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I dunno, I think the reevaluation with Halloween III has been mostly correct, in that you don't have to see it as just a weird artifact of the past to riff on MST3k style. There is plenty to like, and even love about Halloween III without having to get into that bullshit where you're doing it "ironically", or whatever. Which is how the movie was perceived until about ten years ago. Of course that doesn't mean it's a masterpiece or on the same level as the original Halloween, and I don't think I've really seen anyone trying to claim it is.
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I mean, I've definitely seen people call it better than the original. And there's always gonna be some subjective tastes like that. Not everyone likes Halloween. And there's always gonna be some people rebelling against the standard, whether that's "ironic" or whatever. But I definitely think III gets talked up in a way that kind of inflates what it is. A weird little movie that shouldn't be dismissed purely because its the odd duck of the franchise not about Michael Myers. Its got some interesting stuff, and if you like things that kind of make your skin crawl you might see some of its "flaws" as strengths. But I wouldn't really call it a good film or anything.
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May 6, 2020 17:20
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Splint Chesthair posted:I can’t believe I’ve lived long enough to see the reappraisal of Halloween III be reappraised. Just wait for that to happen to the Star Wars Prequels, it's gonna get ugly
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May 6, 2020 17:34
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Burkion posted:Just wait for that to happen to the Star Wars Prequels, it's gonna get ugly Someone hasn't been in the CineD Star Wars threads lately.
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May 6, 2020 18:06
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Franchescanado posted:Someone hasn't been in the CineD Star Wars threads lately. Can't imagine why
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I'm not even a Star Wars person and even I know the era of heated debate on the prequels has long ago arrived.
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May 6, 2020 18:16
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Even listening to Newcomers, most people say they love the OT best, but episodes 2 and 3 are Fine.
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Good Lord Fran, what are you doing. You know better than this.
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May 6, 2020 18:23
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Basebf555 posted:Good Lord Fran, what are you doing. You know better than this. We all make mistakes. I thought about editing some more on-topic thoughts, but I'd just be repeating myself. Tremors is already a 90 minute thesis on why Graboids are really awesome monsters, it's just doomed against Lecterverse. I will go against the grain and say I'm siding with Halloween over TCM because the competition is about Franchises. Like, I can say that TCM is arguably better than Halloween, but I'm gonna watch Halloween over TCM any day, despite both being 5/5s for me. And TCM 2 is a better sequel than any of the Halloween sequels, and a better movie than any of the Halloween sequels. However. I like and annually rewatch Halloween 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 usually, plus I like Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 especially for Brad Dourif and Danielle Harris. And Halloween 2018 was great. And I am excited to see the next two Halloweens in theaters. Meanwhile, I only like TCM 1 & 2. I abhor 4: The Next Generation. The remake has some good moments in it, for sure. And I don't care about the sequels. So, crunching the numbers Halloween: 5/11 with 2 forthcoming I support. 45% success rate. That's not even including Part 5, H20 and Resurrection which I somehow still watch annually. Texas Chainsaw Massacre: 2 out of 8 films I like. That's a 25% success rate. I don't think Halloween's Part 5 or 6 are bad enough to count them negatively against the franchise as whole. But I do think TCM4 is bad enough to count negatively against the series, even though I didn't.
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May 6, 2020 18:51
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Franchescanado posted:Even listening to Newcomers, most people say they love the OT best, but episodes 2 and 3 are Fine. The way you capitalized Newcomers I assume you're posting from inside the Alien Nation universe
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May 6, 2020 19:10
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Shrecknet posted:The way you capitalized Newcomers I assume you're posting from inside the Alien Nation universe No, it's a podcast with Lauren Lapkus and Nicole Byer where they watch all the Star Wars flicks for the first time in release order.
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I have no idea why anyone would waste time watching or thinking about Star Wars, when they could be watching Halloween 4 instead, which coincidentally I just saw! I thought this was supposed to be one of the bad Halloweens, but I thought it was pretty good. It's a bit of a rehash of the first film, and isn't as impressive obviously, but I thought they did a great job of maintaining the creepy tone throughout. Plus I actually appreciated the twist ending, but then again I'm a bit of a sucker for female killers.
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gently caress, I know a sci fi bracket was floated as a potential follow up to this but I just realized how much Star Wars bickering that will entail and the idea just exhausted me right then and there.
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May 6, 2020 19:45
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Shrecknet posted:The way you capitalized Newcomers I assume you're posting from inside the Alien Nation universe Newcomers drink spoiled milk and eat raw raccoon meat so it tracks that they’d like the prequels.
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May 6, 2020 20:09
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I have no idea why anyone would waste time watching or thinking about Star Wars, when they could be watching Halloween 4 instead, which coincidentally I just saw! I thought this was supposed to be one of the bad Halloweens, but I thought it was pretty good. It's a bit of a rehash of the first film, and isn't as impressive obviously, but I thought they did a great job of maintaining the creepy tone throughout. Plus I actually appreciated the twist ending, but then again I'm a bit of a sucker for female killers. Halloween 4 is usually considered to be the best of the "bad" sequels. I expect you won't like Halloween 5 nearly as much as 4, and most people hate 6.
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May 6, 2020 20:15
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Basebf555 posted:Halloween 4 is usually considered to be the best of the "bad" sequels. I expect you won't like Halloween 5 nearly as much as 4, and most people hate 6. Watching 5 now. I was about to pre-emptively give it 5/5 until I realised that Tina isn't played by Toni Basil
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May 6, 2020 20:27
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I'm the person that enjoys Halloween 3 more than Halloween 1 these days. Not sure I'd say it's the better made movie.
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May 6, 2020 20:43
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It's obviously not better craft-wise, but it's full of ideas and that counts for a hell of a lot. The prequel to Halloween 3 is a more interesting story than anything you could possibly do with Michael at this point and it's criminal that it's just been left on the table like that.
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May 6, 2020 20:49
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Halloween 3 could have been a Doctor Who episode. You have clockwork cybermen stealing stonehenge to turn children into creepy crawlies, all that's missing is a weirdo in a scarf.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Halloween 3 could have been a Doctor Who episode. You have clockwork cybermen stealing stonehenge to turn children into creepy crawlies, all that's missing is a weirdo in a scarf. I'm not sure if this is a compliment or not. The movie is bonkers in a great way. Dr. Dan > Dr. Loomis
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm not sure if this is a compliment or not. The movie is bonkers in a great way. Just an observation. I hate Dr. Who but I actually liked Halloween 3, except for the part where the recently bereaved daughter of a murdered man inexplicably becomes horny for a dumpy middle aged guy. You can argue that he's a father figure, but it just screams wish fulfillment to me. Toni Basil > Tina > Dr. Loomis > Dr. Dan > Dr. Who
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May 6, 2020 21:35
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In the 80s Tom Adkins represented peak masculinity. It was a very strange decade.
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TrixRabbi posted:gently caress, I know a sci fi bracket was floated as a potential follow up to this but I just realized how much Star Wars bickering that will entail and the idea just exhausted me right then and there. We can all just agree to exclude Star Trek and Star Wars and the obvious champ, Alien.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Just an observation. I hate Dr. Who but I actually liked Halloween 3, except for the part where the recently bereaved daughter of a murdered man inexplicably becomes horny for a dumpy middle aged guy. You can argue that he's a father figure, but it just screams wish fulfillment to me. I find their relationship gross as well, but I don't really find Dr. Dan particularly heroic. A sleazy drunk with a sense of curiosity. There's also the question of when exactly Ellie becomes a robot, a question not even the director knows how to answer lol.
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Shrecknet posted:The way you capitalized Newcomers I assume you're posting from inside the Alien Nation universe Since I now can't get the TV series theme song out of my head, I'm posting this so the rest of you have it too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKNc1nORBz0
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Halloween 3 is the best Halloween. But I was never huge on the original, primarily owed to PJ Soles' and Nancy Kyes' stilted rear end delivery.
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If you’re making me choose TCM vs Halloween, just the first films, I would probably go TCM. If it was just the first 2 films I would easily got TCM. But Halloween 3,4 and 2018 easily make up the ground after that. A little bummed Exorcist got bumped but at least it lost to another heavy weight.
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Dr. Dan is the creepiest, sleaziest dude and that relationship always sketches me out. But as I said, I think for the people who love Halloween III its "flaws" like that which are the film's strengths. Dr. Loomis is a sleaze in his own right but its pathos and a character journey. I like to believe that 15 years before the first Halloween Dr. Loomis was a genuinely good and decent guy trying to make a difference. And then he stared into the face of evil and it gradually destroyed him as he became increasingly more and more unhinged and orally compromised as the films go on because he'll do anything to stop Michael. I think that journey is really the heart of the Halloween series much more than the Strode family or weird incestuous rape cult stuff are.
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Basebf555 posted:Halloween 4 is usually considered to be the best of the "bad" sequels. I expect you won't like Halloween 5 nearly as much as 4, and most people hate 6. I hate to be predictable, but you're 100% right. I think 6 would have been okay if you could somehow remove the plot and half the characters from the film. When Michael is stomping around doing Michael things it's fine. Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 02:40 on May 7, 2020 |
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I hate to be predictable, but you're 100% right. I think 6 would have been okay if you could somehow remove the plot and half the characters from the film. When Michael is stomping around doing Michael things it's fine. I don’t know that I would agree with that; I remember the Michael scenes feeling pretty tired
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david_a posted:I don’t know that I would agree with that; I remember the Michael scenes feeling pretty tired Michael stabs a guy through the abdomen, lifts him up by the wound, stabs him into an electrical box, and then electrocutes him to the point where his skin begins to boil, and then his head explodes in a shower or brain, gore, and sparks. That was pretty neat. It's true that most of the kills and threat aren't on par with Freddy or Jason of the same era, but I would be lying if I said I didn't find them entertaining. Also the little girl celebrating the "red rain" was charming.
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Halloween 3 is a fun enough b-movie but it's not even in my top 30 horror b-movies and it would not feature on any list of Genuinely Great Horror I made no matter how long it went.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Michael stabs a guy through the abdomen, lifts him up by the wound, stabs him into an electrical box, and then electrocutes him to the point where his skin begins to boil, and then his head explodes in a shower or brain, gore, and sparks. That was pretty neat. I’ve only seen The Producer’s Cut since it was supposedly “better” and the last half of that doesn’t happen in it 
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I just finished the Halloween sequels, and I had a better time with them than I was expecting. The Rob Zombie films in particular were a delight. If I end up voting for Halloween it'll be 100% because Mr. Z tipped the scales. The only surprise is that I really hated the 2018 film. I loved Jamie Lee Curtis and her relationship with her daughter and granddaughter. I liked the longshot of Michael moving through the houses, and the little visual references and inversions. I just really despised the dialogue. Anytime a supporting character opened their mouth, there was a 50/50 chance that I'd want to turn off the film.
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:The Rob Zombie films in particular were a delight. 
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Zombie's Halloween 2 is the best Halloween film other than the original.
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Basebf555 posted:Zombie's Halloween 2 is the best Halloween film other than the original. Truth.
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Come on there’s gotta be some fellow H2 haters in here I’ve been itching to vote against this franchise because of that movie but all the alternatives were worse.
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I mean, I'm ride or die with TCM and absolutely want to see it win cause overall, as a franchise, I just don't love Halloween like some of y'all do. But Zombie's Halloween II rules and I cannot deny it.
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