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twistedmentat posted:This discussion reminds me how a friend of mine used to hate the idea of everyone using the same format, he would say it was a "monopoly" and therefor bad. All HDs are IDE? That means the person who owns the patent for IDE is making tons of money for nothing, so I'm tracking down SCSI hard drives in 1998. Should ask him where he stands on DVD-R, DVD+R and DVD_RAM
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Cojawfee posted:whenever I actually turn the dock on, my computer locks up. eSATA!  Yeah, eSATA has the benefit of being SATA, but the drawback of not being USB so it doesn't "just work". I never tried SATA Port Multiplier or even knew that was what it was called until this discussion. It seems like a great way to make something which is already non-trivial even more complicated! If you want two drives on the one cable, use IDE 
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Toast Museum posted:DBAN is obsolete technology. A full format in Windows zeroes out the drive. Multiple passes haven't been necessary for a long time. Multiple passes haven't been necessary ever. The whole theory it's based on was debunked several years ago, and even the guy who came up with the idea admitted he was wrong.
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Sweevo posted:Multiple passes haven't been necessary ever. The whole theory it's based on was debunked several years ago, and even the guy who came up with the idea admitted he was wrong. Interesting. Got a source?
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Toast Museum posted:Interesting. Got a source? Sources saying that a single pass is insufficient are plentiful, especially if that pass writes all zeroes or ones, since it moves the value to more like .05 away either side from 0/1 depending on what the previous contents were. (Or something like that) Or is this no longer true? (Also different for SMR drives which are cheap and terrible and need read-modify-write cycles to work at all)
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Toast Museum posted:Interesting. Got a source? quote:Gutmann himself has responded to some of these criticisms and also criticized how his algorithm has been abused in an epilogue to his original paper, in which he states:[1][2] https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html TL;DR the multi-pass was only ever relevant to a specific type of HDD, that was obsolete 30 years ago. E: to clarify: the 35 pass method was to cover 4 different types of HDD tech that were in use at the time and you didn't know which one your HDD used. Multi-pass (>1)wipes have not been shown as insufficient to wipe data: quote:...Security researchers from Heise Security, who have reviewed the paper presented at last year's edition of the International Conference on Information Systems Security (ICISS), explain that a single byte of data can be recovered with a 56 percent probability, but only if the head is positioned precisely eight times, which in itself has a probability of occurring of only 0.97%. “Recovering anything beyond a single byte is even less likely,” the researchers conclude... Moo the cow has a new favorite as of 13:26 on May 4, 2020 |
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legooolas posted:Or is this no longer true? Replying to myself actually having looked this up (should have done before posting!): https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/10464/why-is-writing-zeros-or-random-data-over-a-hard-drive-multiple-times-better-th Multiple passes not required due to high densities of disks and recording formats making things much harder and "very unlikely" that any recovery of even whole bytes is possible. But they still recommend encrypting drives for maximum security when you're done with them. Flash/SSD drives very different and need different tools. E;fb
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Johnny Aztec posted:There are wicked rad rare earth magnets inside platter drives. I use the platters as coasters and the magnets as fridge magnets myself.
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Buttcoin purse posted:eSATA! I don't see any reason to use it other than with a hard drive enclosure so you only need to use one SATA cable. It was really cool with my dock when it worked because I could just put drives in and take them out and get faster than USB2 speeds. But it seems like it's just another outdated technology in the days of USB 3.1. Unfortunately, unless you want to spend 200 dollars, everything made these days is apparently total poo poo. I'd like to buy a new dock or enclosure to take advantage of USB 3.1, but every product has a review that says "it deleted my hard drive" and I don't know why that is even possible. I guess I'll just live with USB 2.0.
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Part of that is just a function of online reviews. People who've had something catastrophic happen are the most likely to post reviews, or upvote negative reviews. I've noticed it recently when I decided to switch dog foods, and also when looking for a UPS backup for my new PC. *Every* brand of dog food, no matter how many veterinarians recommend it, how expensive or reputable it is, has top reviews that say "MY DOG ATE TWO BITES OF THIS AND LITERALLY EXPLODED." Likewise every UPS has a 1 star review with 85 "this is helpful" votes saying it burst into flames the second they looked at it funny. But I do remember when I got my first usb-c phone having to look up a list of reviews of chargers from a Google engineer who was testing Amazon listed cables because lovely adherence to the standard by third-party manufacturers meant the wrong one could easily fry your devices. Imagined has a new favorite as of 17:23 on May 4, 2020 |
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Johnny Aztec posted:There are wicked rad rare earth magnets inside platter drives. mu-metal is cool too
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TerryLennox posted:I use the platters as coasters and the magnets as fridge magnets myself. This is one thing I'll miss when the last spinning-rust drive has gone the way of the dodo.
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blatman posted:just lol if it's not just a 2 terabyte folder labeled "pornographs" on your nas like a normal person so you can avoid looking foolish in front of everybody I should think "pornograph" would be the device for playback, the media itself would be a pornogram.
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Groke posted:I should think "pornograph" would be the device for playback, the media itself would be a pornogram. e: I guess in English that would be "pornographer". Zopotantor has a new favorite as of 18:12 on May 4, 2020 |
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Imagined posted:Part of that is just a function of online reviews. People who've had something catastrophic happen are the most likely to post reviews, or upvote negative reviews. I've noticed it recently when I decided to switch dog foods, and also when looking for a UPS backup for my new PC. *Every* brand of dog food, no matter how many veterinarians recommend it, how expensive or reputable it is, has top reviews that say "MY DOG ATE TWO BITES OF THIS AND LITERALLY EXPLODED." Likewise every UPS has a 1 star review with 85 "this is helpful" votes saying it burst into flames the second they looked at it funny. also for a while (and maybe still ongoing?) fulfillment by amazon mixed everything with the same SKU together, so even reputable vendors would have counterfeits mixed in
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I think you have options now where they store your items separately. But there was a time where you'd send them the item you're selling, they throw it onto the pile, and then when someone buys from you, a totally different item is sent out and it could just be a box of rocks and then your store takes a hit.
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Zopotantor posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBe0p13cPxk LOOK AT THIS PORNOGRAPH EVERY TIME I DO IT MAKES ME LAUGH
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Cojawfee posted:I don't see any reason to use it other than with a hard drive enclosure so you only need to use one SATA cable. It was really cool with my dock when it worked because I could just put drives in and take them out and get faster than USB2 speeds. But it seems like it's just another outdated technology in the days of USB 3.1. Unfortunately, unless you want to spend 200 dollars, everything made these days is apparently total poo poo. I'd like to buy a new dock or enclosure to take advantage of USB 3.1, but every product has a review that says "it deleted my hard drive" and I don't know why that is even possible. I guess I'll just live with USB 2.0. I have a USB3 external HDD enclosure that has hot swappable bays, four of them. It has indeed deleted all files on a hard drive before now, loving fun times.
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Groke posted:I should think "pornograph" would be the device for playback, the media itself would be a pornogram. in most cases you would be right but this is erotic bar graphs it's a little known fact that the pornogram label has been applied to two different products over the years, in 1981 it was a viewmaster-style device that contained lewd slides and was designed in such a way that it would blend in with random tools in the bottom of a toolbox to evade detection from your significant other but this was simply a modernized version of the 1914 pornogram which was a grey-market delivery service where you sent 2 doubloons or whatever to the pornogram company headquarters in boston and they shipped you a box labeled "BOSTON BEAVER COMPANY HIGH QUALITY SHAVING SOAP" containing 4 screen-printed nudes of wildly varying quality with a loose story tying them together
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Wasabi the J posted:LOOK AT THIS PORNOGRAPH blatman posted:in most cases you would be right but this is erotic bar graphs LOOK AT THIS (EROTIC BAR) GRAPH! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns
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I'd love to get a singing pornogram
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I am your singing pornogram *Gunshot*
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Cojawfee posted:I am your singing pornogram Great movie.
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legooolas posted:Replying to myself actually having looked this up (should have done before posting!): I used to work with someone that did forensic data recovery for the FBI in the '90s. She was able to extract data from a fully formatted drive written zeros. It wasn't perfect data, but she could get enough off the drive to find some. At least enough to be evidence. Of course, that was over 20 years ago. Based on her advice, when we did refurbs, we used to do a full "Government Wipe" Zeros, then ones, then random. Then do a disk-to-disk copy over the top to restore the partition table with the restore partition and the OS and software pre-load. She did say that would likely make data unrecoverable, but still possible to find a few strings that might be enough for evidence if you had a ton of money and time. It took forever.
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mostlygray posted:I used to work with someone that did forensic data recovery for the FBI in the '90s. She was able to extract data from a fully formatted drive written zeros. It wasn't perfect data, but she could get enough off the drive to find some. At least enough to be evidence. Of course, that was over 20 years ago. Based on her advice, when we did refurbs, we used to do a full "Government Wipe" Zeros, then ones, then random. Then do a disk-to-disk copy over the top to restore the partition table with the restore partition and the OS and software pre-load. She did say that would likely make data unrecoverable, but still possible to find a few strings that might be enough for evidence if you had a ton of money and time. I can imagine this taking forever, I messed around with a drive (forensic) wiping tool in the late 90's and it was slow as hell. that said, watched that defcon video about destroying drives and he made it sound like data was pretty easy to make unrecoverable through standard means, that all the programs to super remove it weren't that necessary...but who knows.
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mostlygray posted:I used to work with someone that did forensic data recovery for the FBI in the '90s. She was able to extract data from a fully formatted drive written zeros. It wasn't perfect data, but she could get enough off the drive to find some. At least enough to be evidence. Of course, that was over 20 years ago. Based on her advice, when we did refurbs, we used to do a full "Government Wipe" Zeros, then ones, then random. Then do a disk-to-disk copy over the top to restore the partition table with the restore partition and the OS and software pre-load. She did say that would likely make data unrecoverable, but still possible to find a few strings that might be enough for evidence if you had a ton of money and time. Lol that actually makes the data easily recoverable, that's why the FBI wanted you to think the opposite! 
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https://archive.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=42703quote:LINTHICUM, Md., Nov. 2, 1999 – The airman was accused of hiring a hit man to kill his wife. He thought he would get away with murder when he literally cut the evidence to pieces.
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Love 2 destory the evidence of my crimes which I carry around along with my shares like a loving dipshit.
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There's a Forensics Files episode about that case. It's good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbDACOLJc6k
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I've been reading back through this thread and that encouraged me to look up some Teletext archives. https://archive.teletextarchaeologist.org has a fantastic selection, scavenged from old VHS recordings. Pretty much the first one I stumbled upon detailed the aftermath of the Aum Shinrikyo plot and the Northern Irish peace talks...   ...but that's boring adult stuff. Digitiser was the poo poo back in the day! So many wasted hours spent waiting for the cheats page to flip through, inevitably displaying cheats for games I did not own. You think they got permission to use those images of Mario and Sonic?  98 was a banger of a year for the Playstation, a tonne of classics going platinum (remember platinum titles?)  But N64 and Mario were still the kings back in 96, at least according to the reviewers.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:If I want to see Teletext I just push the button on my TV remote control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_teletext_services I'm now learning that Teletext still thrives in mainland Europe. The ones I've looked at all seem kind of dry though. None of the eight-colour glory of, for example:  Turner the Worm!  Also including 90s comic titties in big jaggedy pixels Daktar has a new favorite as of 01:55 on May 7, 2020 |
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