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baka kaba posted:lol I like how "war rhetoric" Would it be weird to ask 'who is Umberto'?
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XMNN posted:I will never understand people who hate wind turbines and think they ruin views, they've got an eerie alien beauty even before you account for the fact they're saving the planet We've got 10-12 or so land ones scattered around sheppey, and an off-shore farm just visible between the two sets of sea forts. I like them 
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Umberto Eco, most famous for the "thus by the continual shifting of the rhetorical focus the enemy is portrayed as both weak and strong" thing, referring to how fascists characterise their enemies. Simultaneously destroying the world but unable to stand up to the proper moral, martial, and racial character of the fascist ideology. Very applicable because it comes up an awful lot in conservative writing, where social degeneracy or whatever is gonna destroy western civilization but you can fight it by watching our news program, being a good christian, and hating the right people. Which coincidentally are things you already want to do. Fancy that. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 7, 2020 |
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not sure STOP THE BOATS! resonates as well in the UK as Australia, but I suppose Farage is casting around for a new slogan to pass the time now
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Bloodly posted:Would it be weird to ask 'who is Umberto'? this virus is a WAR, a HIDDEN ENEMY, it wants to destroy the GREAT british and american people! but we are STRONK and will PREVAIL for FREEDOM, if we all WORK TOGETHER and SUPPORT ARE LEADERS against THOSE PEOPLE whose fault this all is
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ronya posted:not sure STOP THE BOATS! resonates as well in the UK as Australia, but I suppose Farage is casting around for a new slogan to pass the time now He's struggling to scream for airtime given that Brexit is happening, and he's always got to keep the greasy grift going.
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sinky posted:Does he ever do interviews that aren't behind a paywall? Der Stürmer supports journalism! 
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't that pretty normal? I thought that's what the emergency stockpiles were, basically. They take the expired stuff and hang onto it for a bit cos it probably still mostly works. Respirators don't really 'go bad'. There's a nominal shelf life of 10 years on them because of some rules I honestly can't remember that have a lot more to do with there being no guarantee on storage conditions than the masks themselves. They don't stop working and it's pretty common to have out of date stuff in stockpiles as it can be purchased much cheaper.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1258378643979620353 I still wonder how they get around the idea that lots of these risk factors are disproportionately represented amongst the elderly, and its impossible to then determine which precise things contributed to mortality. If you have ten people, 5 of them over 50 and all with heart disease, infect them all with a disease that is proven to be more deadly to those over 50, and 7 of them die, you can hardly extrapolate that heart disease presents a 70% mortality rate for those who get it. I'm sure that they have tried to account for this, but it just seems a huge statistical minefield especially with data collected under such uncontrolled conditions. In any case, real weird about smokers!
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Does the n = 0.95 confidence interval apply for every measure? Because there's, what, 50 on that chart? You would expect at least a couple to not be totally accurate.
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ronya posted:not sure STOP THE BOATS! resonates as well in the UK as Australia, but I suppose Farage is casting around for a new slogan to pass the time now serious gaylord posted:Respirators don't really 'go bad'.  ThomasPaine posted:In any case, real weird about smokers! The results of the nicotine patch test should be very interesting, because I don't think "one weird trick, protect your lungs from covids by knackering them" is very helpful.
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I thought the idea was that it obviously makes you more at risk if you catch it because your lungs are hosed but that something about it seems to prevent people from catching it at all. Either behaviourally or whatever.
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Just saw a graph of polling for the past three years and realised I'd forgotten all about Change UK. What a wild ride that was.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought the idea was that it obviously makes you more at risk if you catch it because your lungs are hosed but that something about it seems to prevent people from catching it at all. Either behaviourally or whatever. Unless they do a differential with snus users in Sweden it's going to be hard to know what that is.
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May 7, 2020 19:57
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It's 2020, all drugs are suppositories now.
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This dipshit clappy time goes on longer every week christ
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You do your clapclaps and you enjoy it or you get the hose  I just remembered that wee lad hitting the bin with the cricket bat and laughed at it again a bit. I think if i had to choose one thing that encapsulates the zeitgeist in this country atm it'd be that crispix fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 7, 2020 |
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Had some premature clappers around here that were going off before the time. I think overall the first time round was the strongest, since then only some enthusiasts are going for it properly.
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XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1258423522583613450?s=20 MV Oceana looks a lot bigger when it's in a dinky port
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's 2020, all drugs are suppositories now. just hope it doesn't end like this https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3876923&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post490678783
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bionic vapour boy posted:This dipshit clappy time goes on longer every week christ Round here it's evolved into 'every street having that one guy who blares out You Raise Me Up and Fight Song and Angels for a full 10 mins' while everyone else politely stands around for the duration as to not offend'.
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's 2020, all drugs are suppositories now. can't wait to shove insulin suppositories up my rear end at the dinner table while daring someone to say something
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hope everyone remembed their weekly brainwashing for the NHS. gotta make sure that the population believes the NHS is some kind of army fighting the coronavirus on the beaches so that when they die they "nobly sacrificed themselves for freedom" rather than "died of a preventable illness becuase of government inaction, incompetence, and frankly, malaise"
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Drone_Fragger posted:hope everyone remembed their weekly brainwashing for the NHS. gotta make sure that the population believes the NHS is some kind of army fighting the coronavirus on the beaches so that when they die they "nobly sacrificed themselves for freedom" rather than "died of a preventable illness becuase of government inaction, incompetence, and frankly, malaise" I've been trying come up with a way of articulating this to my generally well-intentioned but liberal parents. It certainly does feel like it's preparing the ground to write losses off as the heroic and unavoidable sacrifice of martyrs at a time of crisis, while allowing those complaining to be immediately accused of disrespect. It seems to be at once a weaponisation of the NHS and a process of hollowing it out though abstraction. I'm kind of thinking aloud here but something is sitting real uneasy with me about it all.
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OwlFancier posted:I thought the idea was that it obviously makes you more at risk if you catch it because your lungs are hosed but that something about it seems to prevent people from catching it at all. Either behaviourally or whatever. Inherent physical distancing because nobody likes the smell of old smoke on your clothes.
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Failed Imagineer posted:It's 2020, all drugs are suppositories now.  ThomasPaine posted:can't wait to shove insulin suppositories up my rear end at the dinner table while daring someone to say something
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ThomasPaine posted:I've been trying come up with a way of articulating this to my generally well-intentioned but liberal parents. It certainly does feel like it's preparing the ground to write losses off as the heroic and unavoidable sacrifice of martyrs at a time of crisis, while allowing those complaining to be immediately accused of disrespect. It seems to be at once a weaponisation of the NHS and a process of hollowing it out though abstraction. I'm kind of thinking aloud here but something is sitting real uneasy with me about it all. Don't contradict, elaborate. They want to clap and show support, well the NHS and carehomes staff need adequate PPE and staff levels, maybe chant something in support of that as well while clapping?
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ThomasPaine posted:I still wonder how they get around the idea that lots of these risk factors are disproportionately represented amongst the elderly, and its impossible to then determine which precise things contributed to mortality. Absent a causal graph, this type of analysis is extremely prone to Simpson's Paradox, ie totally loving useless for solving problems
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OwlFancier posted:I thought the idea was that it obviously makes you more at risk if you catch it because your lungs are hosed but that something about it seems to prevent people from catching it at all. Either behaviourally or whatever. The interesting thing to me is that smokers in general, as well as the actual health problems that smoking cause, tend to be more at risk of catching any bugs going round simply because the actual act of smoking (putting your hand next to/touching your face repeatedly) increases your chances of infection. This suggests that the protective action - whatever it is - is actually even stronger than the stats suggest. If the nicotine patch trial goes nowhere, it might also be interesting to compare it to ambient pollution levels (controlled for social factors that tend to go along with living in polluted areas obviously) to see if it might be something to do with irritation of the lungs, or even carbon monoxide levels in the blood. Anyway here's my theory - smokers are making more trips out of the house (to buy fags, and often to smoke them) but otherwise are more socially distanced (both from going out for a fag, and because they're all so damned cool that people are intimidated by us - erm, them), meaning that they're being exposed to very small amounts of the virus and are actually being effectively vaccinated.
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Ash Crimson posted:Does anyone else feel like that lockdown is slowly ebbing away? Considering the number of people I have to dodge to and from work, this started 5 weeks ago.
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Our initial lockdown was poo poo, you can see this because we reached a plateau rather than a curve. Rather than shutting down enough activity to cause the R0 to drop well below zero and so stop the spread enough to allow largescale testing and tracing to manage the remaining cases we've instead shut down enough of the economy to stabilise the spread of the virus at fairly constant plateau - it'll keep spreading at the current rate (or thereabouts) until enough people are dead or immune that the R0 gradually shrinks as it runs out of fresh targets. So there were still way too many people out doing things to ever stop the virus and opening anything up again will simply increase the spread again because not enough of us have been infected already and we have no way of tracking or controlling it. Relaxing anything at this point is basically murderous, relaxing anything without an adequate tracking and tracing system in place is neglient at best.
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Ash Crimson posted:Does anyone else feel like that lockdown is slowly ebbing away? good thing we haven't got a sunny bank holiday weekend coming up and the government didn't anonymously brief the newspapers to tell everyone that the lockdown is over on monday! sorry, I mean "completely accidentally give the newspapers the impression they would end the lockdown on monday", they would never anonymously brief fragmentary public health advice to the papers as that would be dangerously irresponsible at the best of times, let alone in the middle of a pandemic namesake posted:Our initial lockdown was poo poo, you can see this because we reached a plateau rather than a curve. Rather than shutting down enough activity to cause the R0 to drop well below zero and so stop the spread enough to allow largescale testing and tracing to manage the remaining cases we've instead shut down enough of the economy to stabilise the spread of the virus at fairly constant plateau - it'll keep spreading at the current rate (or thereabouts) until enough people are dead or immune that the R0 gradually shrinks as it runs out of fresh targets. So there were still way too many people out doing things to ever stop the virus and opening anything up again will simply increase the spread again because not enough of us have been infected already and we have no way of tracking or controlling it. Yeah, it's ridiculous and it will kill people. The government will be gung ho on opening the blood gates, gently caress you and die for the economy, peasants, up until they remember that there is no "save the economy" option which is why we did the lockdown in the first place. Then we can have a few weeks of "lockdown" before repeating the process again I do wonder if the multiple waves hypothesis has become a bit of a self-fulfilling prediction. They've convinced themselves its inevitable regardless of our choices, so we can't stay locked down until the whole thing goes away, so we open up as soon as possible after each lockdown, so we get more waves XMNN fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 7, 2020 |
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The most boring possible answer to the smokers not catching it thing is that people lie to doctors. When in hospital for a lung ailment and asked if they're a smoker they say 'no' out of embaresment. if nicotine does make the virus less hospitable for the lungs though I wonder what that means for vapers.
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massive spider posted:if nicotine does make the virus less hospitable for the lungs though I wonder what that means for vapers. It means they become more insufferable.
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