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Xombie posted:All you have to do is look at the actual voting of suburban voters for the last 3 years. It's consistently shifted blue. Republicans have lost 9 governorships, including in states he needs in order to win the electoral college. You could have made this analysis from 2009 to 2011 and wrongly concluded that Obama would lose to Romney, no? Dems did horribly in midterms, special elections, etc. and then Obama won the presidency.
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https://twitter.com/davecatanese/status/1258113085585358853 lmao I'm not sure the Dems are prepared for some of the ways Trump is going to be attacking them
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May 6, 2020 21:57
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Roland Jones posted:They're moving to vote-by-mail. They're not canceling any of the other primaries, just the presidential one. It's 100% an attempt to suppress the vote, nothing more, and pretending otherwise just proves that you're not being genuine. Though those quotation marks, which I assume represent you quoting someone's criticism of Biden's campaign telling people in other states to go vote in-person in the primaries and lying about what the CDC recommended, imply that as well and strongly suggest you're just being spiteful here. also, they only stopped in-person primaries immediately after bernie dropped it was a literal hostage situation
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May 6, 2020 21:59
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Mellow Seas posted:Yeah, fair, I'll rescind the "melodramatic" there. Like I said, everybody's vote is their own, so there's no "illegitimate" reason on which to base your decision. I, personally, don't view who I vote for as a reflection on myself, but I respect that other people do. RBA Starblade posted:Maybe they don't want more voters "choking to death on their own blood". So why not cancel the election entirely? Why cancel at all when we've already moved to mail in voting? Why does everyone keep commenting on the ny election poo poo without even googling it first? Why are people defending voter suppression? eta: Yinlock posted:also, they only stopped in-person primaries immediately after bernie dropped Literally hours after!
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May 6, 2020 22:00
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RBA Starblade posted:Maybe they don't want more voters "choking to death on their own blood". I shouldn't have to tell you this but cancelled votes are not democratic and aren't a good look for a party trying to position itself as morally superior with regards to voter suppression. Additionally, it's the year 2020 and there's absolutely no loving reason votes cannot occur without physical polling locations. There is no genuine reason we could not just vote by mail, and everyone opposed has an ulterior motive. Period. I will fight this fight as someone who is still extremely angry that the Biden campaign proselytized pandemic voting as "safe" against all advice and did not, in fact, push for any sort of vote by mail, a delay in voting, or even put out a general "hey, it might be risky to hold elections while we're also excoriating Trump for not shutting down the country" until they had a sufficiently squishy GOP punching bag in Wisconsin.
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oh yeah don't forget that the primary had also already been postponed once before they made this decision
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luv 2 have not even voted yet and be told that The Party Decided based on some insurance industry flak representing the most conservative bloc of the party and I need to fall in line lmfao, get hosed you stupid as poo poo idiots, your candidate hates me and I hate him.
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May 6, 2020 22:05
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Araenna posted:Literally hours after! it's always infuriating seeing dems seamlessly meld together into ruthless monsters marching in lockstep when it comes to stopping the left, then immediately bumbling off when it's time to actually fight the right
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May 6, 2020 22:05
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Pedro De Heredia posted:You could have made this analysis from 2009 to 2011 and wrongly concluded that Obama would lose to Romney, no? No, because Obama himself was still extremely popular. Obama won 52% of the vote in 2008 and 51% in 2012 (vs Mccain 45% and Romney 47%). If Trump loses that much support and the Dems gain that much support, he'd be losing with Biden getting a majority of the popular vote. The same shifts would result in Biden winning not just a majority of votes but easily the electoral college as well. Obama's worst approval ratings are comparable to Trump's best.
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May 6, 2020 22:06
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some brave reporter needs to ask Biden straight up how he plans on addressing deficit spending for COVID and the debt ceiling and it's a shame it'll never happen because those two things alone are all I need to ruminate on to absolve myself of any notion that he may deliver even a single popular or progressive promise
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May 6, 2020 22:06
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Epic High Five posted:some brave reporter needs to ask Biden straight up how he plans on addressing deficit spending for COVID and the debt ceiling and it's a shame it'll never happen because those two things alone are all I need to ruminate on to absolve myself of any notion that he may deliver even a single popular or progressive promise
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May 6, 2020 22:07
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Xombie posted:No, because Obama himself was still extremely popular. Obama won 52% of the vote in 2008 and 51% in 2012 (vs Mccain 45% and Romney 47%). If Trump loses that much support and the Dems gain that much support, he'd be losing with Biden getting a majority of the popular vote. The same shifts would result in Biden winning not just a majority of votes but easily the electoral college as well. Joe Biden is not Barack Obama
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May 6, 2020 22:08
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Yinlock posted:Joe Biden is not Barack Obama Correct. The question was about Trump being Barack Obama.
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Epic High Five posted:some brave reporter needs to ask Biden straight up how he plans on addressing deficit spending for COVID and the debt ceiling and it's a shame it'll never happen because those two things alone are all I need to ruminate on to absolve myself of any notion that he may deliver even a single popular or progressive promise I was curious so I checked his website (https://joebiden.com/covid19/) and this seems vaguely positive. quote:The American people deserve an urgent, robust, and professional response to the growing public health and economic crisis caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak. That is why Joe Biden is outlining a plan to mount:
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On the topic of the Biden campaign and its surrogates lying constantly: https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1258021194093047808 https://twitter.com/IAmKevinBates/status/1258119949979131905 https://twitter.com/SimplyStapha/status/1258115936575463425
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May 6, 2020 22:11
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FlamingLiberal posted:He'll be fully onboard with austerity if he gets elected, book it ya lol, like with Trump the Dems will probably block the gutting of SS/Medicare, PROBABLY, but under Biden it's absolutely gonna happen and tons of other terrible stuff, all in the name of f i s c a l r e s p o n s i b i l i t y
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May 6, 2020 22:11
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Yinlock posted:it's always infuriating seeing dems seamlessly meld together into ruthless monsters marching in lockstep when it comes to stopping the left, then immediately bumbling off when it's time to actually fight the right The fact that they accomplished their evil bullshit (and it's transparently evil, there's no justification for it and I'll slap down any limp-dicked "for safety" poo poo no problem) and then had it overturned and didn't just eat the loving loss has me extra chuffed. They're all-in on voter suppression at this point. I don't take pleasure in the ratfucking but there's a certain catharsis in having your "conspiracy theory" assertions verified on public record in the court of law.
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Xombie posted:Correct. The question was about Trump being Barack Obama. You still framed it as "if joe's performance matches obama's then" Obama is a terrible human being but a once-in-a-generation political talent(e: and he still barely beat mitt romney, most evily boring man in the world, in 2012 because mitt torpedoed himself like a moron) Biden has been disqualified from running for president twice for plagiarism and cannot go 5 seconds without sexually assaulting any woman or girl he sees and yes, it can be argued that Trump also does that, but Trump's base does not care. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 6, 2020 |
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Xombie posted:Correct. The question was about Trump being Barack Obama. Trump's proven that he wields power more effectively than Obama and especially Biden, and the people you desperately need in order to beat Trump are not going to vote for your party. Latinos, blue-collar workers, progressives, and pretty much anyone who's younger than 40 is just not excited to vote for the avatar of rapist senility (yes, I know that describes Trump too). The only people that excitedly want to vote for Biden are... uh... insurance executives and consultants? Y'know, the same people that propelled Obama to victory and who were then betrayed by him the day he got into power.
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Yinlock posted:You still framed it as "if joe's performance matches obama's then" No, I didn't. Read it again. I was talking about the hypothetical where Trump's loss of support matches Obama's, and Biden's performance vs Hillary as compared to Romney's performance vs Mccain's. Again, my point is that 2012 isn't actually comparable due to Trump not being as popular as Obama was.
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Epic High Five posted:ya lol, like with Trump the Dems will probably block the gutting of SS/Medicare, PROBABLY, but under Biden it's absolutely gonna happen and tons of other terrible stuff, all in the name of f i s c a l r e s p o n s i b i l i t y if they actually replace Biden with Cuomo it'll be even worse, that dude loving loves austerity to the point where he refuses federal aid so he has an excuse to impose it
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How are u posted:I was curious so I checked his website (https://joebiden.com/covid19/) and this seems vaguely positive. fiscal conservatives like Biden consider taxes on the wealthy to pay for social programs to be blaming others, there's zero actual promises here, and it doesn't even address the debt ceiling placed specifically 6 months into term 1 or 2 to give cover for the nominee to ignore all previous promises Why in Gods name can't he just give us the sort of concrete promises that his donors and legacy chuds like Summers get Roland Jones posted:On the topic of the Biden campaign and its surrogates lying constantly: lol goddamn HRC loving sucks
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How are u posted:I was curious so I checked his website (https://joebiden.com/covid19/) and this seems vaguely positive. He is a known liar. He lies, boldly and often. So what are those words worth?
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I'm pretty sure that all of those folks, even if unexcited, are going to turn out hard to vote Trump out. I think it's going to be a small, but extraordinarily vocal, minority of folks who stay home just because of Biden if Biden is indeed the nominee.
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May 6, 2020 22:18
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Sharkie posted:He is a known liar. He lies, boldly and often. So what are those words worth? He's a very bad liar but he loves lying anyway
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like the DOMA act isn't even the worst example to point to - Biden was explicitly and proudly anti-gay marriage in 2008, to the point of making it a moment with Palin during the VP debates I think he's turned around on it in a very "I still would never trust him" way because it's rhetorically convenient while giving no fiscal grounds, but like his record on this is HORRIBLE, worse than Trump's even who did not even give the first poo poo his whole life
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Yinlock posted:if they actually replace Biden with Cuomo it'll be even worse, that dude loving loves austerity to the point where he refuses federal aid so he has an excuse to impose it If anything this election cycle has made me hyper-vigilant about consent being manufactured by the media and I've made it a point to poo poo talk Cuomo to anyone bringing him up. It's really easy when he's actively impeding elections and cutting healthcare spending during a pandemic. I will not let stupid idolization bullshit like Trevor Noah paint the narrative if I can help it. I'm not gonna wind up with another lovely presidential candidate because we allowed them to be meme'd into relative harmlessness like Biden.
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How are u posted:I was curious so I checked his website (https://joebiden.com/covid19/) and this seems vaguely positive. this has to be some kind of fetish, there's no other reason to give joe biden of all people this much benefit of the doubt
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How are u posted:I'm pretty sure that all of those folks, even if unexcited, are going to turn out hard to vote Trump out. I think it's going to be a small, but extraordinarily vocal, minority of folks who stay home just because of Biden if Biden is indeed the nominee. Considering how the DNC just spat in their faces and told them to go gently caress themselves, I would doubt that
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Xombie posted:No, I didn't. Read it again. I was talking about the hypothetical where Trump's loss of support matches Obama's, and Biden's performance vs Hillary as compared to Romney's performance vs Mccain's. it's not a good data point because while it's true that Trump isn't as popular as Obama was, neither is Biden It all comes back to 2016 and casting chicken bones to divine outcomes where a massive enthusiasm gap leads to a win
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My favorite thing about the Biden website is how proud they are of this:Biden's oil industry buddies posted:Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050. It's like... what do you even do with this.
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Yinlock posted:Considering how the DNC just spat in their faces and told them to go gently caress themselves, I would doubt that Just because you feel that the DNC has done this to you does not mean that everybody else feels the same way. I suspect you are in the minority here, and I suspect that most people who would have preferred another candidate will gladly help elect Biden to get rid of Trump.
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COVID-19 posted:My favorite thing about the Biden website is how proud they are of this: - Ensure good things happen long, long after I could ever be held accountable for stopping them How are u posted:Just because you feel that the DNC has done this to you does not mean that everybody else feels the same way. I suspect you are in the minority here, and I suspect that most people who would have preferred another candidate will gladly help elect Biden to get rid of Trump. I "feel" like the DNC did that because they did Also why would "gladly" help elect Biden when Biden hasn't offered them anything Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:26 on May 6, 2020 |
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Yinlock posted:He's a very bad liar but he loves lying anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvOjlfRpXHQ these happened while he still had a functioning brain
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COVID-19 posted:Trump's proven that he wields power more effectively than Obama and especially Biden, and the people you desperately need in order to beat Trump are not going to vote for your party. People are almost never "excited" to vote. The population of people that vote has ranged from 50-55% since 1972. 2008 was an outlier. The people that the Dems need to vote for them are the people that vote all the time but don't always vote for them: white people with degrees and suburbanites. These people have voted increasingly for the Dems in every chance they could since Trump got elected. Trump's "effective wielding of power" resulted in him not being able to repeal Obamacare, the #1 goal of the GOP for nearly a decade, with majority control of all three branches of government.
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How are u posted:I'm pretty sure that all of those folks, even if unexcited, are going to turn out hard to vote Trump out. I think it's going to be a small, but extraordinarily vocal, minority of folks who stay home just because of Biden if Biden is indeed the nominee. They didn't turn out for Hillary, they won't turn out for Biden. Why would they? Biden represents a shift to the right, not to the left. He's literally friends with the republicans. You may think that those groups of people (young Latinx, workers, etc...) are too stupid to realize what the Dems are doing, but I think it's clear that they are aware and won't be held hostage.
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COVID-19 posted:My favorite thing about the Biden website is how proud they are of this: Biden doesn't give a poo poo, he'll be dead by the end of the decade
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COVID-19 posted:They didn't turn out for Hillary, they won't turn out for Biden. Why would they? Biden represents a shift to the right, not to the left. He's literally friends with the republicans. I don't think that people vote based on ideology in anywhere near the numbers that you seem to think they do. I think it's going to be as simple as people have spent 4 years living in a hell world of Trump's creation, and they will want to change that. If people voted based on ideology then Sanders, whose platform was widely popular among Dem voters, wouldn't have struggled so hard with and ultimately lost because of his ceiling. We're highly engaged politics nerds on the internet. People outside of our demographic just don't think of the world in ideological terms.
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Xombie posted:People are almost never "excited" to vote. The population of people that vote has ranged from 50-55% since 1972. 2008 was an outlier. The people that the Dems need to vote for them are the people that vote all the time but don't always vote for them: white people with degrees and suburbanites. These people have voted increasingly for the Dems in every chance they could since Trump got elected. And how many judges did the way him and the republicans wield power get them? Not just SCOTUS judges, but federal judges too. How much wealth have they succeeded in transferring to the elites? How many government agencies have been gutted, and how many have been corrupted with right-wing sycophants? How much of our national culture and ideology has been shifted to the right? The sheer amount of victories the republicans have gotten their base should worry you. What victory does the left have in the past 20 years? Obamacare, maybe? I can't think of anything else. The republicans are way smarter than the Dems, and voters know this. The media is another part of this equation that will not help the Dems but will certainly harm their odds. This idea pushed by the democratic establishment that Biden is to be the nominee despite his horrific track record is proof that the elites do not and will not care about what we demand.
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