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hooman posted:Imagine being so poo poo that even the Fair Work Commission is like "whoa settle down there fellas". Ah yeah but sometimes it's because you've been forced. I don't think McDonald's and the SDA are a good example but the NUW and CFMEU had agreements knocked back because sometimes companies just beat you. I'm not defending the SDA or this situation though just chatting fair work because it interests me. I might get the decision and have a look for fun because I am an exciting person with lots on. E: I have done the knife in the dark letting companies submit hosed agreements as an organising tool, but this ain't that.
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Sierra Madre posted:But they are open. They just don't allow you to sit inside. Is that all they're mad about? It's actually out of character for them and I was more surprised than shocked. I can rationalize it away by saying it's more about their insufferable hubby than themselves. Up until today they've been pretty sensible about it. Meanwhile actual mum is reposting "Plandemic" propaganda on FB which is far more disturbing. Also I lost my job but don't get jobseeker. Apparently I'm eligible for ~$78 per fortnight plus corona plus rent assistance but the rate of pay is nil due to partner income. As a couple we're still doing better than a lot out there I guess but I can't wrap my head around nil payment especially when everyone is telling me the partner threshold is well above what my partner is getting paid. The Sausages fucked around with this message at 09:43 on May 6, 2020 |
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Electric Wrigglies posted:In relation to the Macdonalds appeal to change the conditions. RAFFWU does it again. Imagine if they had been around 20 years ago.
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lol at the ACTU being to the right of the loving fair work commission
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What's up with Sally, she's gone right ever since Bill lost.
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The Sausages posted:It's actually out of character for them and I was more surprised than shocked. I can rationalize it away by saying it's more about their insufferable hubby than themselves. Up until today they've been pretty sensible about it. What is your partners income? If you don’t mind. It seems like this should be a fairly black and white issue?
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Anidav posted:What's up with Sally, she's gone right ever since Bill lost. she was always trash, sorry. A Company Trade Union
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thatbastardken posted:she was always trash, sorry. Haha wow
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JBP posted:Haha wow yeah that's probably unfair on the other hand what has she actually done as head of the ACTU? workers rights haven't exactly advanced, the ALP hasn't flourished in elections, she's no help to the unemployed...
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Sally McManus was cool when she said workers should go on unlawful strike, and then has never said or done anything good since
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drunkill posted:https://twitter.com/Fi_Willan/status/1257999509616877568 
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bell jar posted:Sally McManus was cool when she said workers should go on unlawful strike, and then has never said or done anything good since Perhaps she just gave up after the workers didn't go on unlawful strike. Sort of a 'welp, I'm out', but still claiming that sweet, sweet money.
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lol https://twitter.com/TimSmithMP/status/1257954381103722497 https://twitter.com/TimSmithMP/status/1257985250837139456 another hot take from 'remove the bats' tim smith. Not like there is any pandemic going on which he should be trying to help his electorate with. drunkill fucked around with this message at 13:15 on May 6, 2020 |
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May 6, 2020 13:11
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Lol at trying to get the giants to reign in their girl. Nice one Tim!
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I don't have or use twitter and even I know that what he did is called snitch tagging, and is incredibly cowardly poo poo
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drunkill posted:lol Haha he's an internet warrior.
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Tim Smith is honestly one of the worst and also dumbest MPs going round. The Victorian Libs make Albos lot look like an effective opposition. Its mind boggling how pathetic they manage to be.
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Recoome posted:Being on the Lifeline phones at the moment is nuts. Basically every 2nd call is now about suicide, usually average 1 intervention per shift now (used to be 1-4 months maybe). Interestingly but not surprisingly, ED presentations for suicidal ideation is down. I appreciate the decline in amount of work but it’s obvious that people are avoiding seeking emergency services at a time when the need for these services is probably increasing There’s a baseline level of anxiety everyone in MH seems to have. Not a lot of people identify COVID as the sole reason why they’re depressed or aggressive or dysregulated or whatever but it’s always on the list and it’s almost certainly bringing people over the threshold in terms of aggregate stress when you add it to their usual concerns
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Konomex posted:Perhaps she just gave up after the workers didn't go on unlawful strike. Sort of a 'welp, I'm out', but still claiming that sweet, sweet money. Nah, she was the chief driver behind the Change the Rules campaign, which hoovered up millions in member dues and achieved basically nothing because compared to what Cliev spent it might as well have been 50c and an expired condom. To be fair, we all got caught up in it, but it's the same trap unions have been falling into since the end of the 1980s, where you get all of the already active members hype as gently caress and spamming their own social groups, or these days, social media (which everyone outside of their own echo chamber already has on mute) and everyone high 5s each other, while nobody outside gives a gently caress, because you're not having the right conversations with the right people. It was a big ole feelgood jamboree, but nobody who wasn't already voting Labor was convinced. Hindsight being 2020, the better approach would have been to take that money and those resources and put it towards deep organising techniques that have been working really effectively in the US, which is what my branch did after the initial shock of being so goddamn wrong about the impact of what we were doing on election outcome. The idea is that instead of having morning tea with the same rusted on union mascots once a month, who show up to every meeting but haven't actually recruited a colleague since 1993, you identify the people who are already organic leaders in the workplace, and figure out what issues they consider important, offer to work with them on that - but point out that you're not going to be able to organise a decent action unless the majority of people in that area sign on. Within a few weeks suddenly they've recruited most of their office, and are running a collective action with barely any union staff or officer resources. Repeat that across a university, or a large company, and suddenly you don't just have good density - you have the people who actually keep the lights on working for you. And you don't have to have a huge team of recruiters or paid organisers on the ground going office to office endlessly to do it.
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For more information on deep organising, check out No Shortcuts, by Jane McAlevey
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Don Dongington posted:Nah, she was the chief driver behind the Change the Rules campaign, which hoovered up millions in member dues and achieved basically nothing because compared to what Cliev spent it might as well have been 50c and an expired condom. Yeah I found something similar in the Greens. Like it was nice keeping in touch with other supporters, but the real value was in finding the people who weren't extremely opposed to you, but weren't that supportive either, working out what they cared about and talking to that. A lot of people didn't get that we weren't really looking for supporters unless they were actually going to put themselves out there and volunteer, we were trying to find undecided people and leave a good enough impression they vote for us on election day.
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teacup posted:What is your partners income? If you don’t mind. It seems like this should be a fairly black and white issue? ~70k/yr, ~2.7k/fn
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The Sausages posted:~70k/yr, ~2.7k/fn https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/news/were-relaxing-income-test-jobseeker-claims quote:From 27 April 2020, the partner income limit at which your payment cancels temporarily increases to $3,068.80 gross per fortnight. I’d have a look at it? Either there’s something you’re not factoring in like some other income either of you have, or they are just wrong- because it seems like you should be eligible?
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froglet posted:Yeah I found something similar in the Greens. Like it was nice keeping in touch with other supporters, but the real value was in finding the people who weren't extremely opposed to you, but weren't that supportive either, working out what they cared about and talking to that. The only people who reached out to me and I saw active trying to do some grassroots campaigning were VicSocs. Gotta catch up and see where they're at now.
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Don Dongington posted:Nah, she was the chief driver behind the Change the Rules campaign, which hoovered up millions in member dues and achieved basically nothing because compared to what Cliev spent it might as well have been 50c and an expired condom. I was quite the fan of the idea of change the rules idea. A long term countering the narrative of the unions activity being bad/wrong because it was illegal. I think that may have partly worked in shifting that conversation, but certainly lost some steam around (i think timing wise) when Sekta became daily news. Also clearly failed to move votes, which was a bit of a problem.
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VOTE1 posted:I was quite the fan of the idea of change the rules idea. A long term countering the narrative of the unions activity being bad/wrong because it was illegal. I think that may have partly worked in shifting that conversation, but certainly lost some steam around (i think timing wise) when Sekta became daily news. Also clearly failed to move votes, which was a bit of a problem. I think the votes will come from the increased unionisation mentioned earlier.
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hambeet posted:Probably because people know we’re headed for a recession. We've been in one for a while so I'm not sure where this heading is coming from.
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Good. They've been doing some great work for 6 years and are only now being offered a seat at the table. Funnily enough Australia has a grand history of unionism for unemployed workers since the Great Depression (but not since the 70s/80s) so it is a great time to revive it. It'll hopefully have a knock-on effect of improving conditions for employed workers--good conditions for the unemployed means that employers need to offer more. trunkh posted:We've been in one for a while so I'm not sure where this heading is coming from. But per capita recessions don't count!!!
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The Before Times posted:Good. They've been doing some great work for 6 years and are only now being offered a seat at the table. Hopefully, but harder times now considering that lots of the large manufacturing that is traditionally union heavy is gone.
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Senor Tron posted:Hopefully, but harder times now considering that lots of the large manufacturing that is traditionally union heavy is gone. That's true, although there might actually be an increased focus on ensuring the Australian economy is more self-sufficient in terms of what it manufactures, given how much of a clusterfuck international logistics are at the moment.
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Les Affaires posted:I think the votes will come from the increased unionisation mentioned earlier. Sure, but I think Change the Rules had a far more short term goal as well, I think that's pretty unrelated to a (perhaps short term) spike in union membership in a recession.
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The Before Times posted:That's true, although there might actually be an increased focus on ensuring the Australian economy is more self-sufficient in terms of what it manufactures, given how much of a clusterfuck international logistics are at the moment. There was a brief discussion of this at work, with the results being something akin to "lol" I doubt that manufacturing will return to Australia in any big way considering the costs of labour here.
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