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CCKeane posted:This post feels pretty bad to me and I think that CapnAndy is my current pick for scum. The tone here feels strange and not conducive to sussing out scumminess, but to try to convince through mockery - I bolded some stuff that seems off, here. Like, the tone is very much directed at TT, with some sort of vibe of "look at this rear end in a top hat, amirite!" with a wink toward everybody else. I don't like it! It feels more geared to getting reactions than being persuasive! I saw all the things you were talking about with Andy in this post, but I just read it as Andy sort of playing into the joke about a mega wall of text vote like that on Day 1. None of his other posts have any of the snark despite him sticking to his guns. Andy is good in my book. On the other hand, this looks like you just found a post to vote and sat on it. You have said more about how you are good with voting Andy than anything Andy has posted other than this one post. I'm good voting you right now as well.
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Voodoofly posted:I saw all the things you were talking about with Andy in this post, but I just read it as Andy sort of playing into the joke about a mega wall of text vote like that on Day 1. None of his other posts have any of the snark despite him sticking to his guns. Andy is good in my book. I posted that, and then had one (1) post where I say I prefer voting CapnAndy over hambeer in response to a discussion I had with yuming. This is made up.
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May 5, 2020 11:53
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Going through Voodooflys game list: Voodooflys getting married mafia (town): quote:You know I want to vote for a lurker. It is just too early for there to be a lurker yet, so I must look elsewhere. Writers Block mafia (Town), regarding voting lurkers: quote:I still like to give them at least half the game day to show up. Seems different than your thoughts today, although these did happen a decade ago so.
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May 5, 2020 12:03
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May 5, 2020 12:04
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What’s a meta with you? Not much man, what’s a meta with YOU?
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May 5, 2020 12:14
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##petgive tokes casing someone based on how their logic worked ten years ago is a level of mafia play I can only wish to attain
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May 5, 2020 12:28
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hambeet posted:What’s a meta with you? ##petgive hambeet
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May 5, 2020 12:52
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hambeet posted:What’s a meta with you? I respect this joke.
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May 5, 2020 13:06
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Deadbeat Dad posted:What did I back off of lol So I think you spent a lot of effort, more than on anything else in fact, backpedaling off of various things you said. This concerns me because it reminds me of behavior from the past, which I'd have to go digging through old games to source, and I'm not an insane person like CCK who just did that with Voodoofly. You essentially did a re-read of yourself and "fixed" all your posts, which isn't something I feel like town would do. Deadbeat Dad posted:Would also vote MiR, yuming, or anybody else who tried to make something big out of the vig shot being a "scum power/thing". Scum usually need something to sink their teeth into content wise on D1 and that was a perfect opportunity to sow confusion. I'm willing to give Amni the benefit of the doubt until some other stuff happens, or.. hell... if his posting was too scummy to ignore, I wouldn't even factor in the vig as something that should be "points" for his town. But he just seems like every other D1 vig that hit or missed. I categorically did not call the vig shot "being a "scum power/thing"", let alone "make something big out of" it. I am reading Amni relatively townie at this point, to be blunt. If you want to call out people for this specific behavior, there are better targets than myself & yuming, so it's really interesting that those are the names you chose.
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May 5, 2020 13:11
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Voodoofly posted:I'm swapping over to kid care at 1:00, so probably way less posting until he is down. . Posts like this always scream scum to me. It's primarily white noise non-opinions disguised as ~*~CoNtEnT~*~
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May 5, 2020 13:24
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I'm good with lunching Liger if not for anything else but that they continue to shitpost instead of play a game where they're at the center of attention
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May 5, 2020 13:25
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Deadbeat Dad posted:Okay this is some real tinfoil hat poo poo but you know what's funny? I remember reading some old games of mine and in one game where we Scum Perfected I wrote "mea culpa" as some apology to someone, and for some reason that has always stuck out for me because it felt really forced and weird for me to use that phrase. I don't know why I used it, and I remember that 9 years later. ##mea culpa DBD Good game, suckers.
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Tom Tucker posted:I'm sure glad everyone's looking at a bunch of content and important cases and just going "OH WELL reading is hard" way to go folks. Let me give you a shoulder massage, I wouldn't want you to hurt anything patting yourself on the back so hard Andy was right, your 'case' was full of filler Being straight to the point and talking about players' behavior is pro-town Talking in circles and theorizing about intentions is anti-town
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May 5, 2020 13:33
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yuming posted:I have been feeling a bit smad (sad and mad) about the reality of my husband not being able to attend my 20 week ultrasound next week, actually! ##vote yuming's baby for lurking
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May 5, 2020 13:34
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merk posted:Talking generally about whether a scum dayvig might exist in a game us content scum would make. Analyzing why a person took an action with a role and looking at that intent is how town would play. 
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May 5, 2020 13:35
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Amnistar posted:Still think it's wierd you think I lied about why I shot steak and that somehow makes me townie. I mostly agree with zzyzx here, I think you would have played it off as being a superstar if he flipped scum, and your continued insistence that you shot someone you didn't inherently think was scum is odd
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May 5, 2020 13:37
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vivat virtute posted:So I think you spent a lot of effort, more than on anything else in fact, backpedaling off of various things you said. This concerns me because it reminds me of behavior from the past, which I'd have to go digging through old games to source, and I'm not an insane person like CCK who just did that with Voodoofly. You essentially did a re-read of yourself and "fixed" all your posts, which isn't something I feel like town would do. The CC stands for Crazy Crazy.
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May 5, 2020 13:39
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CCKeane posted:Going through Voodooflys game list: This is wild to me that someone would go through someone else's games to find this. I just don't have that kind of drive. vivat virtute posted:So I think you spent a lot of effort, more than on anything else in fact, backpedaling off of various things you said. This concerns me because it reminds me of behavior from the past, which I'd have to go digging through old games to source, and I'm not an insane person like CCK who just did that with Voodoofly. You essentially did a re-read of yourself and "fixed" all your posts, which isn't something I feel like town would do. If this is how you feel, then how do you feel about Tom going back and forth on Lord Nad? (That is to say. Makes a big case. Lord Nad megaposts defends it. Tom invotes because it feels genuine. Then some people vote for Lord Nad, and Tom jumps back on). Is that backpeddling in your mind? Is that scummy behavior to you as well? vivat virtute posted:Posts like this always scream scum to me. It's primarily white noise non-opinions disguised as ~*~CoNtEnT~*~ I feel posts about being away makes sense around a deadline. It's odd to post it in the middle of the day. It assumes that voodoofly is always looking at the thread, and that other people are as well.
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May 5, 2020 13:55
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Good morning from the Time Knife As a reminder, both the lynch and the Pet are due tonight!
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vivat virtute posted:I mostly agree with zzyzx here, I think you would have played it off as being a superstar if he flipped scum, and your continued insistence that you shot someone you didn't inherently think was scum is odd Then you *don't* agree with zzyzx. Zzyzx is claiming the fact that I'm arguing that I wasn't shooting to hit scum is a townie thing and not odd.
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May 5, 2020 14:02
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I think it's really scummy that CCKeane spent time reviewing decades old Voodoofly games to build a meta case instead of spending time in the thread to hunt scum.
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May 5, 2020 14:09
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merk posted:I think it's really scummy that CCKeane spent time reviewing decades old Voodoofly games to build a meta case instead of spending time in the thread to hunt scum. I was following up on Voodoofly being dodgy when I pressed him on it. Voodoofly posted:How many games have you played with me??? Voodoofly posted:Every game I've ever played in, regardless of alignment? Voodoofly kept dodging my questions about how he felt a lurker execution would help town. He claimed a meta defense, and I went in to verify, found a discrepancy, and followed up. Do you have comments on the case itself?
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May 5, 2020 14:14
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CCKeane posted:I was following up on Voodoofly being dodgy when I pressed him on it. I think Voodoofly seems scummy but haven't figured out why. It's d1 gut. I'm not going to mine out decades old games to evaluate your case. I think your case, on its face, is scummy because of how you made it when there's pages of content here.
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May 5, 2020 14:16
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That said, I accidentally grabbed the oldest games on votefinder and not the most recent, so I'm going to check again.
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May 5, 2020 14:16
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merk posted:I think Voodoofly seems scummy but haven't figured out why. It's d1 gut. I think it's incredibly reasonable to challenge a meta defense with meta, and if you disagree I don't know what to tell you.' Addditionally, and relevant here, is that Voodoofly's games, on votefinder, are all very old - the most recent is from 2012, c'mon man.
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May 5, 2020 14:18
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hambeet posted:eh, you do you and play to your win condition.
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Here's from Voodoofly's most recent town game: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3475544&userid=29122&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 I haven't done a full look in yet - I have to leave fairly soon, but there isn't the anti lurker stuff Voodoofly is promoting as a meta defense. A big thing here is Voodoofly promoted executions, and when asked how it'd benefit town, instead of providing a reason, dodged to a meta defense. That meta defense doesn't exist. It isn't accurate. So Voodoofly pushed an execution with no reason. Please point out where I'm mistaken. You can call me scum if you want, just show me where I am wrong.
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vivat virtute posted:Let me give you a shoulder massage, I wouldn't want you to hurt anything patting yourself on the back so hard Separating behavior from intentions is the fastest way to talk about everything and say absolutely nothing.
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May 5, 2020 14:25
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yuming posted:Is this a call on my alignment or ? ? ? not at all.
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May 5, 2020 14:26
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CCKeane posted:Here's from Voodoofly's most recent town game: merk's got a point i can barely be bothered reading some of the mega posts in this thread, let a lone casing someone for past games. cray cray indeed.
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May 5, 2020 14:27
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Tom Tucker posted:Separating behavior from intentions is the fastest way to talk about everything and say absolutely nothing. Two people bickering back and forth about a third party is purely a show and not actual investigation
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May 5, 2020 14:31
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CCKeane posted:That said, I accidentally grabbed the oldest games on votefinder and not the most recent, so I'm going to check again. There's three years of games before votefinder was used. You should check those out too. Voodoo started playing in 2007. (I don't see why people (CCKeane) would do this).
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CCKeane posted:Here's from Voodoofly's most recent town game: Clearly you need to also look at scum games to see if there is a difference there. You are giving us incomplete results.
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vivat virtute posted:##vote yuming's baby for lurking I had a bit of a weird feeling about DBD after his and your early interaction, which is why I asked him specifically for reads. vivat virtute posted:So I think you spent a lot of effort, more than on anything else in fact, backpedaling off of various things you said. This concerns me because it reminds me of behavior from the past, which I'd have to go digging through old games to source, and I'm not an insane person like CCK who just did that with Voodoofly. You essentially did a re-read of yourself and "fixed" all your posts, which isn't something I feel like town would do. As with hambeet, I am suspicious of posters who blanket call the votes on Amni bad. The way Amni whipped out the kill was scummy to me, and once Amni explained he thought the wording was funny and that he wrote in his confessional about using it too soon I thought it sounded more like Town Amni Thing. But when he first fired it off it fit my profile of scum Amni. Deadbeat Dad posted:You know... I'm trying to think if it's inherently scummier to do what Varinn did which was come out strongly against it, or for someone to immediately latch onto it, aka yuming, regardless of her switch afterwards. I'm actually leaning more towards yuming now just because scum creating a case that I think isn't entirely strong would be pretty see through and silly to do and I think Varinn is better than that. I still don't like it though. -jumping on something easy -OMGUS -not playing to my Town standard Like, I don't think scum would see Amni fire the kill and go "ah yes perfect, I am going to get Amni killed for Killing a Town!" I am again obv biased to my own perspective, but I think scum are much likelier to comment on the votes ON AMNI being bad because THAT is the true safe-scum entrance point to the thread.
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May 5, 2020 14:41
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kumba posted:i am trying to imagine in what universe a town keane points to posts from 8 years ago and genuinely wonders why someone posts differently now I see it as Keane engaging in merk's gut read which is fair.
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kumba posted:i am trying to imagine in what universe a town keane points to posts from 8 years ago and genuinely wonders why someone posts differently now I could see myself as town going through the post histories if I was manic enough and had archives. But it's hard to conclude that people don't change in 8 years.
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going back and reading it in context with voodoo's posts i feel better about it. personally, i agree with merk here and cannot fathom digging into decades old posts instead of just analyzing this thread but to each their own i guess it seems 'wrong' to me but that doesn't make it scummy
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Token Female posted:I could see myself as town going through the post histories if I was manic enough and had archives. But it's hard to conclude that people don't change in 8 years. I specifically mention this and, importantly, Voodooflys cites his meta, the most recent of which is 8 years ago. Like, this is how I see things are going: -Voodoofly advocates a lurker execution -I ask him to defend it -Voodoofly cites 8 year old meta -I check 8 year old meta and see an inconsistency So we're all in agreement this is what happened, right? But what I don't get is why citing 8 year old meta, implying your thoughts haven't changed, is okay, but checking that 8 year old meta is wrong. I'm going to throw out a hypothesis here, Voodooflys remembers his town meta was to go after lurkers, and is trying to go after lurkers to keep with his town meta.
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