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CharlieFoxtrot posted:It's not even the dog-killing part that really gets me, it's the "Watch as you see the consequences of your actions, this human being which loved another creature as they mourn and feel the depths of despair... probably seconds before you slit their throat and watch the blood gurgle realistically out as the spark in their eyes fades away" You know Rover, we really are the last of us too
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That dog thing is real? yo, gently caress this game and ND
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https://twitter.com/deathcab4booty/status/1258274298575220737 https://twitter.com/shambrookben/status/1258294604471779329
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May 7, 2020 20:06
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Codependent Poster posted:That dog thing is real? From the press previews last September: https://www.polygon.com/2019/9/26/20884292/the-last-of-us-part-2-gameplay-preview-dogs You don't actually have to kill the dogs, you can distract them with other stealth options.
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May 7, 2020 20:06
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the spoilers about how the game opens + this really makes it seem like tlou2 is being specifically made to annoy people who didnt get the themes of tlou1 and im here for it
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May 7, 2020 20:07
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If they wanted us to believe the Fireflies could actually find a cure maybe they shouldn't have made them hilariously incompetent at literally everything else they're shown doing. Did ND not realize that that's what they did with them?
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May 7, 2020 20:10
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Codependent Poster posted:That dog thing is real? Apparently the dog "feature" wasn't actually written by ND - it's from a Gamestop listing: https://www.gamestop.com/collection/last-of-us-part-2
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May 7, 2020 20:13
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Stux posted:the spoilers about how the game opens + this really makes it seem like tlou2 is being specifically made to annoy people who didnt get the themes of tlou1 and im here for it lol
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May 7, 2020 20:13
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I'm actually fully on board with this edgy disaster after playing through Modern Warfare 2019. Missions ping pong between massive collateral damage as you blind fire down not-Iraqi alleys in the dark, characters unironically complaining that the rules of engagement are needless shackles, and the player characters acting as World Police terrorists in Russia / Georgia at the request of the CIA. Lets do it ND, lets play that game about hate.
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May 7, 2020 20:14
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Nail Rat posted:If they wanted us to believe the Fireflies could actually find a cure maybe they shouldn't have made them hilariously incompetent at literally everything else they're shown doing. didnt the fireflies successfully overthrow the military multiple times with the "failure" being people then turning around and also killing them "just in case"
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May 7, 2020 20:15
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Crimpolioni posted:Haven't seen the leaks, but if Ellie doesn't know Joel was lying in the sequal it'd be stupid. The ending of Tlou 1 was clearly them agreeing on a story they could both pretend to belive in, not one person convincing another. From what it looks like Ellie knows Joel lied but not specifics, which I think is a reasonable way to handle it. There's a lot of grey area between "Joel told the 100% truth" and "Joel murdered everyone there including my mom." Nail Rat posted:If they wanted us to believe the Fireflies could actually find a cure maybe they shouldn't have made them hilariously incompetent at literally everything else they're shown doing. I am fairly sure their goal was "people struggling in a horrifying post-apocalypse" and not "lol these people have no idea what they're doing." You can argue about if they succeeded or not but the goal wasn't "these random collectables actually reveal the Fireflies were a literal clownshoes organization who never knew anything ever" which is pretty much people trying to justify Joel's choice as being Morally Correct. Also I'm not super interested in killing dogs but if it has to be in the game I'd prefer it being treated as something you feel like utter poo poo if you do.It's still another mark against me actually playing it though.
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May 7, 2020 20:20
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ImpAtom posted:From what it looks like Ellie knows Joel lied but not specifics, which I think is a reasonable way to handle it. There's a lot of grey area between "Joel told the 100% truth" and "Joel murdered everyone there including my mom." Her mom? I never had that read on Marlene's character, at all, but maybe I'm misremembering and there's some context I missed. For the dog thing, they did say in last year's previews that the you could finish the whole game without harming any dogs - killing the dogs is meant to feel like poo poo and drive players to consider it a last resort when they're about to get caught - this is similar to how much they tried to humanize the human enemies by giving everyone names and having them do callouts.
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May 7, 2020 20:31
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Stux posted:didnt the fireflies successfully overthrow the military multiple times with the "failure" being people then turning around and also killing them "just in case" Where did they overthrow the military? If they ever did that successfully, I don't recall it - and I played through the game 3 times. I thought randos overthrew the military in Pittsburgh and became the hunters you fight. The Fireflies get clowned on in Boston, both in the quarantine zone and at the capital, and then there's the idiot at the lab who let himself get bitten by infected monkeys. And they've clearly had other "candidates" for a vaccine and those all failed. I can't think of one single thing they succeeded at, for all the weight the game's intro gives them.
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May 7, 2020 20:32
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Stux posted:the spoilers about how the game opens + this really makes it seem like tlou2 is being specifically made to annoy people who didnt get the themes of tlou1 and im here for it The entire game exists one hundred percent to allow Neil Drukman to masturbate to how smart he is and how smart his stories are. When he's done pulling pud he opens his eyes, the rest of the Daesh atrocity hazily plays out in front of him and he says "Violence, hate, bad. Really makes you think." A few heavy breaths. Then he sighs and loads up 2 guys 1 hammer and goes for another round of dick blistering enlightenment.
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May 7, 2020 20:32
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SIGSEGV posted:The entire game exists one hundred percent to allow Neil Drukman to masturbate to how smart he is and how smart his stories are. 
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May 7, 2020 20:35
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Dude makes his staff watch liveleak and snuff videos to get the bone cracking right, you won't make me believe he doesn't have wholly wholesome interests in them.
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May 7, 2020 20:37
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SIGSEGV posted:The entire game exists one hundred percent to allow Neil Drukman to masturbate to how smart he is and how smart his stories are. your posts just keep getting more bizarre probably need to take 5
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May 7, 2020 20:39
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Nail Rat posted:Where did they overthrow the military? If they ever did that successfully, I don't recall it - and I played through the game 3 times. I thought randos overthrew the military in Pittsburgh and became the hunters you fight. in pittsburgh it was fireflies leading and starting it, and then once the military were gone the non-fireflies turned on the fireflies, and then after that it all devolved even further into what we're left with in the game. also none of the other test subjects were literally immune to the virus.
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SIGSEGV posted:The entire game exists one hundred percent to allow Neil Drukman to masturbate to how smart he is and how smart his stories are. Your hateboner about the guy is more disturbing than anything in the game tbh
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Ham posted:Her mom? I never had that read on Marlene's character, at all, but maybe I'm misremembering and there's some context I missed. Ellie's birth mom died at birth and was very close to Marlene. Marlene raised her (though she wasn't the greatest parent) and obviously considered her her daughter. The entire reason that she asks them to leave Joel alive is because she thinks he (the new dad) will be the only one to understand what she is going through.Like the entire reason the ending thing happens is because Marlene felt that Ellie's other parent was the only one who could understand the situation and she couldn't stand being alone in that. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 20:49
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the real cycles of violence were the posts made along the way
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May 7, 2020 20:51
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the fireflies are dumb because they have this walking apocalypse that just nearly single-handedly murdered his way across America to get to them and they decide the best course of action after pissing him off is to send one guy with a pistol to escort him
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May 7, 2020 20:53
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Ham posted:Your hateboner about the guy is more disturbing than anything in the game tbh Not really a hateboner, he's just the visible decision maker. It's a prestige TV thing, except it's a game instead, it's not deep or thoughtful, it's just trying to be shocking and edgy enoughto get attention, views / plays and praise. Basically, to be a gaming game of thrones like. Except GRRM is more into prostitutes and food.
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FallenGod posted:I'm actually fully on board with this edgy disaster after playing through Modern Warfare 2019. Missions ping pong between massive collateral damage as you blind fire down not-Iraqi alleys in the dark, characters unironically complaining that the rules of engagement are needless shackles, and the player characters acting as World Police terrorists in Russia / Georgia at the request of the CIA. play specs ops the line
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Nail Rat posted:Where did they overthrow the military? If they ever did that successfully, I don't recall it - and I played through the game 3 times. I thought randos overthrew the military in Pittsburgh and became the hunters you fight. Yeah even without the audiologue it was obvious the Fireflies were useless. Their goals are bad too. Bring back the US government? They just want a fantasy of returning to how things were, when they can never be that way again. I also feel the audiologue is entirely for your benefit, not Joel's. I also think for all the talk of theme I don't think it's one of redemption but the cost of survival. Every human has paid some cost to keep surviving, and saving Ellie is more discussing the cost of an imagined return to the old order. Is a human sacrifice worth it? Would sacrificing Ellie mean humanity is worthy of survival? And I feel it isn't. Joel has changed, but not been redeemed. What has changed is him caring enough to not walk away from difficult things. Like I don't think a Joel that walked away would be any more moral than the Joel in game. And of course personally I think if the Fireflies did sacrifice Ellie their work would always be tainted and not worth clinging too, when the game shows new and better ways to survive and live thanks to Tommy.
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Zeta Acosta posted:play specs ops the line I can already call down white phosphorus on a bunch of 13 year olds in multiplayer, though.
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Codependent Poster posted:That dog thing is real? Ham posted:For the dog thing, they did say in last year's previews that the you could finish the whole game without harming any dogs - killing the dogs is meant to feel like poo poo and drive players to consider it a last resort when they're about to get caught - this is similar to how much they tried to humanize the human enemies by giving everyone names and having them do callouts. "Features that developers put into their games but they don't want you to actually experience" is an interesting category to think about. What are some other examples?
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crawling in the snow trying to not get heard a vicious dog attacks my leg and i blast him in self defence and old lady comes from the woods and starts crying about her poor dog i blast a shootgun on her face because i dont want to be heard really makes you think
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May 7, 2020 21:21
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ErrEff posted:"Features that developers put into their games but they don't want you to actually experience" is an interesting category to think about. What are some other examples? The one that comes most to mind is the entirety of Spec Ops: The Line. The entire game is a screed against the actions you're taking as a player and the message imparted throughout and at the end includes "The poo poo I'm doing is reprehensible - I'm not the good guy". It's meant to juxtapose the player having fun shooting that white phosphorous at enemy combatants, having fun shooting the "redshirts" in the campaign against the same desensitization to violence you have when playing these war games. The violence in TLOU2, the humanization of the enemies and groups, all of that is in service of imparting the same message - real violence is horrific.
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ErrEff posted:"Features that developers put into their games but they don't want you to actually experience" is an interesting category to think about. What are some other examples? Far Cry 4 had that pretty good ending right at the start. I thus assume the game itself was a feature the developers did not want you to experience.
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May 7, 2020 21:22
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oh no Murder the dog got murdered! oh man oh geez
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Eimi posted:Yeah even without the audiologue it was obvious the Fireflies were useless. Their goals are bad too. Bring back the US government? They just want a fantasy of returning to how things were, when they can never be that way again. I also feel the audiologue is entirely for your benefit, not Joel's. the fireflies goal wrt bringing back the US gov is obviously reactionary and unrealistic, however their goal to create a cure or vaccine is not only good but probably needed. the human settlements keep falling to the infection eventually, and even if places like tommy's are much more forward thinking and positive in how to reorganise society it doesnt obviate the need to actually find a way to stop the infection from continuing to spread. its almost like all the groups and people are flawed in some way and its not all black and white good or bad.
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ErrEff posted:"Features that developers put into their games but they don't want you to actually experience" is an interesting category to think about. What are some other examples? They are pretty common. Most stealth games, for example, are built around the idea that you don't want to engage the enemies, even in games where that isn't an insta-lose. (Metal Gear Solid being the king of the heap in this regards.) Trying to encourage players not to do things by making them uncomfortable/unfun is a pretty basic part of gameplay design, especially if you have something that would otherwise be an encounter-killer.
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also people keep bringing up that one of their scientists did a dumb thing as if thats proof of anything when the US's very successful tests with nuclear weapons also involved two seperate incidents with the same object where people blasted themselves with lethal radiation and died because they were doing insanely stupid things with it for no good reason.
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It's fun to waste guards in Metal Gear, Hitman, or Splinter Cell, the incentive not to do it is for a higher score
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May 7, 2020 21:35
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The dog thing seems even more trivial than the muscle girl. You kill dogs in tons of games. Generally speaking if the dog attacks you it’s a-ok. I accidentally dynamited a dog in rdr 2. Who cares There’s lots of actual reasons the game is gonna be trash
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I got a dog literally just today and after four hours of owning a dog I would destroy anyone who harmed her. And I expect no less from the enemies in The Last of Us 2 after I headshot Fido, Fifi, and Rex from the bushes. Bring it on, meatbags, I welcome your hatred. 
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May 7, 2020 23:45
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What if the only cure for fungus zombies was to cut your dog's brain out. makes u think maybe man is teh monster
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May 7, 2020 23:48
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The weird dismissive focus people have on "theoretical choices that are not 100% realism" is always kind of weird to me. Like The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas isn't that either but it still makes its point.
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