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CCKeane posted:Going through Voodooflys game list: I specifically mention and include that these are old games! If Voodoofly thought his opinions changed in the last ten years, why would he cite his old meta!
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Token Female posted:There's three years of games before votefinder was used. You should check those out too. Voodoo started playing in 2007. If CCK had come out of the gate with no prior conversation and "I looked at some of Voodoo's old games and he's saying something different today than he did then," that would be weird. Here, CCK is responding directly to Voodoo's defense, which was, "I've done this in every game I've played." I think Voodoo is allowed to exaggerate, or forget games, or change his style over time; but CCK looking into it is reasonable, and he gets points for effort.
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May 5, 2020 14:55
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CCKeane posted:I specifically mention this and, importantly, Voodooflys cites his meta, the most recent of which is 8 years ago.
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May 5, 2020 14:56
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kumba posted:i am trying to imagine in what universe a town keane points to posts from 8 years ago and genuinely wonders why someone posts differently now I'm trying to imagine in what universe anyone that is scum puts in the amount of effort it would involve to go and re-read old games to find evidence to push for a meta cuddle of someone day 1.
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May 5, 2020 14:57
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zzyzx posted:If CCK had come out of the gate with no prior conversation and "I looked at some of Voodoo's old games and he's saying something different today than he did then," that would be weird. Here, CCK is responding directly to Voodoo's defense, which was, "I've done this in every game I've played." I think Voodoo is allowed to exaggerate, or forget games, or change his style over time; but CCK looking into it is reasonable, and he gets points for effort. Yes, thank you.
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May 5, 2020 14:57
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Amnistar posted:I'm trying to imagine in what universe anyone that is scum puts in the amount of effort it would involve to go and re-read old games to find evidence to push for a meta cuddle of someone day 1. To be clear, I am not saying Keane is *right* about voodoofly. But I'm pretty sure Keane is *town*
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May 5, 2020 14:58
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Amnistar posted:I'm trying to imagine in what universe anyone that is scum puts in the amount of effort it would involve to go and re-read old games to find evidence to push for a meta cuddle of someone day 1. yeah fair enough
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CCKeane posted:I specifically mention this and, importantly, Voodooflys cites his meta, the most recent of which is 8 years ago. Yeah, I get your point.
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May 5, 2020 14:58
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zzyzx posted:If CCK had come out of the gate with no prior conversation and "I looked at some of Voodoo's old games and he's saying something different today than he did then," that would be weird. Here, CCK is responding directly to Voodoo's defense, which was, "I've done this in every game I've played." I think Voodoo is allowed to exaggerate, or forget games, or change his style over time; but CCK looking into it is reasonable, and he gets points for effort. My point is that I don't see how people would want to go through people's histories from that long ago,
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May 5, 2020 14:59
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Token Female posted:My point is that I don't see how people would want to go through people's histories from that long ago, Yeah that’s where I sit too. The idea behind it is reasonable, until you realise their most recent game was at least two olympics ago. actually the more i think about it, the more I’m sort of impressed by it
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May 5, 2020 15:01
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Token Female posted:My point is that I don't see how people would want to go through people's histories from that long ago, With votefinder it's really not that hard. A couple of clicks away from a person's profile.
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May 5, 2020 15:03
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This never came up because I said go back thru my meta to judge me. Ham asked if anyone successfully hit scum with day 1 lurker lynches and I said no but I think we successfully won more town games doing it, and that as scum I’ve hidden among lurkers for wins even after losing everyone on early scum lynches. CCK then asked for examples and I linked votefinder. It’s not worth the effort looking for old posts to defend my view on lurkers and it wouldn’t make me town or scum here. It’s something I believe is the right way to play regardless of alignment or any one game, and I’ve been saying it at least as far back as Tom’s old brain slugs game (first one I really remember). I mean Merk bought me a gavel that said lurker judge as a Christmas present at one point because of how often I talked about going after lurkers. I still think CCK talking about hyperbole in one Andy post, but ignoring it in any of Andy’s other posts taking about Tom, or just ignoring the content of Andy’s argument in general and focusing on hyperbole as some sort of tell, was a totally opportunistic case.
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May 5, 2020 15:07
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##vote kumba by far the scummiest person in the thread.kumba posted:so far, in summary: Unexplained vote on the vote leader. kumba posted:
Extremely bad reason to stay on the vote leader. kumba posted:call it more of a subconscious thing, where scum often feel they have to give themselves an "out" when knowingly voting for a townie Clings on to the extremely bad reason when called out.
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May 5, 2020 15:08
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I don't think zzyzx is scum at all. Active, making salient points. Would not vote.
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May 5, 2020 15:14
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The Ninth Layer posted:##vote kumba by far the scummiest person in the thread. Extremely bad reason to stay on the vote leader. Clings on to the extremely bad reason when called out. [/quote] Has Kumba responded to my question on why he quoted my vote as his justification despite me admitting that vote was a mistake?
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May 5, 2020 15:17
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Votecount for Day 1  OFFICER LIGER (5): zzyzx, Voodoofly, Khris Kruel, OFFICER LIGER, LordNad, jivjov, zzyzx (3): The Ninth Layer, Tom Tucker (1): CapnAndy Voodoofly (1): CCKeane kumba (1): The Ninth Layer Varinn (1): Jose Valasquez, Deadbeat Dad, vivat virtute (1): Voodoofly yuming (1): Deadbeat Dad LordNad (1): jivjov, The Ninth Layer, Tom Tucker, hambeet (1): yuming, Token Female, Khris Kruel (0): merk, Amnistar (0): yuming, Varinn, OFFICER LIGER, CapnAndy (0): LordNad, merk (0): Jose Valasquez, 50 pounds of bread (0): Voodoofly, The Ninth Layer (0): zzyzx, Sandwolf (0): Amnistar, jivjov (0): LordNad, Deadbeat Dad (0): vivat virtute, Not Voting (7): 50 pounds of bread, hambeet, Jamuraan, Sandwolf, Token Female, Varinn, vivat virtuteWith 23 alive, it's 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 05th, 2020 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 9 hours, 36 minutes.
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May 5, 2020 15:23
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Ok, I haven't really read all that much. But now I have some availability. Let's see what there is to do here.
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May 5, 2020 15:29
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May 5, 2020 15:29
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kumba posted:i read 340 posts in about 15 minutes and have no idea what you're talking about Voodoo this was the response. This hits me as scummy. Skimming everything I get, but then voting for someone based exclusively on another person's 'case' but not actually pausing to validate or understand that case is suspicious.
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May 5, 2020 16:02
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Deadbeat Dad posted:Also Amni isn't scum for the action of shooting Steak. Whether or not scum have the vig ability is a different conversation in itself, but the action isn't inherently scummy. I can count on one hand how many times a vig has held a shot past D1 (the most recent one being one of my games, but there was a reason for that). Deadbeat Dad posted:I don't have any definite "this person is 100% scum" thoughts but I'll tell you what sort of reads I feel good on: There are a lot of zero risk opinions mixed up in here. ##vote DBD
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May 5, 2020 16:21
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Voodoofly posted:Extremely bad reason to stay on the vote leader. i had already responded and then you asked again after going back and reading your posts again, i do see the post you're referring to, however my answer is the same: speedreading several hundred posts on the app makes it extraordinarily difficult to follow a single person's train of thought. there are 24 people in this game. i did not notice, in my quick read, that your vote was the one that was rescinded after realizing it was a joke i also don't really care. again, that one post wasn't the only reason i voted liger. i've said this already Tom Tucker posted:Voodoo this was the response. did you somehow already forget you posted basically this same thing with a lot more words, and then mea culpa'd afterwards
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May 5, 2020 16:34
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The Ninth Layer posted:##vote kumba by far the scummiest person in the thread. Extremely bad reason to stay on the vote leader. Clings on to the extremely bad reason when called out. [/quote] a. you not liking the explanation is not the same thing as a vote being unexplained b. as i've already said, while you may think it's an extremely bad reason to stay, that would also be an extremely stupid reason to move my vote and i've not seen anything else more compelling c. i disagree
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May 5, 2020 16:37
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No my position changed again when voodoo pointed out his case wasn’t legit which led me back to suspecting you for the reasons cited above. I missed the post where you stated you agreed with voodoo, so I said my bad, but then voodoo reminded me that you shouldn’t have been agreeing with him in the first place, so now I’m back!
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May 5, 2020 16:39
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Token Female posted:(I don't see why people (CCKeane) would do this). I did this several times in HP4 (I didn't even post them all), if someone tries to say "I always do this as town!" I look for receipts. Granted I wasn't strictly town aligned in that game, but it is something I would do either way (For example, I looked up a dude's off-site games in HP3). I don't think it is a scum-tell or a town-tell, it is just an effort-tell to me
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May 5, 2020 16:44
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i cannot imagine wanting to do that, but to each their ownTom Tucker posted:No my position changed again when voodoo pointed out his case wasn’t legit which led me back to suspecting you for the reasons cited above. I missed the post where you stated you agreed with voodoo, so I said my bad, but then voodoo reminded me that you shouldn’t have been agreeing with him in the first place, so now I’m back! ok
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May 5, 2020 16:53
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Hi, can we discuss how DBD is so carefully posting today that he might be sitting at a computer with a mask and gloves on?
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May 5, 2020 17:27
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##vote DBD For a bad feeling + as I said, I think attacking the votes on Amni is a much safer scum-entry point than going after him directly.
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May 5, 2020 17:57
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merk posted:Hi, can we discuss how DBD is so carefully posting today that he might be sitting at a computer with a mask and gloves on? this is recommended practice now merk the internet is a dirty place @CCKeane, I think the weirdest part of going so far back to find evidence of his meta (decade will destroy that logic but that’s not my point) is I can’t imagine Keane thought it would be convincing. I can’t imagine Keane posting a decade old remark would be the kinda thing unloading a flood on Voodoofly, so I’m a little confused at the intention. Should be around all day
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It's the TIME KNIFE here with The Pet Vote! As a reminder, you have one vote that you can do once to Give! Someone! A! Pet! JoseV (2): zzyzx, LordNad TNL (1): Sandwolf Yuming (2): KK, Voodoofly Tokes (5): merk, CapnAndy, Amni, yuming, Liger Zzyzx (1): jivjoy Hambeet (1): Vivat I did not count posts where someone voted for two people. Voting closes at 8pm or the Lynch, whichever comes first.
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May 5, 2020 18:24
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CCKeane posted:I specifically mention this and, importantly, Voodooflys cites his meta, the most recent of which is 8 years ago.
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May 5, 2020 18:45
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kumba posted:gonna do a reread while i eat this grilled cheese what kind of bread did you use
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May 5, 2020 19:01
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merk posted:Hi, can we discuss how DBD is so carefully posting today that he might be sitting at a computer with a mask and gloves on? Yeah I see it. I wasn't a fan of DBD voting Varinn, not really pursuing it and then voting yuming pretty soon after. Looks a lot like voting for the sake of voting and not due to any serious suspicion.
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May 5, 2020 19:22
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry, but do you actually need telling that someone might change their mind over the course of 8 god darn years, and that they might misremember events so that they always held the opinions they hold now? Buddy, you're getting awfully mad that I just did what my good pal Voodoofly requested.
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May 5, 2020 19:32
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CapnAndy posted:I'm sorry, but do you actually need telling that someone might change their mind over the course of 8 god darn years, and that they might misremember events so that they always held the opinions they hold now? Also, it's well noted that you cut off my conclusions here and a major reason as to why it's suspicious.
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May 5, 2020 19:33
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I am barking up the right tree seeing as there's suddenly people trying to go for me. merk also provided no reasoning to his statement, just made a general statement. Talk about safe posting.
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May 5, 2020 19:45
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The Ninth Layer posted:Yeah I see it. I wasn't a fan of DBD voting Varinn, not really pursuing it and then voting yuming pretty soon after. Looks a lot like voting for the sake of voting and not due to any serious suspicion. I'm being transparent with my thought process. hambeet was posting things about yuming, and zzyzx's question got me questioning what scum would do in that situation, and I wrote how I would also be fine voting yuming in that exact post. I think scum would sink their teeth into a case like that instead of making it on second thought, so my vote switched, even though the reasoning for not liking Varinn's D1 are all still there. It may not be a home run megacase or anything, but I don't do those unless I'm 100% sure. D1 is mostly gut stuff for me and yuming is pinging it like mad.
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May 5, 2020 19:58
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Deadbeat Dad posted:I am barking up the right tree seeing as there's suddenly people trying to go for me. Who, out of the people going for you, is scum and why?
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yuming posted:##vote DBD yuming's second OMGUS vote of the day 
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