could say is that he is the most divisive or whatever Someone said that the pandemic is gonna be the big thing, not because of the administration's fuckups, but because it would limit campaign rallies, which are very good for trump and very bad for biden.
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Bushiz posted:Someone said that the pandemic is gonna be the big thing, not because of the administration's fuckups, but because it would limit campaign rallies, which are very good for trump and very bad for biden. Trump isn't wanting for exposure, I wouldn't worry about that. I think a lack of in person hurts Biden more because he's so insanely bad about online stuff. Like the events he has that actually get advertised get fewer viewers than a Hasan twitch stream lol, and those are the centerpiece of his public facing outreach
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A4R8 posted:And what do you know, it was the communists who warned us about the origins of this type of fascism back in the 30s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_fascism “Because it stood in the way of a dictatorship of the proletariat.” Thanks for making my point.
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Bushiz posted:Someone said that the pandemic is gonna be the big thing, not because of the administration's fuckups, but because it would limit campaign rallies, which are very good for trump and very bad for biden. Well that depends. Since several Pro Trump states are reopening early, a la Amittyville beaches in Jaws, the resulting causalities will disabuse the moronic masses of their false god.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:“Because it stood in the way of a dictatorship of the proletariat.” That’s not what that sentence says though, you purposefully cut off the second part: “in addition to a shared corporatist economic model”
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Somfin posted:Explicit, open stuff, sure. But the Democrats have always been big on It is how a lot of Americans are in general. It's like when the Paris shooting happen and you saw all these people change their social media picture to a candle and maybe make a post about "thoughts and prayers". It is a lot easier to say you support something instead of actually doing anything about it. It is real easy to condemn white nationalism, but to do anything about it would require actual work and will which is in limited supply. Just like the Al Franken stuff, it was real easy to post outrage about it, real or imagined, and Al doing what he thought was the right thing and resigning. The Biden thing I think is just because the media and DNC machine is protecting him so much, although the media is starting to buckle. On the Sunday shows today it really seemed like they were giving the Democrats rope to hang themselves with today. I have a feeling that there is going to be another shoe or two to drop in the next week or two. I do wonder at what point is everyone going to turn on Biden and what will happen then. I was previously believing that he would make it to the convention and then step aside there but I am not convinced he is going to make it until June at this rate. They Democrats need to dump Biden and dump him soon. This sexual assault stuff is not going to go away and the Ukraine stuff hasn't even started flying, let alone anything else from the Right yet.
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Am I the only one annoyed Bernie hasn't come out and resumed his campaign? It would probably amount to nothing and maybe he's afraid of looking like an opportunist, but as imperfect a rallying point for the left as he is he's the only viable one right now at least in terms of the POTUS, and him remaining to sit on the sidelines while Biden eats poo poo is really bugging me.
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Sydin posted:Am I the only one annoyed Bernie hasn't come out and resumed his campaign? It would probably amount to nothing and maybe he's afraid of looking like an opportunist, but as imperfect a rallying point for the left as he is he's the only viable one right now at least in terms of the POTUS, and him remaining to sit on the sidelines while Biden eats poo poo is really bugging me. Nah, friendship ended with Bernie. Now the Body is great left hope
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Sydin posted:At a minimum that Bernie hasn't even come out and said anything about the Reade allegations is really disappointing. It isn't, it is a matter for the courts. If it can be proven there sure, he can poo poo on Biden all day long. For practical reasons because she was a Bernie supporter should Bernie leap to her defense and it turns out she lied, that's bad for Bernie and all he has championed.
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Let me preface this by saying I think it's possible or maybe probable that Joe Biden raped Tara Reade. https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1257032565204140032 To be fair, the niece herself has refused to change her story and is adamant that the incident happened at the 2008 event, even though Biden wasn't there.
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Epic High Five posted:Trump isn't wanting for exposure, I wouldn't worry about that. I think a lack of in person hurts Biden more because he's so insanely bad about online stuff. Like the events he has that actually get advertised get fewer viewers than a Hasan twitch stream lol, and those are the centerpiece of his public facing outreach Yeah Trump is still getting plenty of TV time every day, he isn't needing rallies other than for his own ego. Biden though has zero outreach and perhaps negative interest which should be setting off every warning in his campaign. I mean he had Clinton endorse him the other day on some live stream and the only bit of things I saw of it was a tweet on the USPol thread and the Trump attack ad featuring some of the video. Hell the video of the Clinton endorsement has barely over 70k views and is by far his most view video which most are sub 10k, compared with looking at Sander's Youtube where his May Day video has 55k, the video with Cardi B nearly has as many views. Before he suspended his campaign he was averaging 50-80k views a video. Which yeah, you can make the argument that a lot of Bernie's support was online which is fair. But right now Biden's entire campaign is online. There is not rallies or campaign events. No fundraiser dinners for $10,000 a plate. He is not even in public office so he doesn't have an excuse for why he is not doing more. This stuff should be setting off every warning light and siren for the Democrats but it seems to not be.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:It isn't, it is a matter for the courts. If it can be proven there sure, he can poo poo on Biden all day long. For practical reasons because she was a Bernie supporter should Bernie leap to her defense and it turns out she lied, that's bad for Bernie and all he has championed. The allegation is from thirty years ago and is well past any statute of limitations, so claiming it's a matter for the courts is actually saying it doesn't matter at all because no court will ever hear this case.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:The allegation is from thirty years ago and is well past any statute of limitations, so claiming it's a matter for the courts is actually saying it doesn't matter at all because no court will ever hear this case. Not if Biden hid the complaint, then the crime and cover-up is ongoing.
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The instant Bernie were to open his mouth in support of Tara Reade, the media would make it all about him. Tara would be a prop piece and it'd be nothing but her being a paid stooge for Bernie to try to politicize MeToo for his own benefit, as the talking heads will tell us day in and day out every single day. The media would diminish her message to next to nothingness, and would reduce her to a background piece in her own story. The party elites are drat determined to treat Bernie like the redheaded stepchild of Washington, and they would absolutely make her life even worse than it already is if he got involved.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Maybe this is still the lib in me talking, but I think white nationalism gets a much warmer welcome from the GOP than it does from the Democrats. At any rate, even if you have to forget about political parties altogether, there is still a distinction between liberalism and fascism, and it is still handy to keep that distinction in mind, even in the context of US politics, and even if you can find liberals and fascists in both major political parties. It’s not just white supremacy which has a warmer welcome in the GOP. It’s literally every known form of bigotry (except maybe “reverse racism”) is at home in the GOP. It’s also the case for literally any regressive policy you can think of. Whether it’s trans rights, or the religious freedom to refuse to serve homosexuals, or whether it’s being anti-environment, anti-choice, anti racial justice, anti-immigration, anti-universal healthcare. Or being pro money in politics, pro lobbying, pro tax cuts for the wealthy, pro militarized police, pro death penalty, anti police oversight, anti justice reform, anti racial justice. If you can think of something that’s loving awful, then the GOP is probably the biggest proponent in US politics, or has the most vehement proponents in their ranks. This isn’t even debatable, it’s just factually how it is. The big ‘but’* to this is that the democrats aren’t actually much better on A LOT of these. They are definitely better on all of them, but not by much and seemingly less and less lately. They’re like practically neck and neck on things like tax cuts for the wealthy (except the big tax cut for the wealthy trump did is actually insane and it’s unbelievable that that alone didn’t sink him), and rich donors in politics, and Biden especially bad on this, almost as bad as the official GOP party line - almost. It’s the sad fact that centrist democrats are more like republicans 10 years ago, but republicans have meanwhile become more like national socialist 80 years ago, so thems the breaks I guess. The weird thing is that if it wasn’t for the elections, I could have sworn the country was slooooooooowly getting better on a lot of issues, like lgbt+ rights, more people supporting universal healthcare and so on, especially the blue parts, but overall with dems choosing Biden and GOP is going to bat for a literal fascist, it’s kinda sad times. * butt
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the_steve posted:The instant Bernie were to open his mouth in support of Tara Reade, the media would make it all about him. Yup this is exactly what would happen. It is why his silence is so telling right now. The DNC and in turn the media would LOVE to make her a stooge for someone and spin it away. It is a big reason why she kept refusing to go on Fox. One of the big networks are going to put her on in the next two weeks. Honestly if I were her media people I'd have a big sit-down interview on 20-20 or 60 Minutes; network prime time. Have it be a big expose about her life and the story, have final cut approval so they don't turn and do a hatchet job and then watch what happens. Video of her crying while explaining what happened with that soft lighting and when they play audio of that Larry King call from her mother would be on every news cast in the country. I don't know how the Biden campaign would recover from it frankly.
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Pussy Cartel posted:You know, I've been thinking about this a lot over the past week after getting into some heated arguments with self-professed liberals, and now I'm not really entirely certain; is there a truly meaningful difference between fascism and the form that the American government takes today, or indeed has taken for a long time now? The line is never clear because the steps, the process is incremental. It was never clear in Germany until it was far far too late. There's a quote from Milton Sanford Mayer's They Thought They Were Free that Thom Hartmann is pretty fond of that puts it better than I can. quote:But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D. This is further complicated by the United States not being a traditional totalitarian regime but what Sheldon Wolin called inverted totalitarianism where there is no strong man at the head. I honestly think this is why people react so strongly to Trump while being unable to acknowledge or address the underlying system. He feels much more like a traditional strong man than the professional managers of this process we've have had up until this point. It's not a change in the spirit but a change in the forms to borrow from Sanford's quote. Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 13:40 on May 4, 2020 |
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Maybe this is still the lib in me talking, but I think white nationalism gets a much warmer welcome from the GOP than it does from the Democrats. At any rate, even if you have to forget about political parties altogether, there is still a distinction between liberalism and fascism, and it is still handy to keep that distinction in mind, even in the context of US politics, and even if you can find liberals and fascists in both major political parties. Hard disagree. Yes, it might not be as straight forward and as advertised/as seen on TV; however, I find the "destiny demographics" line as disgusting, if not more. The insidiousness is absolutely appalling.
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Araenna posted:Just a reminder: there are people who have been sexually assaulted reading this thread. Many (most?) have been called liars. There are people who came forward and were interrogated and judged and dragged through the mud. There are people who haven't come forward out of fear.
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Dick Trauma posted:Early on in this horrible Trump administration it was so easy for me to say "I will vote for anyone who runs against him because Trump and the GOP are loving evil." I did not think that the Democrats were going to make it so hard. I did not think that they were going to make me feel like I will be part of the evil if I vote for their candidate. What about all the people really struggling and dying because of Biden's 40 years of bad policies? You are basically shooting yourself in the foot with either candidate.
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Phone posted:Hard disagree. Hell any discussion about how to address rural America quickly turns into what's your favorite human rights violation or war crime.
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ManBoyChef posted:What about all the people really struggling and dying because of Biden's 40 years of bad policies? You lose less ground under Biden than Washington under full control of the GOP, and with Trump giving his stooges everything they want because he is no longer worrying about re-election. Everyone seems to forget that the more you lose, the less the next non-Republican administration will have to offer. Biden wants to go back to the 2015 status quo, but in 2024 the 2020 status-quo is going to become acceptable to a lot of people. Mayor Pete, or one of the other centrists are going to be offering “pragmatic” solutions like re-instating all the environmental regulations Trump rolled back, and providing protections for pre-existing conditions (which is likely gone early in 2021 after the SC bins Obamacare) - and it’s going to work in the primaries.
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ManBoyChef posted:What about all the people really struggling and dying because of Biden's 40 years of bad policies? It always is because the game is rigged. This is America where progress is incrementally slow and our institutions have eroded that progress sometimes faster than it can be made. There is no moral victory in any current candidate winning.
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Dick Trauma posted:Early on in this horrible Trump administration it was so easy for me to say "I will vote for anyone who runs against him because Trump and the GOP are loving evil." I did not think that the Democrats were going to make it so hard. I did not think that they were going to make me feel like I will be part of the evil if I vote for their candidate. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:At any rate, even if you have to forget about political parties altogether, there is still a distinction between liberalism and fascism, and it is still handy to keep that distinction in mind, even in the context of US politics, and even if you can find liberals and fascists in both major political parties.
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TyrantWD posted:You lose less ground under Biden than Washington under full control of the GOP, and with Trump giving his stooges everything they want because he is no longer worrying about re-election. Trump presidency made Democrats take the house, which is good. A demented rapist (D) in the White House will push voters to hand Republicans control of both the house and the senate again in 4 years, which is a worse state to be in.
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Araenna posted:When you make the caveat that you understand tape survivors not voting for Biden, you're telling rape survivors that it's not actually morally justified to refuse to vote for a rapist. I make no claims to be a moral authority but I'm curious if anyone feels comfortable expanding on this. If our choices are a rapist who hurts X people vs a rapist that hurts X + 30 million people, I'm not sure of what moral systems do justify staying out if it? My philosophy is basically just Philosophy Tube on YouTube, but I always thought rule utilitarianism sounds good to me. I feel like that would say that so long as you are able to, you are morally compelled to vote for the candidate who would do less harm. I really can't emphasise enough that I'm not trying to make claims here, I just like to feel grounded in my beliefs and I'm sure you can understand that Biden vs Trump has shaken me something fierce.
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