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https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1258378643979620353 BAME people more at risk *even when accounting for all other risks associated with BAME populations* and smokers being safer than never-smokers being safer than ex-smokers are probably the weirdest takeaways from this. e: corrected the order of risk for smokers. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 14:47 on May 7, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:BAME people more at risk *even when accounting for all other risks associated with BAME populations* and smokers being safer than ex-smokers being safer than never-smokers are probably the weirdest takeaways from this. * Smokers being safer than never smokers being safer than ex-smokers. Really odd/interesting. High blood pressure being safer than regular too?
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May 7, 2020 14:45
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Well that's a lesson for life: you come at the superkings, you best not quit
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May 7, 2020 14:54
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blunt posted:* Smokers being safer than never smokers being safer than ex-smokers. Yeah, corrected that, alas brainfarts aren't being tracked as a risk factor. I wonder what the difference between people with high blood pressure and those who have normal blood pressure thanks to medication is (particularly as I'm in the latter group)? Might suggest whether the blood pressure itself is the important part or whether it's actually that the cause of the blood pressure is the protection.
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May 7, 2020 14:55
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I imagine some of them are more medication than condition. Rheumatoid arthritis/Lupus/Psoriasis all increase your chances of being on drugs like azathioprine, which suppresses your immune system. Also 'spleen' is wonderfully non descriptive. Is that people who have had their spleen removed? People with conditions of the spleen?
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May 7, 2020 15:05
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How do the factors interact? Say i'm less than 40 but recovering from cancer, do you take the highest risk factor ratio or is it an average between them?
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May 7, 2020 15:28
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High blood pressure being protective is maybe not that strange if you consider that a common feature of cytokine release syndrome is dangerously low BP that needs to be treated with steroids, IV fluids and vasopressors
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May 7, 2020 15:35
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Regarde Aduck posted:How do the factors interact? Say i'm less than 40 but recovering from cancer, do you take the highest risk factor ratio or is it an average between them? Government are still advising under 40s on immunosuppressants to stay fully isolated though.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Well that's a lesson for life: you come at the superkings, you best not quit 
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May 7, 2020 15:39
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1258378643979620353 Some of these will probably be coincidental findings, for what its worth, or non-causally connected - e.g. (not saying this is why, but offering a possible suggestion to illustrate a point) smokers tending to spend more time outside than non-smokers, being more likely to maintain a safe distance and not catch it, or something, rather than somehow being defended from the virus by ciggies.
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May 7, 2020 16:05
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Guavanaut posted:They're ratios that should be accounting for other factors. So if having lymphoma over 5 years ago makes you twice as likely to die of COVID-19, that's twice as likely as someone who hasn't in the same age group. So for an <40 that's double gently caress all, but for 40-49 it's twice as likely as a quarter as likely as a 50-59 year old (so still half as likely). Ah I see. Thanks.
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May 7, 2020 16:14
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https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1258345696618561538 Gonnae scream into the wind for a bit.
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May 7, 2020 16:29
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What historian would have predicted that it would be the British left completely brain-broken by WW2? Although of course, they were always broken
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May 7, 2020 16:32
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So the 'new style' JSA says that because I've worked and paid national insurance for over 3 years, I'm entitled to 6 months of JSA. It mentions nothing about meetings / job coaching. I'm I understanding right that they'll leave me alone to try and get a new job for six months, before I have to do those soul crushing interviews?
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May 7, 2020 16:34
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Lol https://twitter.com/RopesToInfinity/status/1258371614338670594?s=19
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May 7, 2020 16:42
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1258345696618561538 Germany should retort using World Cup win language.
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May 7, 2020 16:49
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You know what really pisses off Starmer supporters when you knock the polling? If you compare it with the SNP being 20 points ahead of the Tories because they're better at being opposition.
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May 7, 2020 16:55
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Tesseraction posted:So the 'new style' JSA says that because I've worked and paid national insurance for over 3 years, I'm entitled to 6 months of JSA. It mentions nothing about meetings / job coaching. I'm I understanding right that they'll leave me alone to try and get a new job for six months, before I have to do those soul crushing interviews? Last time I did it, which was a year or so ago - you still had to go into the office once a week (or fortnight, depending on how annoying your "job coach" wanted to make it) but as long as you have something to show you're looking for work , they'll leave you alone. All it takes is 5 mins a day to log onto the Universal Jobsearch website, do a query for everything in a 5-10 mile radius and click thorough anything that looks vaguely interesting. As soon as you're off the .gov site they can't see if you closed the tab immediately or spent 45 mins filling in pointless forms to actually apply. Also, be polite and clean (I used to wear a proper shirt and trousers - rather than jeans and a t-shirt), and they'll mentally put in the "good ones" group and give you a lot less hassle.
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May 7, 2020 17:03
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Gonzo McFee posted:Gonnae scream into the wind for a bit. I find drinking helps. No seriously. I am on my second beer of the day, and I am going to go shopping tomorrow to get more because gently caress it. If we all have to stay inside and keep safe at least I can be shitfaced whilst doing it.
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May 7, 2020 17:05
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If anyone's really bored and has a guitar they bought one day and then never got around to learning give me a shout, I can offer a goon discount.
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Renfield posted:Last time I did it, which was a year or so ago - you still had to go into the office once a week (or fortnight, depending on how annoying your "job coach" wanted to make it) but as long as you have something to show you're looking for work , they'll leave you alone. I will never forget the lady in the Job Centre who decided to practice her amateur psychology on me. Completely unasked she just decided going on that I've got long hair & a beard because I'm hiding or something & simply wouldn't accept that it was an aesthetic choice, that I'd wanted a beard since I was looking through a kids encyclopedia & saw photos of all these cool 19th century people like Dickens. Went on about it so much and god I wanted the earth to open up and swallow her whole. What made it more annoying was it was at a point where I wasn't even getting offered job interviews. The people were turning me down without seeing me so the fact I have long hair & a beard had gently caress all to do with why I was on the dole. Was so glad when she got moved to another department & I never had to deal with her again.
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Tesseraction posted:So the 'new style' JSA says that because I've worked and paid national insurance for over 3 years, I'm entitled to 6 months of JSA. It mentions nothing about meetings / job coaching. I'm I understanding right that they'll leave me alone to try and get a new job for six months, before I have to do those soul crushing interviews? I signed up when everything went  they said normally they do that stuff but they don't have time now so just keep looking for jobs  .I've not heard anything from them since I signed on. e: ^ Should have told her you just really like| are Jesus. sinky fucked around with this message at 17:18 on May 7, 2020 |
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Coohoolin posted:If anyone's really bored and has a guitar they bought one day and then never got around to learning give me a shout, I can offer a goon discount. Same offer, but I'll just laugh at your inability to economy pick while I atonally shred with no backing track
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1258345696618561538 lol I like how "war rhetoric"  gets translated into ARE FINEST WARI mean they know their audience
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Failed Imagineer posted:Same offer, but I'll just laugh at your inability to economy pick while I atonally shred with no backing track P R O G
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hannahrosewoods/status/1258345696618561538 If them germans are so smart with their scientific language, how come they lost the war then.
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May 7, 2020 17:24
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Of course all the Germans know science. In Germany water's made out of 'water stuff'. They don't even obfuscate it behind five layers of Vulgar Latin so even a peasant knows what's going on.
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Nobody tell the mail that german used to be the language of chemistry. E: or do and see if you can learn some biology in the process.
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Um did the ITV reporter just ask Dominic Rabb how front line workers could be better protected against infectious black people? I was only half listening so may have misunderstood.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Same offer, but I'll just laugh at your inability to economy pick while I atonally shred with no backing track Same same offer but this will be the lesson: 
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OwlFancier posted:Nobody tell the mail that german used to be the language of chemistry. But it's not conversational German and entirely about 19th century org chem texts or more recent patents, and you can learn words like Hochgeschwindigkeitsaufnahmen.
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Isn't that pretty normal? I thought that's what the emergency stockpiles were, basically. They take the expired stuff and hang onto it for a bit cos it probably still mostly works. 10 years seems a bit weird though. I guess you could just about blame the last labour government for it though lol.
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Guavanaut posted:Depending on the university, German and glassblowing are two of the more 'out there' modules you can commonly do as part of a chemistry degree. Not bad, what's updog with you? OwlFancier posted:Isn't that pretty normal? I thought that's what the emergency stockpiles were, basically. They take the expired stuff and hang onto it for a bit cos it probably still mostly works. tbh I assumed it was the other way around, the emergency stocks get filled with new things and when they're reaching the end of their date new stuff is brought in and the old ones are released for whatever purposes.
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Sure it would make sense to do it the other way but that would be too much like socialism. I'm sure that rather than buying new stock and then distributing it for use at the end of its storage life, they let hospitals buy the new stock and then store it when it expires.
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blunt posted:I think (and I might be wrong) that once you have the app from your local app store, it works anywhere in the world (in terms of tracking exposure), it's just the exposure notification has to be triggered by your local health authority. all right so I've had a look though the Android API spec (I'm guessing the iOS one basically works the same way), so as far as I can tell it's meant to work like this: The authority creates an app, which has limited access (through the API) to the device. That app grabs a daily key from their server for that user (along with a custom transmission risk factor for that person), and that gets passed to the API. The API then uses that to generate randomised temporary exposure keys for that user, and those get broadcast to other devices through Bluetooth LE (low energy, sad). When your device picks up one of those broadcasts, it stores that exposure key and risk factor, along with the signal strength (for estimating distance) and the duration of the contact, and when it happened. Those are stored on the device for up to 14 days, protected behind the API. If you get diagnosed with corona, you can give permission (handled by the API, the app isn't involved and can't force it) to release those exposure records to the app. If you do, that's when the authority gets hold of those details (not sure if they can relate them to the user keys they provided in the first place and actually identify people, or if it's just so they can hand them out selectively for the next bit) The authority also provides the keys of people who've been diagnosed, and that's how the app can notify the user they've been in contact, by matching the confirmed diagnosis keys to those contacts they've been storing. (I assume this is partly why the authority's getting those contact keys, so when one of those contacts asks for diagnosis keys it can provide the ones they've apparently been in recent contact with, not every key for every diagnosed case in the country) The app has to provide a weighting system for exposure risk based on those factors from earlier - distance, length of contact, how long ago it happened etc. The API uses that to filter out contacts that don't meet a minimum risk level - so the authority gets to decide how that risk is defined, but it's the API that calculates it on all the stored contact records, and provides the app with details of the level of exposure the user's experienced The API itself (running through a component called Google Play Services in this case) is like a gatekeeper to the functionality and storage on the device, it means the people writing the app can't just dig around and get their hands on whatever they want, or force things on the user. When the app wants to start broadcasting for the first time, Play Services butts in and asks the user to agree to it, otherwise it won't allow it. Same with releasing the contact keys when you get diagnosed - they're locked on the device and the app can't get to them, until you agree to release them. This is probably why the government wanted their own solution they have full control over! but yeah it's really individual authorities configuring this stuff and providing identifiers, so even if you did go to france and record a bunch of contacts with people, if they're based on another authority's ID system it's not gonna be any useful info - the UK authority would probably just go "don't know who this is" and discard that data, so it wouldn't be included in any tracing for one of their confirmed cases. If they coordinated it would work, but yeah this is gonna be a big post I can feel it
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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1258423522583613450?s=20 shame they didn't truncheon him
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't that pretty normal? I thought that's what the emergency stockpiles were, basically. They take the expired stuff and hang onto it for a bit cos it probably still mostly works. They did that at the start of the outbreak, they checked the out of date stuff and relabeled them as good for 2020.
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