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Binary Badger posted:I remember spending like 30 seconds looking for an MXM graphic card with a newer / faster GPU and discovering there really wasn't one worth shoveling into the 2011 other than Apple's and possibly switching the 1 GB VRAM card for a 2 GB VRAM. Yeah Luke Miani did some MXM swapping in his earlier youtube career on the 2011 and apparently it didn't work with the cards that were 'worth' doing the swap for. I was lucky and got this iMac already with the 2GB card. TraderStav posted:Did you install a thermal sensor on the SATA drive? The stock HDDs have one built in so without it the Mac flips out and runs everything full tilt. Yep if you look closely you can see the OWC magic sensor that should have not been a thing in the first place.  Also the 'optical drive' fan doesn't actually cool the optical drive it just happens to be right next to it. It's channeled via a duct below the ODD to blow over the GPU heat pipes. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 18:45 on May 6, 2020 |
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Binary Badger posted:I like the super low cost of the $250 refurb iPad, but that's 6th gen which only comes with an A10, 32 GB storage, and 2 GB of RAM. The current iPad is on sale for $250 at Best Buy. It drops to that price every month or two. The 128gb is also only $329 right now FCKGW fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 6, 2020 |
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Shaocaholica posted:Oh its the (not) metal paste from Grizzly. Right, I meant, you could totally have done this with the metal one, because that would have been a good and sane thing to attempt and not at all silly.
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Shaocaholica posted:Yeah Luke Miani did some MXM swapping in his earlier youtube career on the 2011 and apparently it didn't work with the cards that were 'worth' doing the swap for. I was lucky and got this iMac already with the 2GB card. That's the same OWC pigtail they sent me for my Late 2012 21.5", there's no room in there like there is in yours though since it's not replacing a 3.5" drive. They probably sent me the wrong one or just plain ignoring that fact.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:How did you do the repasting? I used the "x" method on my 15" rMBP and I saw ~20-30c drops. Something would have to be really bad if you got drops that much I would think. I did a thin line with 2 dots. The die is tiny. My idle temps went down maybe 5-8C. At full all core load it still hits tjmax but the cores can turbo more. e: running my ffmpeg test again with a ambient temp closer to the original 'dirty' run and I'm seeing turbo up to 3.4 now. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 19:16 on May 6, 2020 |
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The metal on the heat sink is copper which the liquid Conductonaut won't react with, but what's the metal right on the top of the CPU itself? If its aluminum, that poo poo will corrode it.Shaocaholica posted:Yeah Luke Miani did some MXM swapping in his earlier youtube career on the 2011 and apparently it didn't work with the cards that were 'worth' doing the swap for. It didn't work for those other GPU cards likely because they had the PC firmware on them, not the Mac firmware needed to properly initialize the card for use by Mac drivers. Otherwise, you could have had decent Nvidia GTX 980's in the iMac 2011s. 2012 and 2013 iMacs had GeForce GTX 6xx GPUs in them, but Apple had moved the GPU to the logic board by then, choosing not to use the MXM format in 2010's and 11s. FCKGW posted:The current iPad is on sale for $250 at Best Buy. It drops to that price every month or two. The 128gb is also only $329 right now The current 7th gen iPad is still an A10 Fusion chip, but with 3 GB of RAM at least. I'll still wait for a good price on an iPad mini 5th gen with the A12 Bionic and 3 GB RAM. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 19:19 on May 6, 2020 |
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Binary Badger posted:The metal on the heat sink is copper which the liquid Conductonaut won't react with, but what's the metal right on the top of the CPU itself? If its aluminum, that poo poo will corrode it. It's just bare die which is some silicon compound(?). Liquid metal is fine on that. The surface mount components and pads need to be isolated from liquid metal tho. I mean liquid metal in a laptop is just dumb. I don't even both with liquid metal on delids I don't know why people think its absolutely necessary for delids because its not. Binary Badger posted:It didn't work for those other GPU cards likely because they had the PC firmware on them, not the Mac firmware needed to properly initialize the card for use by Mac drivers. I don't think anyone bothered to figure out flashing MXM 980s to Apple? I probably would have done something dumb and bought one for a lot of money otherwise.
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Shaocaholica posted:I don't think anyone bothered to figure out flashing MXM 980s to Apple? I probably would have done something dumb and bought one for a lot of money otherwise. Nope, there's one guy who runs a site (macvidcards.com) where he sells flashed nVidia cards as recent as Titans that have been flashed to Mac compatibility. (No 2080s or similar..) And even then, they won't work past High Sierra which is due to be EOL'ed (no security updates) soon.. To date I've only see him offer PCIe cards flashed, he might have offered MXM cards in the distant past, but with the relative dearth of iMac 2010/2011 owners wanting to hot rod their machines I'm sure he doesn't think its worth the trouble.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:You will be very happy with either laptop because Apple is back to their scissor style awesome keyboard paired with new hardware, not the impossibly bad butterfly keyboard! Binary Badger posted:Is there anyone out there doing Zoom conferences on their 2020 MBA yet? Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:Is the reasoning here because the remote access exploits on Zoom don't work on the more locked down iOS? Binary Badger posted:The current 7th gen iPad is still an A10 Fusion chip, but with 3 GB of RAM at least. I'll still wait for a good price on an iPad mini 5th gen with the A12 Bionic and 3 GB RAM.
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My sister is replacing her ancient MBA. From what I’ve read in the last couple pages the new MBA is the value play over the MBP? She watches videos and uses text editors. She also has the education discount. A sanity check on the model and options would be awesome. Budget max is $1200 before tax.
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vs Dinosaurs posted:My sister is replacing her ancient MBA. From what I’ve read in the last couple pages the new MBA is the value play over the MBP? She watches videos and uses text editors. She also has the education discount. For that use case base model is fine.
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If she wanted to dabble in photo editing / photoshop work would an i5 or the 16gb RAM upgrade make a difference? Thanks for weighing in here, she is about to pull the trigger.
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Do you care about resale value or is she going to run it until it dies?
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vs Dinosaurs posted:If she wanted to dabble in photo editing / photoshop work would an i5 or the 16gb RAM upgrade make a difference? I'd go for the i5 just because it's significantly faster for $100, but I wouldn't bother for more RAM over the standard 8GB in her case. Probably not a worthwhile buy. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 22:40 on May 6, 2020 |
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I really can’t see that use case benefitting from more than two cores
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For perspective i 9-5 a 2015 dual core 13" in photoshop + text teditors + many many browsers while hooked up to a 4k monitor and performance is admittedly not stellar, it works. 2.9ghz / 8gb is easily enough for light photoshop duty. i want to upgrade soon but if i wasn't using a huge screen and all my dev tools poo poo there'd be no real reason.
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Previous i5 Airs were also all dual core as well so even getting the base i3 isn’t a downgrade, it’s around 20% faster than last years i5 model. However the i5 upgrade is only $100 (plus a longer shipping time) and gets not only quad core but a slightly faster GPU. It’s a darn good value.
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cowofwar posted:I really can’t see that use case benefitting from more than two cores It's $100. I can't see the reason for getting the i3 base model unless the buyer is on a strict budget or only the base MBA is being offered for a solid sale price, neither of which is true.
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Interesting. Sounds like folks are thinking i5 instead of 16GB RAM if I can only pick one.
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vs Dinosaurs posted:Interesting. Sounds like folks are thinking i5 instead of 16GB RAM if I can only pick one. Yeah, the bottleneck isn’t the memory. 8GB should hold up for a while, especially for lighter use.
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I would personally choose RAM over a processor bump but that's very much my own use case (1000s of tabs at all times)
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I don’t understand the many tabs methodology. I have normally 8. At most 20 when I open up many product pages to compare. Sure more tabs on other machines but still the same frequent set.
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cowofwar posted:For that use case base model is fine. Noooooo. Don’t ever ever ever ever tell anyone that “the base model Air is fine” “It’s got a dual-core in 2020, but you can bump up to a quad for $100 more....but it’s probably not worth it for you”. loving dummkopf move right there champ cowofwar posted:I really can’t see that use case benefitting from more than two cores And “64k ought to be enough for anybody” vs Dinosaurs posted:Interesting. Sounds like folks are thinking i5 instead of 16GB RAM if I can only pick one. With the edu discount, I’d personally do i5, 16gb RAM, and cap the storage at 256gb instead of 512 if I needed to cut somewhere. That comes out to between $1100 and 1200 in the US, but I could also easily see an argument for forgoing the extra RAM for money-saving reasons or to fit 512gb storage into the budget. 512gb/i5/8gb comes out to $1200 even. Shaocaholica posted:I don’t understand the many tabs methodology. I have normally 8. At most 20 when I open up many product pages to compare. Sure more tabs on other machines but still the same frequent set. In my case it’s literally a manifestation of ADHD.
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Shaocaholica posted:I don’t understand the many tabs methodology. I have normally 8. At most 20 when I open up many product pages to compare. Sure more tabs on other machines but still the same frequent set. i have several windows open with at least 4-5 tabs in each, one window for docs/tutorials, one for work stuff, and one for just loving around. and sometimes a youtube window with multiple tabs on a secondary display with music and videos im watching. i am aPOWER USER.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Noooooo. Don’t ever ever ever ever tell anyone that “the base model Air is fine” It’s not obvious to me why the quadcore is that much better than the dualcore in the case of the new MBA. Singlecore performance is almost identical and any sustained multicore load is going to be limited by either power or temperature, so the clear advantage will be in workloads that use all cores in short bursts and don’t trigger the turbo power limit. These seem relatively rare to me. Reviewers like Dave Lee state that there is no subjective, noticeable difference between the two models in normal use (Web browsing, light photo editing, etc). Don’t get me wrong, I’d definitely spend the $100 but I don’t think that recommending the base model is dumb.
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Thanks folks, I’m gonna pitch in to cover the i5 and she will go for the 16GB RAM with her edu-shekels. Appreciate the meeting of The Minds on this one.
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vs Dinosaurs posted:Thanks folks, I’m gonna pitch in to cover the i5 and she will go for the 16GB RAM with her edu-shekels. Appreciate the meeting of The Minds on this one. I feel like that’s the right call. The machine should definitely last a long rear end time with those specs.
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Ok Comboomer posted:Noooooo. Don’t ever ever ever ever tell anyone that “the base model Air is fine” The issue is that the base model Air has historically gone on sale a lot, and for pretty good prices ($699 or $749). My wife happily used a 4GB RAM Air purchased in 2014 for $699 for 5 years, and people were also saying the same stuff about how it's a huge mistake to get the base Air. The resale value of it also wasn't awful, given how cheap it was new! We did better than if we had gotten a more expensive one, because it's not like resale value of 2014 8GB Airs is sky high either. Only the off-the-shelf configs go on sale, so sure the list price of the i5/8GB might be $100 higher, but in the real world with discounting it's $300-400 higher because you have to custom order that config. Also, with the 10W TDP target, I'd bet that the dual-core i3 is able to sustain higher clocks for longer than the 4 core i5, because we've seen that same pattern play out in every mac in the last few years. I'm not arguing that the i3 is the best config for everyone. I'm saying that it's not as simple as saying nobody should buy it.
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But it’s not $699 right now when he needs to buy it so what difference does it make?
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FCKGW posted:But it’s not $699 right now when he needs to buy it so what difference does it make? If the price premium is only $100 for the i5, then yes it's probably worth it. I guess I shouldn't assume that the base Air will continue to get discounted way more than the base Pro, but that was still happening with the most recent gen before this so it's probably a safe bet. Edit: i3 is already discounted to $930 at Microcenter: https://www.microcenter.com/product/622810/apple-macbook-air-mwtj2ll-a-early-2020-133-laptop-computer---space-gray
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Ok Comboomer posted:The base 2020 Pro with the 2018 CPU seems like a much much much muuuuuch better buy, to say nothing of being a better computer, than the base 2020 Air TBH. Yeah, as someone looking to get 8 or 9 years of life out of their next Mac, Paying an extra CAD ~$130 over the i5 w/16gb for the 8th gen w/16gb doesn't look too bad. And you get the brighter screen, wider color gamut, a little more battery, higher tdp limit... Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 7, 2020 |
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Twerk from Home posted:If the price premium is only $100 for the i5, then yes it's probably worth it. The i3 is $899, and i5 is $999, on Apple EDU site (which has lifted all checks on EDU qualification). You won't see 30% price drops to $699 until it's starting to approach the end of it's life cycle.
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Ok Comboomer posted:The base 2020 Pro with the 2018 CPU seems like a much much much muuuuuch better buy, to say nothing of being a better computer, than the base 2020 Air TBH. How so? I personally didn't see the need to spend $200 more for an older CPU and a touch bar vs the 2020 i5 Air. edit: 10th Gen iGPUs have better performance as well. FCKGW fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 7, 2020 |
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FCKGW posted:How so? I personally didn't see the need to spend $200 more for an older CPU and a touch bar vs the 2020 i5 Air. 10th gen doesn't automatically mean better performance. Even the older pro has a higher TDP and better performance for sustained loads than the new Air. If you're just doing web browsing and simple stuff then the Air will be fine. If you're doing anything that loads the CPU for more than a few seconds at a time you'll want the pro.
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I don't care what anyone says I love those hard plastic case covers for MacBooks. Would have probably saved a few of mine from the dings and dents their previous owners inflicted. They the are super cheap for discontinued MacBooks. I know a lot of Apple techs hate them probably because some of them have been traps for an ungodly amount of dirt and food debris. Funny how Apple people are either super duper clean or absolute slobs.
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Mister Facetious posted:Can't they just... I dunno, take them off and clean them occasionally? Ah you have such high aspirations for humanity. Bless your heart.
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