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Voodoofly posted:I’m asking. You quote my vote but I’ve already said that vote was based on total miscomprehension. Hahaha oh yeah I forgot about this!
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# ? May 4, 2020 22:17 |
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I'm going to say, based solely on D1 post count, that Liger and Voodoo are town.
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# ? May 4, 2020 22:41 |
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Tom we are clearly the tl;dr all-stars. I'm just gonna cut this down to one specific thing I still want to talk about.Tom Tucker posted:3) I guess you're agreeing with LordNad's general idea I just can't see scum watching Liger make an obvious jokevote on D1 and thinking "aha, here is my prey for the day, I can twist anything he does after this to look scummy".
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# ? May 4, 2020 22:51 |
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Amnistar posted:I'm going to say, based solely on D1 post count, that Liger and Voodoo are town. I have the opposite gut read of Voodoo.
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# ? May 4, 2020 22:58 |
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thank forking god i didnt click anyone's profile this time
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:18 |
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Andy - LordNad mentions the "unvoting when called on it" piece during his vote, but his very clear push after that is because he joke voted a third vote. See this post sequence:LordNad posted:You joke voted a guy with 2 serious votes and then unvoted when called out on it. Unvote is mentioned, but in the context of backing off what LordNad states is the scummy behavior, because he follows up with: LordNad posted:I'm voting because what you did was scummy and your explanation afterwards doesn't feel right. Where did I agree with your prior points of view? LordNad posted:So you admit you voted for a guy with 2 serious votes who you thought was town LordNad posted:You deliberately dropped the 3rd vote for someone you thought was town as a joke. Get lynched The doubling down is ALL about the initial "joke vote", not the unvote.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:22 |
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original gut on voodoo was probably scum, attempt at mafiadadding early rubbed me the wrong way, reading through his posts now though it looks like he's trying to get the day moving with prodding on tnl (at the time inactive) and fifty (who is totally inactive). not ruling anything out but not the direction i'd want to go in for a lynch today.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:24 |
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CapnAndy posted:I just can't see scum watching Liger make an obvious jokevote on D1 and thinking "aha, here is my prey for the day, I can twist anything he does after this to look scummy". I don't think this is the mindset - it's a quick and simple to seeing something that you can in some form feel is scummy and thus feel safe arguing it. Suspecting Liger was simple because it was very easy to argue the "facts", that's why I feel it was opportunistic. I don't think it's a vote designed to get Liger launched, I think it's a vote designed to be safe, but also make you appear active, making cases, and participating in discussion.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:25 |
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Really want to hear back from Kumba now that Voodoo has reminded me that her entire basis for her vote on Liger was agreeing with a vote that was objectively and easily noticeable as wrong.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:27 |
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Token Female posted:Are these votes (and Yuming's) bad because they are voting for Amnistar because you think Amnistar is town? Or because you don't like how they frame their votes? yes. seriously though, yes to both. amnistar is a pretty easy target to jump on and they all did and in a very lazy way. yuming has knee-jerked a case onto me, though i don't think it's necessarily scummy in yumings case. my vague memory of the two or three games i've played with yuming, had them calling me scum for my posting style in (i think) all of them. so that's a null tell.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:35 |
Let’s just lunch merk before he has a chance to come back and respond
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:35 |
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Voodoofly posted:I’m going to go thru the thread this morning after I get a project done but let’s be clear we should absolutely lynch a lurker on day 1 without something really persuasive otherwise. disagree. lynching lurkers gives gently caress all content and is a really really easy crutch for scum. they're excused from giving hard reads on anyone. Tom Tucker posted:It's day one with a gazillion hours left and I'm saying paying attention to people who are sitting on the sidelines after they've had a few days to weigh in is a good idea, yes! same as above. the game has a lurker mechanic in place, what is the value add here? we'd get way better insight into if there is scum or not in the lurkers, by end of day two, because you'd have two days worth of people just barely scraping through the post count minimum.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:37 |
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Deadbeat Dad posted:##vote Varinn I think I agree with this one too. Varinn came out of the gate strong, voted Amni, criticized people for sitting on the sidelines, and then just kind of vanished into a puff of smoke.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:38 |
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zzyzx posted:I think I agree with this one too. Varinn came out of the gate strong, voted Amni, criticized people for sitting on the sidelines, and then just kind of vanished into a puff of smoke. "Active" is probably a better word than "strong." The vote on Amni wasn't good.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:40 |
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Sandwolf posted:Lets just lunch merk before he has a chance to come back and respond Unreal.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:40 |
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Voodoofly posted:Do you have anything better? You have a lot of "these are bad" but nothing else. are they not bad? engage with me about them then.
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:46 |
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rereading through yuming, who im still not sure on, actually got me rereading zzyxzxzzyzx posted:Now let's get some votes of opportunity on the Liger voters of opportunity who didn't like the Amni votes of opportunity. zzyzx posted:Of course it contradicts what you've said so far; I think it's a made-up reason. If Steak had flipped scum, you absolutely would not have followed up with, "I just did it because it was funny, I didn't have any scum read on him." (You'd be getting familiar with the smug emojis instead.) That only came after yuming voted you. he still is trying to paint amnis action as scummy, and is putting words in his mouth. what if steak flips scum and amni still says it was for a laff? thats exactly how i would have gone with it (and i absolutely would have popped off first chance day one, don't ever give me vig powers) zzyzx posted:I think that you're town, because day-vigs (and certainly day-vigs who shoot other townies on d1) usually are. I also think backpedaling into, "that's what I meant to do all along" after you get called out is an understandable reaction. continuing to push on amni. hes not voting there though, is it because he doesnt see a path there? the do better line bothers me. zzyzx posted:I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what to make of it. i dont even know whats going on in this post, khris kruel please do not share your edibles midmafia. zzyzx posted:The fact that it was a THIRD VOTE isn't necessarily the point. Assuming for the sake of argument that it's a joke, queuing up your joke vote with "I'd join this but I want to see more evidence first" is weird. And then waiting until other people have made serious votes and plonking down your joke vote right after is also weird. he's still on this one zzyzx posted:
hes saying tht my posts are retroactively jokes, as opposed to being jokes when they were first posted???????????????????? i think we have something here. zzyzx posted:By now merk has normally started yelling and screaming until he gets his way, but so far it's just a couple of crappy drive-by votes where merk says "fake" and runs off. also weird shots at merk trying to cast doubt on his credibility (due to...inactivity? omgus? i dont know.) i sense a real lovely game from this direction especially after watching zz play in harry potter. also big case posts like this on mobile is like doing a self root canal and i will probably not do it ever again (on mobile) ##vote zzyzx this is where i feel scum is on day one
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:50 |
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Token Female posted:Sure! okay, please give me the pro argument for pursuing lurkers in a game with a lurker mechanic. how does it help determine player intent when the argument is going to basically be "they didn't post enough" ?
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:58 |
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*looks up on head to see big novelty hat with "Mafia Dad" written on it*
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# ? May 4, 2020 23:59 |
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okay im back, ill catch up this afternoon and figure out where i stand keane, you have as always proven yourself to be the most admirable of friends. thank you
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:07 |
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Tom Tucker posted:Yuming's post about Hambeer firstly, i like that both yuming and tom tucker knee jerk onto me after i've commented negatively on their posts. really normal town play. as is the cheer leading of yumings post. hmmmmmm. is it a coincidence that the next person tom tucked attacks is someone else who has raised an odd feeling about yuming's posting? hmmmmmm
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:09 |
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Tom Tucker posted:I meant I wasn't going to interleave quotes X-COM 2: Chimaera Squad style. *loading screen with APC*
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:11 |
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I agree with hambeet wrt lurker launches. If someone just isn't into the game then they'll probably be replaced D2, otherwise they'll be modkilled for lurking eventually if they don't pick it up. The problem takes care of itself without us wasting launches on it. Lurker launches let scum happily jump on a wagon without worrying about a town flip because they can just shrug it off as "Oh well, I guess they shouldn't have been lurking!" and then we learn nothing D2 from the D1 launch.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:11 |
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hambeet posted:okay, please give me the pro argument for pursuing lurkers in a game with a lurker mechanic.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:12 |
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Sandwolf posted:Let’s just lunch merk before he has a chance to come back and respond sandwolf! what a good suggestion.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:12 |
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CapnAndy posted:They're detriments to the town and we shouldn't need the mods to do our job for us. Plus, the mods are incentivized to set an extremely lax standard for "lurking" because modkills are disruptive to the game. We can take out anyone we want for whatever reasons seem good to us. how does it give us data for the next day? how does it actually help the game?
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:14 |
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hambeet posted:*loading screen with APC* I wiill fight anyone who disagrees with me on this.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:14 |
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Tom Tucker posted:Really want to hear back from Kumba now that Voodoo has reminded me that her entire basis for her vote on Liger was agreeing with a vote that was objectively and easily noticeable as wrong. i read 340 posts in about 15 minutes and have no idea what you're talking about
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:15 |
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hambeet posted:*looks up on head to see big novelty hat with "Mafia Dad" written on it*
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:15 |
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hambeet posted:how does it give us data for the next day?
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:16 |
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CapnAndy posted:Any flip is data, and it helps because we remove, at worst, a townie who wasn't helping the dang town. At best we get a scum, and trying to fade into the background is a prime scum strategy. okay so then we know the person who flips is town, but we have bugger all on the intent of the people voting them. were they town or scum? we will never know because they didn't make an argument about their vote! if we're actually having to make cases based on peoples posting, we can go back and review those posters arguments post-flip to see if they were genuine or horseshit. i cannot think of a single game where we've bagged a lurking scum on a lurker lynch. it's super easy for their team buds to prod them and get them posting. it's wasteful, both in towns time and numbers. i'd rather we make a bad case and flip town, than make no case and flip town. one of them gives us info to work with the next day. anyway, i feel i've said enough on this topic.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:20 |
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i've ordered three
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:21 |
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hambeet posted:firstly, i like that both yuming and tom tucker knee jerk onto me after i've commented negatively on their posts. really normal town play. as is the cheer leading of yumings post. hmmmmmm. makes you think
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:23 |
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hambeet posted:are they not bad? engage with me about them then. Liger was a joke. Varin I read as just trying to get something going, although the lack of any further posting I find bad. Yumnings vote is pretty weak with “a scum would definitely do this to look town” but her votes since then have seemed legit. I don’t really disagree with any of your votes I just wanted more than “that’s bad” because I’ve never played with you and was trying to get any sort of read and also just push the game along. If you really want to debate lunching lurkers as a strategy or not I’ll post way more about it when I’m back on a computer. Honestly though I’ve had that fight so many times I really don’t want to deal with it again. Basically don’t rely on mods, lurkers hurt the town and allow scum to hide, what Andy said etc.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:25 |
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First quick thoughts: Collectively destroying a lurker is absolutely always on the table, but is more sort of the "is the case against anyone strong enough, if not, let's consider this other option." So I'll return to that when I'm done. Rather than trying to suss out the collective case-threads right away, I'll start with a quick read through on everyone, really get my pieces in order. Like any good drama, I'll start episodic and then switch to serialization.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:26 |
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Deadbeat Dad posted:makes you think oh i forgot about that
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:27 |
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kumba posted:i read 340 posts in about 15 minutes and have no idea what you're talking about When I voted Liger I thought his vote was serious. I later realized it was a joke. So you saying you are voting him for same reason I did sounds like you don’t think he was joking.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:29 |
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Hello friends, beloved trickster C. C. Keane is here.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:29 |
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Tom Tucker posted:Here's who I was thinking - Voodoo go read it back in context. I disagree with the bolded section but LordNad analysis feels fine, townie post IMO.
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# ? May 5, 2020 00:32 |
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jivjov posted:Doing some reading back, and yeah...Liger building momentum on someone like that seems a bit sus....tbh I don't know you well enough to definitely trust my own reads, but when they are already lining up with the majority... This makes me Hmm.
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