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readingatwork posted:All the liberal war crime apologia for the Bush years lately is really getting under my skin and I think we need to remind people of just how bad those years were. Anybody interested in me starting a “let’s re-litigate the Bush years” thread? I think it might be fun to go back through the news archives week by week and relive all the greatest hits along with the smaller scandals everybody’s forgotten about (remember Terry Schaivo!?). I would be very much on board with this. I'm right there with you in thinking that some very hard-learned lessons have been purposefully forgotten in the attempts to rehabilitate W.
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teacup posted:Ok so we’ve literally reached the point of “vote for Biden = kill the planet” Do you have a response? If it's so absurd it should be easy for you to prove that Biden will actually take action on climate change that will prevent the climate apocalypse that is pretty much scientific consensus at this point if nothing meaningful is done. Do you disagree with the statement that Biden's climate plans are grossly insufficient and fall far short of what the experts say is absolutely necessary, or do you disagree with the experts themselves and believe that Biden's inaction will not actually cause that much damage? Those are the only two options; either you think that Biden is, in defiance of his entire history and the actions of the administration he was part of, going to go further than the climate plans on his website and will actually seriously combat climate change, or you disagree with the science and don't think that things will be so bad.
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Araenna posted:It sucks that saying "you shouldn't vote for Biden, because he sexually assaulted me" somehow hurts someone's credibility. Of course, it probably doesn't matter, since if she doesn't say that, people accuse her of lying, because they just ask how could she support him if he really assaulted her. There's really no way to win. yeah it's a rigged game so people who want to believe the man can dismiss victims no matter what they do if you say the man should be forced out of office you have a political agenda so you're obviously lying, if you say he shouldn't or you're not sure then you're obviously lying for attention or it must not really have been that bad.
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teacup posted:Ok so we’ve literally reached the point of “vote for Biden = kill the planet” We are hosed now. The candidates that actually cared about climate change are gone. Now it doesn't matter if you vote for Biden or Trump....rich people just going to crush all us climate refugees.
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The planet? Lol that's weaksauce arguing. Biden is going to open a portal to the eldritch other realms and bring forth the 100-handed elder god shrug-groperoth to destroy the universe, change my mind.
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May 7, 2020 23:00
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i got owned posted:Don't vote for any rapists, imo. Sorry if that's a little far out for some of the posters in this thread. I'll vote for EVERY rapist. In the which rapist sucks election.
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May 7, 2020 23:01
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readingatwork posted:All the liberal war crime apologia for the Bush years lately is really getting under my skin and I think we need to remind people of just how bad those years were. Anybody interested in me starting a “let’s re-litigate the Bush years” thread? I think it might be fun to go back through the news archives week by week and relive all the greatest hits along with the smaller scandals everybody’s forgotten about (remember Terry Schaivo!?). Falstaff posted:I would be very much on board with this. I'm right there with you in thinking that some very hard-learned lessons have been purposefully forgotten in the attempts to rehabilitate W. I'd be down because it bugs the poo poo out of me too. His presidency started with my adulthood and basically has defined my adult life, all of it bad. He hosed up the civil rights we used to have, he created the modern surveillance state, he tortured and killed people abroad with impunity, he flushed the economy completely down the toilet and oh right, HE LET THE WORST TERRORIST ATTACK IN OUR HISTORY HAPPEN by being a dumbfuck. Katrina. The list goes on and on. gently caress Bush and gently caress Centrist Bush apologia. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 23:07 on May 7, 2020 |
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May 7, 2020 23:08
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 Somehow this works. What a weird six month's we are all in for.
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Dixon Chisholm posted:I'll vote for EVERY rapist. That might be voter fraud
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May 7, 2020 23:24
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Raskolnikov38 posted:actually it doesn’t matter who you vote for in November anymore with the primary over because we’re all going to die from climate change now anyway Literally everyone who is a climate scientist disagrees with you. Are you out of touch? No, it's must the VitalSigns posted:100-handed elder god shrug-groperoth to destroy the universe, change my mind. Ah. It *is* you Crowder. Suddenly the posts makes more sense.
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May 7, 2020 23:37
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carbon neutral by 2050 is not a solution, sorry
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May 7, 2020 23:40
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Literally everyone who is a climate scientist disagrees with you. Are you out of touch? No, it's must the So climate scientists say that biden's plan is good enough? Or do they just feel the need to endorse one of the two candidates that are likely to win? Because I've as yet to see anything other than "better than trump". Which isn't good enough
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ManBoyChef posted:We are hosed now. The candidates that actually cared about climate change are gone. Now it doesn't matter if you vote for Biden or Trump....rich people just going to crush all us climate refugees. This is one of many reasons why it's essential to not lie down and accept Biden. We already have one major party where climate denialism is the official platform. If Biden is the Dem nominee, it'll be two major parties because he will ignore or refuse to act on any science that is inconvenient and most of the party will fall in line behind him. Misrepresenting the science or acting like it says something less urgent than it does is another form of denialism and dooms the planet just as surely. If you think you can do anything about the climate crisis through electoralism, then you need to be pressuring the party about this nonstop, not making excuses for Joe because he's "better" than Trump in a way that is still going to lead to climate collapse and mass death; accepting him as your best option now, six months before the election, and defending his climate stance only shows that you are completely unserious about opposing climate change.
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May 7, 2020 23:43
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Am I the only one who thinks that arguing that Biden will be worse for the environment or just as bad or whatever is a waste of time? Or that he'll lead to a worse conservative in 2024 or won't help anyone? No one knows what Biden is going to do. Busting out graphs and charts and quotes means nothing. The most important thing and the most concrete thing is that voting for Biden is allowing his and the Democratic party's behavior. They both just undermined the democratic process right in front of our faces who gives a red hot gently caress about his policies? I'm going to guess the answer is"yes" which I suppose I can live with
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May 7, 2020 23:59
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Rainbow Knight posted:Am I the only one who thinks that arguing that Biden will be worse for the environment or just as bad or whatever is a waste of time? Or that he'll lead to a worse conservative in 2024 or won't help anyone? No one knows what Biden is going to do. Busting out graphs and charts and quotes means nothing. The most important thing and the most concrete thing is that voting for Biden is allowing his and the Democratic party's behavior. They both just undermined the democratic process right in front of our faces who gives a red hot gently caress about his policies? I'm inclined to agree both based on there being literally no way to predict what is going to happen anymore (though if we follow historical trends, boy howdy are we hosed with either a Biden or Trump presidency), and also because we don't exactly live in a democracy and thus have little to no choice in the matter.
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And there it is. https://twitter.com/BerninginCali/status/1258527072340701185?s=20 It's not too late to cut your losses, Biden supporters. It only gets worse from here.
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Rainbow Knight posted:Am I the only one who thinks that arguing that Biden will be worse for the environment or just as bad or whatever is a waste of time? Or that he'll lead to a worse conservative in 2024 or won't help anyone? No one knows what Biden is going to do. Busting out graphs and charts and quotes means nothing. The most important thing and the most concrete thing is that voting for Biden is allowing his and the Democratic party's behavior. They both just undermined the democratic process right in front of our faces who gives a red hot gently caress about his policies? i mean he's better than trump on it but his plan doesn't actually meaningfully address the problem
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Rainbow Knight posted:Am I the only one who thinks that arguing that Biden will be worse for the environment or just as bad or whatever is a waste of time? Or that he'll lead to a worse conservative in 2024 or won't help anyone? No one knows what Biden is going to do. Busting out graphs and charts and quotes means nothing. The most important thing and the most concrete thing is that voting for Biden is allowing his and the Democratic party's behavior. They both just undermined the democratic process right in front of our faces who gives a red hot gently caress about his policies? We can look at Biden's 40 year political history to realize that we are pretty hosed and we should strap in for some amazing means tested austerity measures. How much do you want to bet he cuts or freezes social security? What can we do to stop this? I really think we are beaten and stupid libs and boomers are going to put the last couple nails in our collective coffins. We can't wait for the boomers to die off and libs vote based on feelings and ideology not policy, we don't have enough time anymore.
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Rainbow Knight posted:Am I the only one who thinks that arguing that Biden will be worse for the environment or just as bad or whatever is a waste of time? Or that he'll lead to a worse conservative in 2024 or won't help anyone? No one knows what Biden is going to do. Busting out graphs and charts and quotes means nothing. The most important thing and the most concrete thing is that voting for Biden is allowing his and the Democratic party's behavior. They both just undermined the democratic process right in front of our faces who gives a red hot gently caress about his policies? I've already said that I refuse to give my vote to a rapist or reward the Democratic party for their behavior and have already officially left the party, and since I live in California I know my state is going to go for Biden anyway. But some people in this thread are trying to convince themselves that it's moral and good to cave immediately and stan a rapey, racist climate-denialist, so I have been trying to show that even by their own standards and logic supporting Biden now is a foolish, unjustifiable move unless you care about neither ethics nor results and are only concerned about appearance. And even then I would think that finding someone other than a rapist would be the way to go there, but I can't really say much there because that's not how I think. is pepsi ok posted:And there it is. https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1258527285528809472 Looking forward to unironic versions of this take in a day or two.
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Roland Jones posted:I've already said that I refuse to give my vote to a rapist or reward the Democratic party for their behavior and have already officially left the party, and since I live in California I know my state is going to go for Biden anyway. But some people in this thread are trying to convince themselves that it's moral and good to cave immediately and stan a rapey, racist climate-denialist, so I have been trying to show that even by their own standards and logic supporting Biden now is a foolish, unjustifiable move unless you care about neither ethics nor results and are only concerned about appearance. And even then I would think that finding someone other than a rapist would be the way to go there, but I can't really say much there because that's not how I think. Look, it's not a time machine. It's the same Russian hackers who made Joy Reid post homophobic poo poo on her blog. I don't know what's hard to grasp about this.
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ManBoyChef posted:We can look at Biden's 40 year political history to realize that we are pretty hosed and we should strap in for some amazing means tested austerity measures. How much do you want to bet he cuts or freezes social security? I mean, I'm definitely not saying you guys are wrong, just that all the liberal trolls have to do is say "nuh-uh!" and it's the same circular argument that you guys fall for every god drat time because no one can prove he'll be worse than Trump when the bar is set by trolls at "your argument must be 100% flawless even though we're all just spitballing anyway"
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How are u posted:What kind of question is this? Why does anybody give in to pressure from activists? Because the public pressure becomes too high and the politically smart move becomes giving into some demands. He’s going to let climate activists get murdered by law enforcement the same way he and Obama allowed activists to get murdered by law enforcement during OWS.
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is pepsi ok posted:And there it is. drat, and it looks like Biden does the same thing Trump does whenever they rape someone.
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How about Peter Doau going full on comrade. I have a hell of a lot more respect for him now.
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Roland Jones posted:I've already said that I refuse to give my vote to a rapist or reward the Democratic party for their behavior and have already officially left the party, and since I live in California I know my state is going to go for Biden anyway. But some people in this thread are trying to convince themselves that it's moral and good to cave immediately and stan a rapey, racist climate-denialist, so I have been trying to show that even by their own standards and logic supporting Biden now is a foolish, unjustifiable move unless you care about neither ethics nor results and are only concerned about appearance. And even then I would think that finding someone other than a rapist would be the way to go there, but I can't really say much there because that's not how I think. Fellow Californian, what have we learned about "by your logic" arguments when speaking to bad faith trolls? Let's all just hold hands and say "gently caress off" together, as siblings in arms 
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Rainbow Knight posted:Fellow Californian, what have we learned about "by your logic" arguments when speaking to bad faith trolls? Yeah they're basically the (D) version of the MAGA shitheads who were screaming "Are you triggered???" at everyone online after Hillary ate poo poo. You're not going to logic them away lmao ManBoyChef posted:How about Peter Doau going full on comrade. I have a hell of a lot more respect for him now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqADR4Fj88 is pepsi ok posted:And there it is. Somehow I doubt any amount of evidence will stop the cable news brain poison crew. I've already seen them say (on social media, not here) that the hair sniffing videos off cspan are russian video editing 
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I still can't believe why the gross poo poo he does on loving C-SPAN was never a big deal in the mainstream. I can't even think of another politician who has done poo poo like that even once on camera, let alone dozens of times.
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Majorian posted:Look, it's not a time machine. It's the same Russian hackers who made Joy Reid post homophobic poo poo on her blog. I don't know what's hard to grasp about this. Can't wait for some shitlib to talk about how this document was printed out by some Russian operatives and then quietly putin the records.
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gandlethorpe posted:I still can't believe why the gross poo poo he does on loving C-SPAN was never a big deal in the mainstream. I can't even think of another politician who has done poo poo like that even once on camera, let alone dozens of times. What people truly hate about Donald Trump is that he reveals the ugliest parts of our society. He's too stupid to guard himself, and can only show the naked truth. So when Donald Trump says that "when you're famous enough, you can do anything you want," the world was aghast, not because he was wrong, but because they knew he was right. Joe Biden was the vice president, and there's nothing he's not allowed to do. On camera. In public. To Hillary loving Clinton.
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Roland Jones posted:I've already said that I refuse to give my vote to a rapist or reward the Democratic party for their behavior and have already officially left the party, and since I live in California I know my state is going to go for Biden anyway. But some people in this thread are trying to convince themselves that it's moral and good to cave immediately and stan a rapey, racist climate-denialist, so I have been trying to show that even by their own standards and logic supporting Biden now is a foolish, unjustifiable move unless you care about neither ethics nor results and are only concerned about appearance. And even then I would think that finding someone other than a rapist would be the way to go there, but I can't really say much there because that's not how I think. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nixon was right: if the President does it, it's not illegal
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awesmoe posted:for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault It corroborates that she was sexually harassed while working in Biden's office and was asked to leave
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awesmoe posted:for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault 
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awesmoe posted:for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault
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It's an important distinction, because one is acceptable and other isn't for a presidential candidate.
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Rainbow Knight posted:I mean, I'm definitely not saying you guys are wrong, just that all the liberal trolls have to do is say "nuh-uh!" and it's the same circular argument that you guys fall for every god drat time because no one can prove he'll be worse than Trump when the bar is set by trolls at "your argument must be 100% flawless even though we're all just spitballing anyway" This is basically what it comes down to; the liberals on the other side of this argument basically blindly believe that Biden will do good things (or at least be open to being "pushed left" by activists), and in their minds it's literally impossible to disprove this. Their logic is basically that it makes sense to assume that a Democrat will do good things until proved otherwise (where the proof requires them actually being elected and serving their full term). It really comes down to them viewing politics as a means of personal expression. In their minds, it's better to be "the optimistic person who was let down" than to be a "cynical" person who doesn't trust a politician.
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awesmoe posted:for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault Astonishing.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:What people truly hate about Donald Trump is that he reveals the ugliest parts of our society. He's too stupid to guard himself, and can only show the naked truth. The first time this really sank in for me was when everyone reacted to his "You think our country's so innocent?" comment the same way Republicans did to the Dixie Chicks saying the US was bad for doing the Iraq war. awesmoe posted:for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault gently caress you.
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