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Youth Decay posted:He certainly seems to share their old anti-vaccination views. Which is a dangerous conspiracy theory during a pandemic. Still a lesser evil than Biden's murderous conspiracy theory that left hundreds of thousands of dead strewn across the middle east. If I understand liberal logic correctly, if we don't vote for Ventura or someone like him then we will be responsible for Trump's re-election.
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May 5, 2020 17:19
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VitalSigns posted:Yes you did, I asked you how Ventura's beliefs were more harmful than Biden's and you cited Sandy Hook trutherism, so you were either claiming he is a Sandy Hook truther or you were just being intentional disingenuous How are you on the internet in this day and age and don't realize that sandy hook truthers are the exact same community as 9/11 truthers?
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May 5, 2020 17:19
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I'll go ahead and say that while I've never seen his show, hosting a show that is "fair and balanced" to outlandish conspiracy theories is Not Great because people are stupid and will believe anything they see on TV, but it's absurd to insist that because he hosted the show he must believe every conspiracy theory from every person he interviewed. That's so childish it's hilarious that the person claiming that is playacting at being The Adult In The Room
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May 5, 2020 17:19
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Xombie posted:How are you on the internet in this day and age and don't realize that sandy hook truthers are the exact same community as 9/11 truthers? Trabisnikof posted:Why do you keep ignoring all the people Biden's conspiracy theories have killed? Do they not count because they're mostly foreigners or what?
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May 5, 2020 17:20
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Xombie posted:How are you on the internet in this day and age and don't realize that sandy hook truthers are the exact same community as 9/11 truthers? OK so you are claiming that Ventura is a Sandy Hook truther after all, then? yes or no
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May 5, 2020 17:20
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Look, I will vote for the senile conservative rapist if it means a 0.000000001% reduction in suffering, but I absolutely draw the line of accepting support for M4A from the guy who hosted a conspiracy show and the MMA guy who thought the moon landing was fake. It's called having principles.
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May 5, 2020 17:21
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As far as conspiracy theories go, I'll take an anti-vaxxer over a free market evangelist. It's called voting for the lesser evil, and it's the adult thing to do.
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May 5, 2020 17:21
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Xombie posted:How are you on the internet in this day and age and don't realize that sandy hook truthers are the exact same community as 9/11 truthers? So you backpedaled away from calling him a Sandy Hook truther, and now you're forepedaling back around to it again? Make up your mind and speak plainly.
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May 5, 2020 17:22
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VitalSigns posted:I'll go ahead and say that while I've never seen his show, hosting a show that is "fair and balanced" to outlandish conspiracy theories is Not Great because people are stupid and will believe anything they see on TV, but it's absurd to insist that because he hosted the show he must believe every conspiracy theory from every person he interviewed. Would you apply this standard to everyone? Because I don't think you would. Joe Rogan is constantly, and rightly, criticized for giving "fair and balanced" airtime to literal white supremacists. Is he just not getting a fair shake?
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May 5, 2020 17:22
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Xombie posted:The idea that conspiracy nuts are as harmless as ghost hunters when they're literally linked to violent extremism is quite a thing. I'm genuinely less worried about some idiot who thinks a lizard man shot a ray gun at the WTC than someone voting for a man who's decades long career is filled with supporting violence both domestic and abroad.
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May 5, 2020 17:22
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Xombie posted:How are you on the internet in this day and age and don't realize that sandy hook truthers are the exact same community as 9/11 truthers? lol I love this poo poo. "You idiot, you loving moron child. I lied."
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May 5, 2020 17:23
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Xombie posted:Would you apply this standard to everyone? Because I don't think you would. Can you tell us why you keep ignoring all the people Biden's conspiracy theories have killed? Do they not count because they're mostly foreigners or what?
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May 5, 2020 17:25
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COVID-19 posted:Can you tell us why you keep ignoring all the people Biden's conspiracy theories have killed? Do they not count because they're mostly foreigners or what? Why would I answer them? I'm not defending Biden. Saying Biden is bad is correct.
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May 5, 2020 17:26
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Epic High Five posted:As far as conspiracy theories go, I'll take an anti-vaxxer over a free market evangelist. It's called voting for the lesser evil, and it's the adult thing to do. This doesn't make you look as smart and clever as you think it does.
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May 5, 2020 17:30
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Xombie posted:Would you apply this standard to everyone? Because I don't think you would. Yeah dude, thank god we chased away the guy with a massive platform who said he would vote for Bernie and supports M4A. Can't let a monster who platforms right wingers into our tent. *puts on MSNBC to watch all my favorite CIA spooks, Iraq war architects, and literally every Republican willing to say "Trump bad"*
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is pepsi ok posted:Yeah dude, thank god we chased away the guy with a massive platform who said he would vote for Bernie and supports M4A. Can't let a monster who platforms right wingers into our tent. MSNBC does not, at least, bring actual nazis on their program to tell the nazi side of the story. Not a fan of the network for the bias it showed against Bernie, but you're not arguing in anything close to good faith here friend.
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May 5, 2020 17:32
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May 5, 2020 17:34
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The biggest problem with Ventura is that he teeters right on the edge between "free speech"/"free thinker"/"just asking questions" and full alt-right. Alex Jones jumped that line years ago, even Dennis Kucinich did it. Ventura is nowhere near as far gone as Jones but he knows what side his bread is buttered on, he was heavily involved in the Ron Paul campaigns and has seen how easy it is to free those people of their unnecessary fiat currency. I swear this place has gone off the deep end. Biden is a terrible candidate, bad person, lovely option. Rebutting arguments against other lovely options with "but Biden is worse!" is dumb as hell.
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May 5, 2020 17:34
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How are u posted:This doesn't make you look as smart and clever as you think it does. I'm just looking for incremental improvements and harm reduction, if you choose to believe that people opposing a vaccine that doesn't exist have done more harm in this pandemic than putting for-profit philosophies and institutions in charge of the response and vote on that presumption, I respect that as your choice
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May 5, 2020 17:35
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Youth Decay posted:The biggest problem with Ventura is that he teeters right on the edge between "free speech"/"free thinker"/"just asking questions" and full alt-right. Alex Jones jumped that line years ago, even Dennis Kucinich did it. Ventura is nowhere near as far gone as Jones but he knows what side his bread is buttered on, he was heavily involved in the Ron Paul campaigns and has seen how easy it is to free those people of their unnecessary fiat currency. Biden is the one ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR loving PRESIDENT THOUGH Holy poo poo!
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May 5, 2020 17:36
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Youth Decay posted:The biggest problem with Ventura is that he teeters right on the edge between "free speech"/"free thinker"/"just asking questions" and full alt-right. Alex Jones jumped that line years ago, even Dennis Kucinich did it. Ventura is nowhere near as far gone as Jones but he knows what side his bread is buttered on, he was heavily involved in the Ron Paul campaigns and has seen how easy it is to free those people of their unnecessary fiat currency. It is pretty interesting that one of the arguments for Bernie or Bust was "Bernie has the only plan to fight climate change, everybody else leads to doom", and the response to "Ventura denies climate change exists" is "whatever he's not Biden". 
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May 5, 2020 17:38
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Xombie posted:Why would I answer them? I'm not defending Biden. Saying Biden is bad is correct. Which conspiracy theorist is worse? Biden or Ventura?
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May 5, 2020 17:40
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How are u posted:It is pretty interesting that one of the arguments for Bernie or Bust was "Bernie has the only plan to fight climate change, everybody else leads to doom", and the response to "Ventura denies climate change exists" is "whatever he's not Biden". https://twitter.com/GovJVentura/status/1253171731658878976 indeed
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May 5, 2020 17:41
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How are u posted:MSNBC does not, at least, bring actual nazis on their program to tell the nazi side of the story. Not a fan of the network for the bias it showed against Bernie, but you're not arguing in anything close to good faith here friend. Bush-supporting architects of the Iraq war are more racist and more dangerous than alt-right morons. Never Trump conservatives are at least as personally awful as MAGA people, and their affluence and influence makes them a greater threat. Now go ahead and pretend like I just vowed support for Nazis because it'll let you slither out of this while feeling like a good person.
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May 5, 2020 17:42
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How are u posted:MSNBC does not, at least, bring actual nazis on their program to tell the nazi side of the story. Not a fan of the network for the bias it showed against Bernie, but you're not arguing in anything close to good faith here friend. the CIA/FBI ghouls they bring on to talk about how honorable and good intel agencies are have done more harm in the past 50 years than the Nazis have and as a queer Jew I'm much more afraid of them being 'normalized'
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1581936/ "Whether global warming is real or not, some people are using the issue to make billions of dollars, start a one-world government-- and control our lives, from the cars we drive to the food we eat!?"
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Xombie posted:Would you apply this standard to everyone? Because I don't think you would. Joe Biden gave Strom Thurmond's eulogy and published letters of praise from literal white supremacists thanking him for working with them to defeat civil rights legislation The interesting thing about this, is that your argument hinges on the fact that I reject your lesser evilism philosophy and vote purely on principle. By any lesser evil analysis, being a Sandy Hook Truther as disgusting and harmful as it is, has not killed a million people so it's objectively less harmful than Biden's Saddam trutherism. Or Joe Rogan, as gross and ignorant as he can be, is demonstrably less racist than Biden, if you compare for example their stance on caging refugee children (Rogan is vehemently against it), or their opinions on whether Strom Thurmond is good, actually. So if I were to accept your lesser evilism philosophy Ventura or Rogan are less evil than Biden. If I am to vote on principle, sure I would never vote for a Sandy Hook Truther (if Ventura were one, which he isn't, even you are only relying on insinuation and character assassination to claim he might as well be) but by that same token I would never vote for a mass murdering war criminal rapist either.
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May 5, 2020 17:43
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Oh excellent, glad he's come to accept the science. Enjoy your 3rd party vote, folks.
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May 5, 2020 17:44
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How are u posted:MSNBC does not, at least, bring actual nazis on their program to tell the nazi side of the story. Not a fan of the network for the bias it showed against Bernie, but you're not arguing in anything close to good faith here friend. NYT does
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Xombie posted:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1581936/ in 2009 Biden was opposed to gay marriage, but I've granted he's probably moved on and doesn't represent a threat to that institution. I'm willing to extend the same to Jesse on this, in part because the Green plan to address it is not something somebody looking to triangulate would embrace sexpig by night posted:the CIA/FBI ghouls they bring on to talk about how honorable and good intel agencies are have done more harm in the past 50 years than the Nazis have and as a queer Jew I'm much more afraid of them being 'normalized' I'd like to see a breakdown of how many socialists, anarchists, and Palestinian rights advocates have been on MSNBC versus Rogan
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How are u posted:Oh excellent, glad he's come to accept the science. Enjoy your 3rd party vote, folks. He literally says he hasn’t filed in the tweet you quoted.
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May 5, 2020 17:47
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Xombie posted:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1581936/ I trust him more than Joe Biden, who's fought green agendas since day 1
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Xombie posted:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1581936/ which part of this do you take issue with?
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May 5, 2020 17:48
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Xombie posted:https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1581936/ So your argument is that people's actual beliefs are irrelevant, and they must automatically believe anything anyone they talk to believes? Because I have bad news about Joe Biden's climate-denying Republican friends!
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VitalSigns posted:The interesting thing about this, is that your argument hinges on the fact that I reject your lesser evilism philosophy and vote purely on principle. Do you not understand how this is the opposite of what's going on here. Your entire argument here of Ventura's conspiracy nut opinions and platforming being defensible because you don't think he's as bad as Biden hinges on lesser evilism. Nothing about Ventura being objectively bad because of these things hinges on "lesser evilism". quote:If I am to vote on principle, sure I would never vote for a Sandy Hook Truther (if Ventura were one, which he isn't, even you are only relying on insinuation and character assassination to claim he might as well be) but by that same token I would never vote for a mass murdering war criminal rapist either. I have literally never told anyone to vote for Joe Biden.
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How are u posted:Oh excellent, glad he's come to accept the science. Enjoy your 3rd party vote, folks. This is yet another thing you don't get. People who aren't beholden to a political party and corporate donors actually can be pulled left.
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Xombie posted:Do you not understand how this is the opposite of what's going on here. Your entire argument here of Ventura's conspiracy nut opinions and platforming being defensible because you don't think he's as bad as Biden hinges on lesser evilism. Nothing about Ventura being objectively bad because of these things hinges on "lesser evilism". ventura's not even running, why are you wasting a million calories over this? are you just doing it for the love of the game? did you wake up and mix your scalding hot coffee with a scolding cold one this morning? did you just want to browse through imdb today? which is it?
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Phone posted:ventura's not even running, why are you wasting a million calories over this? are you just doing it for the love of the game? did you wake up and mix your scalding hot coffee with a scolding cold one this morning? did you just want to browse through imdb today? which is it? It's probably loads easier to yell about a strawman version of Ventura than it is to discuss the realities of the actual candidates in the general election.
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VitalSigns posted:So your argument is that people's actual beliefs are irrelevant, and they must automatically believe anything anyone they talk to believes? Platforming people like Alex Jones and people of his ilk isn't irrelevant. Phone posted:which part of this do you take issue with? The part where all of that is about global warming is a hoax.
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