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Fighting Godzilla baddies, wandering the lands getting buddies, ninjas etc? That's the bread and butter for me. The epic speeches on the airship? The later stuff was well done I feel. Though like with anything, so many games have felt similar since then (Tales of Symphonia etc), it might feel a bit samey in hindsight or something like that. I have no complaints with it though myself. In fact, has there been a bad game with the green Greatest Hits label? 2Extreme had it's charm. I kid, but that was a prestigious label.
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Heavy Metal posted:Fighting Godzilla baddies, wandering the lands getting buddies, ninjas etc? That's the bread and butter for me. The epic speeches on the airship? The later stuff was well done I feel. Though like with anything, so many games have felt similar since then (Tales of Symphonia etc), it might feel a bit samey in hindsight or something like that. I have no complaints with it though myself. 
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Stux posted:the footage for cyberpunk and ff7r both looked bad and all ff7 games and derived works are bad Ok, tiresome dude.
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May 5, 2020 03:52
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Stux posted:dont sign your posts i don't think people are interested in your bad bit about ff7r in the tlou2 thread. maybe try it in the ff7r spoiler thread
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May 5, 2020 05:14
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It's Stux.
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more like sux
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May 5, 2020 05:17
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The last of Stux...too.
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May 5, 2020 06:00
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Did the leaks have any of the gameplay?
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Flannelette posted:Did the leaks have any of the gameplay?
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May 5, 2020 06:40
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I somehow keep forgetting the first game had these janky horse-riding scenes, did anyone actually enjoy playing those?
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May 5, 2020 08:16
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Heavy Metal posted:Playing as characters at odds is not off limits, it just sounds unappealing here. On that note, hotline miami 2 does it super well.
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Cuntellectual posted:On that note, hotline miami 2 does it super well. Hotline Miami 2 did everything this game wants to do and better. Have any of the leaks mentioned why the Fireflies just leave Ellie, the immune person who was so critical to their old plan, behind? Are all their doctors dead? Did they not recognize her?
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Kavak posted:Hotline Miami 2 did everything this game wants to do and better. pretty sure that hospital held the final remnants of their team with any medical expertise part of the reason marlene's so crazed by the end of the first game is she threw nearly all of her people into the meat grinder just to drag herself to the west coast
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MeatwadIsGod posted:You can tell that the leaks messed up the misdirection they were going for with the trailers so far. The trailers heavily imply that Ellie's girlfriend is murdered by another group so Ellie sets out for revenge and Joel teams up with her later so she doesn't have to do it alone. But now we know Ellie is actually setting out to avenge Joel and her girlfriend survives. Yeah you're right about that. They just put put a new story trailer full of "Not a lot of spoilers but a lot of scenes and dialogue mixed together out of context that make more sense when they're actually used in context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhII1qlcZ4E Probably for the best they disabled comments on this.
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May 6, 2020 15:16
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Viewtiful Jew posted:Yeah you're right about that. They just put put a new story trailer full of "Not a lot of spoilers but a lot of scenes and dialogue mixed together out of context that make more sense when they're actually used in context. that's kind of a sloppy trailer and I assume they also disabled the like/dislike ratio because of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-eYFDLTD0&t=1s
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So I loved The Last of Us but was worried that any sequel, if it focused on Joel and Ellie, would devolve into nihilistic misery porn. I loved TLOU because it largely managed to resist wallowing in suffering while still providing (IMO) engaging gameplay and story. Sure, there was a lot of violence and a lot of darkness, but the game had moments of beauty and hope, and ended on a note that (again, IMO) felt cautiously optimistic. Then that Druckmann quote about "hate" came out, followed by the trailer featuring pretty much nothing but brutal torture, and then the leaks, and yep, nihilistic misery porn. gently caress's sake.
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the first game ends with joel dooming humanity to never finding a cure before lying to ellies face because he doesnt care about her as a person lol
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May 6, 2020 21:14
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if ellie has the virus wouldn't she be a vector? seems dangerous for her to be around other people--to say nothing of exchanging bodily fluids in a socially progressive relationship.
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May 6, 2020 21:27
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Zombies are a nonfactor in the sequel and human life still exists so Joel was morally justified in wiping out the Fireflies. Really changes the ending of the first game completely
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Stux posted:the first game ends with joel dooming humanity to never finding a cure before lying to ellies face because he doesnt care about her as a person lol That's probably the dumbest takeaway possible from that scene lol
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May 6, 2020 21:32
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Zombies are a nonfactor in the sequel and human life still exists so Joel was morally justified in wiping out the Fireflies. Really changes the ending of the first game completely They even seem to have some nice modern gyms, which would probably be near the last of things a struggling civilization would devote time and money to.
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May 6, 2020 21:35
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Codependent Poster posted:They even seem to have some nice modern gyms, which would probably be near the last of things a struggling civilization would devote time and money to. Exactly. Joel's actions have lead humanity from the brink of extinction to reclaiming the planet. He is quite possibly the most heroic figure in human history.
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Zane posted:if ellie has the virus wouldn't she be a vector? seems dangerous for her to be around other people--to say nothing of exchanging bodily fluids in a socially progressive relationship. She bit Nolan North and he didn’t turn into a zombie, if that’s what you mean. It’s actually a rather smart idea that you can see the earliest signs of the infection under her skin but her body is fighting it off, because it allows her to in-story justify being ignored by the zombies when she walks around without cover. This concession against escort mission gameplay is justified by the zoms thinking she’s one of them. Joel is escorting Ellie mostly because of the army of doomprepper militias, and sometimes the need of a strong grown up to lift something. If it was nothing but clickers from Philly to San Diego, she’d probably be fine on her own.
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Craptacular! posted:She bit Nolan North and he didn’t turn into a zombie, if that’s what you mean. It’s actually a rather smart idea that you can see the earliest signs of the infection under her skin but her body is fighting it off, because it allows her to in-story justify being ignored by the zombies when she walks around without cover. This concession against escort mission gameplay is justified by the zoms thinking she’s one of them. Then why were they trying to kill her in the leaked gameplay we saw? Anyway humanity seems to be doing fine, since Abby is able to get the kind of calories required for Olympian-level muscle and weight gain only possible in a society with industrialized agricultural production and her organization still has at least one functioning humvee- more than the technical skill and spare parts to keep it going, the decay of gasoline means that they have access to or trade with a functioning oil refinery. Plus travelling across the continental United States seems to have become much safer- wasn't pushing your way west from Boston a huge ordeal in the last game and this time we seem to zip across the incredibly rugged-rear end terrain of the American northwest and later down the Pacific coast with ease. Would anything significant about the story have to be changed if the zombies were gone?
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Ham posted:That's probably the dumbest takeaway possible from that scene lol seriously, stux was lecturing people on misinterpreting the story for how long and yet that’s the take? Lol
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May 6, 2020 21:49
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Kavak posted:Then why were they trying to kill her in the leaked gameplay we saw?
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Ham posted:That's probably the dumbest takeaway possible from that scene lol to him ellie is Daughter Stand In and he only cares about her personal agency up to the point where it interferes with that which is why the end of the game is him imposing his will and lying about it because hes a bad person 
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Stux posted:to him ellie is Daughter Stand In and he only cares about her personal agency up to the point where it interferes with that which is why the end of the game is him imposing his will and lying about it because hes a bad person 100% honesty no matter what does not necessarily equal caring about someone as a person, nor does the inverse say otherwise. this is like someone experiencing human relationships as theory.
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Craptacular! posted:She bit Nolan North and he didn’t turn into a zombie, if that’s what you mean. It’s actually a rather smart idea that you can see the earliest signs of the infection under her skin but her body is fighting it off, because it allows her to in-story justify being ignored by the zombies when she walks around without cover. This concession against escort mission gameplay is justified by the zoms thinking she’s one of them.
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Ham posted:100% honesty no matter what does not necessarily equal caring about someone as a person, nor does the inverse say otherwise. this is like someone experiencing human relationships as theory. being unable to be honest after making a life changing decision for another person is not a healthy dynamic.
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Ham posted:100% honesty no matter what does not necessarily equal caring about someone as a person, nor does the inverse say otherwise. this is like someone experiencing human relationships as theory. The thing is, he created an rear end-pull story about there being a lot of kids like her and the Fireflies don’t need her anymore to gaslight her away from her own willingness to sacrifice for the greater good. That works for TLoU’s ambiguous ending, but it doesn’t work well after the time skip to the sequel. Ellie either never bothered to check up on that cure project, or she realized Joel lied to her but forgave him anyway. Either is not a great development for the character without additional expansion. Maybe there’s a scene where Ellie talks about and why he forgave Joel, maybe that makes it better. But if there isn’t, I’m inclined to see this as stupid.
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My read on LOU's ending was that Ellie is not dumb and knew exactly what happened, but wanted to give Joel a chance to talk about it. With his lie, he declined, and they both end up not talking about it. LOU2 looks like it will probably use GhostJoel to hash out the things they never actually talked about
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May 6, 2020 22:13
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Stux posted:being unable to be honest after making a life changing decision for another person is not a healthy dynamic. That’s also not the same as not caring Stux
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May 6, 2020 22:22
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my interpretation of this story is based entirely on my personal and particular neuroses
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May 6, 2020 22:23
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Bonaventure posted:my interpretation of this story is based entirely on my personal and particular neuroses joel did nothing wrong
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TheKingofSprings posted:That’s also not the same as not caring Stux love to overrule or ignore another persons agency because i care about them
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Lt Jon Kavanaugh posted:Zombies are a nonfactor in the sequel and human life still exists so Joel was morally justified in wiping out the Fireflies. Really changes the ending of the first game completely Zombies are still a factor in the sequel. They are all over the leaked footage. One of the scenes has Joel and Ellie arguing after they find the tragic remains of people who got infected.
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