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sweeperbravo posted:I think a lot of kids are like this, at least I was. It's really hard to understand the idea of "camp" before you can even grasp sarcasm and like abstract thinking. You either unironically like something or unironically don't, and you haven't yet had the realization that your subjective opinions don't reflect actual quality Isn't that why sixties Batman has such enduring appeal? Kids take it totally seriously and enjoy the action, then grow up and find it's still entertaining in a different way.
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Gaius Marius posted:Dalton's films are both top ten and I hate when people dismiss him, his films were doing everything Craig's did, better, a decade before he was even cast. 
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Sunswipe posted:Isn't that why sixties Batman has such enduring appeal? Kids take it totally seriously and enjoy the action, then grow up and find it's still entertaining in a different way. I love it purely for Romero saying "gently caress off, I ain't shaving."
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Gaius Marius posted:Dalton's films are both top ten and I hate when people dismiss him, his films were doing everything Craig's did, better, a decade before he was even cast. Craig's Bond goes too gritty. The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people.
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chitoryu12 posted:Craig's Bond goes too gritty. The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people. Yeah, the dark and gritty version of Bond is the opposite of what anybody wants from Bond
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Sunswipe posted:Isn't that why sixties Batman has such enduring appeal? Kids take it totally seriously and enjoy the action, then grow up and find it's still entertaining in a different way. Absolutely. A lot of well-written family media is like this. It's absolutely straight-faced on the surface and works entirely on its own merits if taken that way, and when you realise it's meant to be funny and all the more so for being straight-faced. It's just a matter of when you pick up on it. And of course, maybe you just enjoy it seriously your whole life. chitoryu12 posted:Craig's Bond goes too gritty. The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people. I feel Skyfall is the best Craig movie in significant part because it isn't afraid to get silly, though also being gritty. Especially with how the finale is basically the stereotypical Bond finale with the roles reversed. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 15:37 on May 4, 2020 |
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I'll never get the Manly soap poo poo, I don't want to smell like smoke or bacon when I shower. If I shower it's because I'm trying to get rid of smells like those, so I go for the foamburst soaps like Ocean Breeze or Japanese Spa because I want to smell clean after a loving shower.
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May 4, 2020 15:49
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And I thought Lynx/Axe already had that market covered back in the day with the flourescent coloured shower gels in trendily shaped plastic bottles with black caps. Maybe too many people tried to drink them.
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chitoryu12 posted:Craig's Bond goes too gritty. The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people. I sat and thought about it a lot one night and realized the reason I dislike Craig so much is he's the only bond who doesn't want to be bond. Every other actor to portray him is 110% down to travel to exotic lands, drive fast cars, sleep with beautiful women, and maybe stop a nuclear threat. Craig is constantly either running from the job or thinking about quitting. It's lame as hell.
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May 4, 2020 22:42
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BioEnchanted posted:I'll never get the Manly soap poo poo, I don't want to smell like smoke or bacon when I shower. If I shower it's because I'm trying to get rid of smells like those, so I go for the foamburst soaps like Ocean Breeze or Japanese Spa because I want to smell clean after a loving shower. If they really wanted those smells they could work as line cooks for a week, from experience I can tell you that no amount of showering will get the smell of food out of your clothes.
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May 4, 2020 22:55
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chitoryu12 posted:Craig's Bond goes too gritty. The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people. I think Casino Royale would have been a better movie if they filed off the serial numbers and made it have nothing to do with the franchise. It wouldn't have been nearly as successful a movie though.
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I don't know who Timothy Dalton is except he voiced a fairy king or something in the Tinkerbell movies
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Pick posted:I don't know who Timothy Dalton is except he voiced a fairy king or something in the Tinkerbell movies He also voiced a stuffed bear in Toy Story 3. Not the main villain, the Shakespearean actor
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May 4, 2020 23:37
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Don Gato posted:He also voiced a stuffed bear in Toy Story 3. Hedgehog.
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May 4, 2020 23:39
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Dalton was good in Penny Dreadful.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Dalton was good in Hot Fuzz.
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Don Gato posted:If they really wanted those smells they could work as line cooks for a week, from experience I can tell you that no amount of showering will get the smell of food out of your clothes. Body wash that smells like an overflowing grease trap
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This is what Bond always looked like in my head in the novels
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pretty soft girl posted:This is what Bond always looked like in my head in the novels Oh, he 100% took early retirement to become a douchey rural supermarket magnate, that's why Pierce Brosnan had to step on board.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Dalton was good in Doom Patrol. Which you should watch
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Don Gato posted:If they really wanted those smells they could work as line cooks for a week, from experience I can tell you that no amount of showering will get the smell of food out of your clothes. Why are you wearing clothes in the shower? 
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chitoryu12 posted:The Fleming version of Bond is basically a charming idiot surviving on his excellent skills at killing people. That and rolling his eyes at those swarthy natives who have the gall to think they could come anywhere near to the level of civilization of Britain. (Please note, this also includes women)
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Captain Hygiene posted:Oh, he 100% took early retirement to become a douchey rural supermarket magnate, that's why Pierce Brosnan had to step on board. I've always liked the idea that "James Bond" is an identity that goes with the 007 number and gets assigned to a new agent every so often. Connery was Bond until he decided to retire or take a different position in MI6. Lazenby briefly takes over but never recovers from the death of his wife, so Connery reluctantly returns to the role on the understanding he can hunt down Blofeld to avenge his friend's wife. He then retires once more and Moore becomes Bond until he gets too old, and is replaced by Dalton. Dalton never returns after quitting in License to Kill. Then Goldeneye screws it up by having an intro sequence set in 1986 with Brosnan as Bond, when it should have been either Moore or Dalton, and I stop caring about the series.
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Sunswipe posted:I've always liked the idea that "James Bond" is an identity that goes with the 007 number and gets assigned to a new agent every so often. Connery was Ironically, this is the theory that one of the Brosnan Bond directors actually ascribed to. The big problem for the theory as I know it, at least for a long time, was that Bond's wife from Lazenby's movie had her grave visited by Moore in one of his movies. And of course, then Skyfall turns up and goes 'it's all the same Bond, don't think too hard about how that doesn't make sense'.
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Frazzbo posted:Why are you wearing clothes in the shower? Because he's not a loving pervert
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Frazzbo posted:Why are you wearing clothes in the shower? To save money on laundry detergent, duh
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Sunswipe posted:I've always liked the idea that "James Bond" is an identity that goes with the 007 number and gets assigned to a new agent every so often. Connery was This theory has always been dumb. Moore visits Theresa's grave in one of the films openings, Dalton's bond has an emotional moment when Felix mentions he's been married before. One of brosnans films shows him to have gadgets from every other era of bond. Until Craig it was all the same bond on a sliding timeline.
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Gaius Marius posted:This theory has always been dumb. Moore visits Theresa's grave in one of the films openings, Dalton's bond has an emotional moment when Felix mentions he's been married before. One of brosnans films shows him to have gadgets from every other era of bond. Until Craig it was all the same bond on a sliding timeline. ... aka poorly managed intellectual property.
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Gaius Marius posted:This theory has always been dumb. Moore visits Theresa's grave in one of the films openings, Dalton's bond has an emotional moment when Felix mentions he's been married before. One of brosnans films shows him to have gadgets from every other era of bond. Until Craig it was all the same bond on a sliding timeline. That's how the books generally went as well, after Fleming's death. Fleming himself slid the timeline a bit (as he established a solid retirement age of 45 for 00 agents and realized Bond would age out after 12 years of adventures), but the subsequent authors would just move the timeline as they saw fit. John Gardner wrote Bond as being the same age as Fleming left off but contemporary (1981), and he would keep going like that for over a decade. Then Jeffery Deaver wrote a post-9/11 Bond who was an Afghanistan veteran. In case you haven't seen it, I have an ongoing thread reading all of the Bond novels written by other authors after having finished all the Fleming books.
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I didn't know until after trying to watch a James Bond movie that they were not supposed to be serious so my reaction was kind of "what the hell is this silly poo poo" and I've not really been interested in them since. Like I thought the Austin Powers movies were a goofy James Bond but it was already goofy.
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Austin Powers kinda messed with Bond movies since it made it harder to take them seriously, and I think it was then that Die Another Day tripled down on the special effects extravaganzas and just became even more ridiculous. Around Casino Royale I remember people saying Bond had become Bourne.
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The thing about the Bond movies is that they've actually always been reactionary to other trends in the market, rather than pioneering. The script for Dr. No toned down much of the violence and sexual content of the book and added more humor to balance it, which gave the impression of James Bond as a suave and witty spy who always had a one-liner. This reached the point where Roger Moore's Bond is almost a parody of himself and most of his movies are either directly related to current news and events or copying popular genres like blaxsploitation or sci-fi. Timothy Dalton's films were made in the wake of Miami Vice and grittier action media (the costumer even almost put Bond in Sonny Crockett outfits in License to Kill until he personally vetoed that and dressed himself), Brosnan's were classic 90s action films, and Craig's are emulating the Bourne films and other more grounded action media.
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May 5, 2020 18:42
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Just turn Atomic Blonde into a franchise and be done with it.
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hyperhazard posted:Just turn Atomic Blonde into a franchise and be done with it. Atomic Bond?
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Was Atomic Blonde good?
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The James Bond IP is the Final Fantasy of movies. I'm going to regret posting this because now we're going to see riled up FF fans.
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Looking forward to seeing James Bond 00-VII Remake in theaters once this whole pandemic thing blows over.
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hyperhazard posted:Just turn Atomic Blonde into a franchise and be done with it. It's time for Modesty Blaise to finally get the films she deserves.
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