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Deadbeat Dad posted:I'm really about to lose it actually. Yeah dude, I can tell you're getting frustrated and I think, like, especially now it's easy to get frustrated and to have things feel really lovely. I'm sorry you're not having a good time and I hope you come back fresh and feeling better.
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merk posted:Who is scum and why Now what does that have to do with why it's bad for me to ask dbd to defend himself properly but cool for you to do it two posts later, because... bruh.
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May 5, 2020 22:52
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Tom Tucker posted:I am happy to move my vote if needed, I am the only one voting him, but I encourage everyone to reconsider LordNad. His vote is currently sitting on Liger and after it became clear there wasn't going to be much heat on him (people flat out said they were ignoring the interactions) he disappeared. Here's all his content over the past two days: Going back and visiting LordNad, this feels really weak and I'm surprised there has been a push of momentum towards them.
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May 5, 2020 22:54
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CapnAndy posted:lmao ah yes let me give you my list of very good cases generated here, on day 1. When I've got a read I'll tell you guys about it! I told DBD to convince us someone else is scum. You’re asking DBD to convince us he is town. The name of the game is to find scum. Who do you think it is and why?
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May 5, 2020 22:55
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merk posted:This is going to sound really crappy of me, and I’m sorry, but the frustration you’re trying to evoke is not ringing true. Your post is just too long for that frustration to actually be realistic. merk rhymes with jerk
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May 5, 2020 22:55
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merk posted:I told DBD to convince us someone else is scum. Putting it this way is a good point.
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May 5, 2020 22:56
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Jose Valasquez posted:I'm on call for work and everything has been blowing up all day so I might not have a lot of time to read or post before the deadline. I realize I probably tunneled on Liger. If you aren't crazy with either case who do you think is scum?
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May 5, 2020 22:57
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I don't buy the DBD case, and so far I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary with yuming. LordNad's not my first choice, but I'd do that one to avoid a no-lynch.
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May 5, 2020 22:57
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The Ninth Layer posted:Wouldn't voting for the easy target be an easy point of entry to the thread? yuming posted:What I said wasn't "easy-target" it was an "easy point of entry to the thread." yuming posted:I think ham reads like scum coming into a situation with outside knowledge. The clearest answer I can give is when I used the phrase easy target I am referring to the fact if scum entered the thread after Amni got three votes they certainly aren't going to want to add another knowing he is town. They are going to want to fake something else, and the easy point of entry is to go after those votes with the scum knowledge that everyone involved is town.
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May 5, 2020 22:57
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CapnAndy posted:lmao ah yes let me give you my list of very good cases generated here, on day 1. When I've got a read I'll tell you guys about it! It’s not really a great move as a townie, if that’s what you are, to constantly describe D1 as a desert of content. How have you made it this far without any reads? I don’t think you’re scum cuz you took a similar line of logic in HP, but like, there’s a lot to go on out there. If you think DBD is town (and you appear to), who’s a better candidate to lunch today? Merk’s statement is good
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May 5, 2020 23:01
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merk posted:I told DBD to convince us someone else is scum. This one, didn’t want to paraphrase, I think it’s very succinctly put here
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May 5, 2020 23:01
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Yeah, I looked over Lord Nad and it kind of feels like essentially a lurker execution.
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May 5, 2020 23:01
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CCKeane posted:Yeah, I looked over Lord Nad and it kind of feels like essentially a lurker execution. I'm worried he's probably not going to be around prior to the deadline to answer anything.
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May 5, 2020 23:03
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CCKeane posted:Yeah, I looked over Lord Nad and it kind of feels like essentially a lurker execution. who do you want to lunch then if it’s Voodoofly on a eight year old meta case, surely you know that will convince no one, so who else?
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May 5, 2020 23:03
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zzyzx posted:I'm worried he's probably not going to be around prior to the deadline to answer anything. He *just* posted to unvote
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May 5, 2020 23:03
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He posted just before I did earlier, never mind.
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May 5, 2020 23:03
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Sandwolf posted:He *just* posted to unvote As soon as he started getting heat again, no less
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May 5, 2020 23:04
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I'm also not feeling Liger. I think we have a CASE of BADCASEITIS.
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May 5, 2020 23:04
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LordNad posted:I realize I probably tunneled on Liger. If you aren't crazy with either case who do you think is scum? I don't have a strong scum read on anyone (which is pretty typical for D1). LIGER is my strongest town read just based on the difference between how he played HP and how he is playing here. zzyzx has pinged my townie-gut too. Keane is putting a lot of effort into the game, which is a little surprising to me given the persona Keane has been cultivating for the last decade+ but it is basically a null read. I don't think Amni is a sk day-vig so I doubt he is scum, I'd rather not launch him today. Andy seems a lot like HP Andy, so he's a town read for me as well.
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May 5, 2020 23:05
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zzyzx posted:I'm worried he's probably not going to be around prior to the deadline to answer anything. I'm here, I'm just in Japan but set an alarm specifically to be up and here before the deadline for discussion. Looking back I don't like Kumba's vote or content.
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May 5, 2020 23:05
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Sandwolf posted:if it’s Voodoofly on a eight year old meta case, surely you know that will convince no one, so who else? It is really weird how you keep misrepresenting this
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May 5, 2020 23:05
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yuming posted:Even looking back at the whole posts TNL is asking me about I don't really understand what he's getting at. Why are you talking about some hypothetical fourth voter scum and writing off the first three votes here?
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May 5, 2020 23:05
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yuming posted:Even looking back at the whole posts TNL is asking me about I don't really understand what he's getting at. Or, and bear with me here, they were calling out what they saw as horseshit opportunism.
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May 5, 2020 23:06
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The Ninth Layer posted:Why are you talking about some hypothetical fourth voter scum and writing off the first three votes here?  Or Varinn.Also, I agree with what Jose said about LIGER. His tone here is different. I think he is town.
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May 5, 2020 23:09
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Sandwolf posted:who do you want to lunch then I mean, it's cool that you're breaking my case down into "AN EIGHT YEAR OLD META CASE", so here it is, again: -Voodoofly suggested voting lurkers very early. -I asked him why he thought this would benefit town. -He didn't answer the question, instead saying, effectively, that it was his meta. -I asked him to give examples of when he's done this, he said to check his past games. -I checked his past games, he didn't do it, I asked him what's up with that. I think that Voodoofly may be trying to play toward what he feels is his established meta. This isn't a natural move and is something folks would do if they are scum. This is my case. Please note that Voodoofly keeps leaning on his meta! He isn't really addressing why we should vote lurkers. He isn't presenting a convincing case of it. He is saying "it's my meta." That's bad! He should say "I see you don't think we should execute lurkers! Here is why I say we should!" I really feel like some people just full on aren't reading what I'm saying and what happened, and are fixating on "lol 8 years!" It's obnoxious! The other people are scum, and at least they have an excuse for it! THAT SAID, I'd probably go CapnAndy again.
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May 5, 2020 23:11
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Okay so remind me again why the people voting for easy target Amnistar weren't making an easy entry into the thread?
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May 5, 2020 23:12
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merk is pulling a long form version of “u mad?” keane is reading 8 year old games to case someone momentum is building on someone based on the idea that a scum player would bail as soon as they got the overwhelming heat of two votes. This game is very entertaining.
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May 5, 2020 23:13
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CCKeane posted:THAT SAID, I'd probably go CapnAndy again. The one thing that jumped out at me about Andy was that, if you put his posts in HP mafia side-by-side with his posts in this one and took the names off, I'd swear up and down they were written by different people. I normally try to avoid that kind of stuff, but the difference was so jarring even I noticed it.
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May 5, 2020 23:13
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Gut calls here, but I think yuming's points on Hambeet resonated a bit, and I do feel like somebody made some good points on Kumba. Has anybody been tracking the pet status btw? I still haven't voted, I'd like to give a pet to yuming but if that's a lost cause then I'll check the vote leader situation.
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May 5, 2020 23:13
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CapnAndy posted:Okay, calm down. Talk to me; I haven't said anything about you yet. Why is the case against you bad? Not why is yuming the bad one, actually, why are you good? I'm "good" because my opinions have been out there and independent of anyone accusing me prior to it. I'm being falsely attributed to being fueled by OMGUS when both of my votes were not OMGUS. I do think being able to get information from people who vote you or suspect you is important and needed, something I do often and will do this game if left alive, but it doesn't mean I find everybody who votes me scummy, just the ones who I feel have forced/baseless reasoning. merk fits that bill. Why are they bad? The cases seem disingenuous, especially merk's. Any time I point out a clear rebuttal or hypocritical statement, it goes ignored and people "me too" a merk post that has been addressed already by me. The crux of merk's argument is that I have thrown out safe opinions and that I'm not scumhunting, I think I'm doing both. My vote is where I think scum will flip. I don't understand how voting with gut mixed with things I don't like that yuming (or Varinn) has/had done are "no risk opinions" and merk has yet to give a satisfactory answer to that. I wrote the "barking up the right tree" comment because I think when people are right D1, there is more push back and arguing.The whole traction post from Amnistar is bad because scum want to find a safe, agreeable lunch. I think I fit that bill since I look bad to a lot of people for dubious reasons. CCKeane posted:Can you elaborate on this and how this has affected your play today? Again with my barking up the right tree comment, I think I have stirred the hornet's nest a little bringing attention to yuming, aka a harder to swallow lunch. One that has "no traction" in a game full of people that had 1-2 votes besides Liger at the time. The fact that I'm not trying to package it neatly and that I found an inherent wrongness about yuming/potentially merk bothers people. There has been much more to take in with me/merk/TNL/yuming than anybody else, especially if one of us flips. I also think scum would be just fine lunching LordNad or Liger, both people who haven't been too active in their defense--players who have are targeted as people they'd be okay with as a last second/emergency lunch, and I don't want it to go in that direction even if at my expense.
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May 5, 2020 23:14
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CCKeane posted:Yeah, I looked over Lord Nad and it kind of feels like essentially a lurker execution. ditto
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May 5, 2020 23:14
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zzyzx posted:The one thing that jumped out at me about Andy was that, if you put his posts in HP mafia side-by-side with his posts in this one and took the names off, I'd swear up and down they were written by different people. I normally try to avoid that kind of stuff, but the difference was so jarring even I noticed it. zzyzx, it's absolutely ridiculous to read past games to make a case, please be serious.
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May 5, 2020 23:14
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##vote Kumba I still think this is a good vote.
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May 5, 2020 23:15
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CCKeane posted:zzyzx, it's absolutely ridiculous to read past games to make a case, please be serious. I know when to defer to the experts. Duly noted.
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May 5, 2020 23:15
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The Ninth Layer posted:Okay so remind me again why the people voting for easy target Amnistar weren't making an easy entry into the thread? I'm not going to answer why-you-think-I'm-scum. I am also going to workout now. ttyl thread.
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May 5, 2020 23:16
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https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3921683&pagenumber=19&perpage=40#post504625331
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May 5, 2020 23:16
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Sandwolf posted:As soon as he started getting heat again, no less hmmmmm
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Deadbeat Dad posted:I'm "good" because my opinions have been out there and independent of anyone accusing me prior to it. I'm being falsely attributed to being fueled by OMGUS when both of my votes were not OMGUS. I do think being able to get information from people who vote you or suspect you is important and needed, something I do often and will do this game if left alive, but it doesn't mean I find everybody who votes me scummy, just the ones who I feel have forced/baseless reasoning. merk fits that bill. It kind of feels like you're thinking more that yuming is scum because you got a negative reaction to your case on her, kind of strengthening your call there, would that be close to about where you are?
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May 5, 2020 23:16
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okay i am now done with my shitshow of a workday. lets crack this case open
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kumba posted:okay i am now done with my shitshow of a workday. lets crack this case open Kumba says, opening up a nice fresh coors light.
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