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Time to get out from under the doona and get ronid
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JBP posted:Time to get out from under the doona and get ronid What happened to "listen to the experts"?
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May 8, 2020 05:13
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Mad Katter posted:
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May 8, 2020 05:14
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I don't get what you people want. Do you want literally zero cases for a few weeks before you want things open? Do you want a vaccine? Explain what it is you think would be a safe environment in which to open businesses.
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May 8, 2020 05:16
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CelestialScribe posted:gently caress off with this bullshit why are you booing him, he's right
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May 8, 2020 05:25
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CelestialScribe posted:I don't get what you people want. One where workers aren't forced to prioritise work over the health of themselves nor the people they care about and can still survive without undue burden like going into debt, bankruptcy, starvation or homelessness.
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May 8, 2020 05:26
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Les Affaires posted:One where workers aren't forced to prioritise work over the health of themselves nor the people they care about and can still survive without undue burden like going into debt, bankruptcy, starvation or homelessness. *JBP Voice* lol
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May 8, 2020 05:26
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Most of the problems people have with the Australian government response continue to be because of Morrison being shithouse at messaging. New Zealand is also gradually lifting restrictions and talking about their plans, but Ardern has strong trust from the public because she talks to the people of her country like a loving adult.
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May 8, 2020 05:29
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In good news, Seven got rid of Pete Evans
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May 8, 2020 05:31
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Les Affaires posted:One where workers aren't forced to prioritise work over the health of themselves nor the people they care about and can still survive without undue burden like going into debt, bankruptcy, starvation or homelessness. So what does that look like for you?
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May 8, 2020 05:36
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CelestialScribe posted:What happened to "listen to the experts"? I am quoting the prime minister's lovely messaging not riling you.
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May 8, 2020 05:36
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i don’t think zero cases for 14 days before lifting restrictions is a big ask
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May 8, 2020 05:40
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Solemn Sloth posted:Sweet, so in Stage 3 Melbourne can start hosting home games at the MCG again Which brings me back to stage three. How the gently caress do people whose livelihood relies on events with more than 100 participants return to work? Their simple easy to understand reassurance is full of imponderables and won't make the several hundred thousand or so people working in the entertainment industry feel any more reassured. Well except for being reassured that the clowns in charge have no clue how their industry works and couldn't organise a chook raffle in a packed RSL.
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May 8, 2020 05:40
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Senor Tron posted:Most of the problems people have with the Australian government response continue to be because of Morrison being shithouse at messaging. This is it really, there's no honesty about the plan, instead it's "you've earned an early mark!" Like, it seems to me the reason we're opening up is not because it's safe to do so, but because they've decided we're not going to hunker down and wait for a vaccine that may not come, and instead the economy matters more and our hospitals are equipped "enough" so that they won't get overwhelmed if we keep the opening up (and related spread of covid) gradual. This plan means more people will die that wouldn't have if we took a different route like waiting for a vaccine, but less people will die than if we just opened it all up and never shut things down to begin with, and that seems like the trade off policy they've picked. But you won't hear anyone actually say that...
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May 8, 2020 05:41
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bowmore posted:i don’t think zero cases for 14 days before lifting restrictions is a big ask It's not. There's a pretty humorous amount of backslapping and "we did it" going on right now in Vic and NSW which smells like a fall being on its way.
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May 8, 2020 05:42
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morrison changing the covid supplement from 6 months to “we’ll reassess in June” is a kick in the teeth to struggling people
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May 8, 2020 05:42
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JBP posted:It's not.
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May 8, 2020 05:43
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bowmore posted:morrison changing the covid supplement from 6 months to “we’ll reassess in June” is a kick in the teeth to struggling people I think a lot of people are about to receive a startling insight into what it means to be dole poor.
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May 8, 2020 05:43
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JBP posted:I think a lot of people are about to receive a startling insight into what it means to be dole poor.
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May 8, 2020 05:44
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You tried ronidole, now try classic dole
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May 8, 2020 05:45
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bowmore posted:morrison changing the covid supplement from 6 months to “we’ll reassess in June” is a kick in the teeth to struggling people I'm no economist, but talking loudly about how Newstart is going to drop back down seems like a loving stupid thing to do for a stimulus measure. If I was on Newstart and receiving the supplement, it would make me want to save as much of it as possible, entirely the opposite of what you want from financial stimulus. If they think that people can't afford to not spend it, then that's just an admission that the standard rate is way too low.
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May 8, 2020 05:46
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JBP posted:It's not. Is there?! Dandrews has resisted some pretty cooked takes by the media and LNP to go "wait until Monday" and I'm not entirely sure he'll adopt all of stage 1 even.
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May 8, 2020 05:47
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bowmore posted:i don’t think zero cases for 14 days before lifting restrictions is a big ask Problem is, even a measure like that is open for interpretation. SA went 14 days and then had one pop up, but was it a) a overseas acquired transmission that was no longer active, b) overseas but still active, c) community transmission. Government is saying likely a (but treating it like b), so does the counter for opening start again? If you do have a hard measure, even if the reality is (c) there is going to be alot of pressure to assign it to (a).
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May 8, 2020 05:48
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Quantum Shart posted:Is there?! Dandrews has resisted some pretty cooked takes by the media and LNP to go "wait until Monday" and I'm not entirely sure he'll adopt all of stage 1 even. Andrews was very good, but he was still all smiles and pisstaking. I'm talking more about the community though. My circle of friends are breaking pretty hard now. The frustrations Andrews was talking about are a real pressure and I expect many people to just say gently caress it since there is a "plan". The ABC reporters were all beaming away too lol. Everyone they've shown has been very satisfied with themselves.
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May 8, 2020 05:50
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Senor Tron posted:Most of the problems people have with the Australian government response continue to be because of Morrison being shithouse at messaging. I wonder what it'd be like to have an actual mature and non-condescending head of state? It must be nice. I gotta say, when my wife and I went to New Zealand a few years back, it genuinely felt like the kind of place that Australia claims to be, but isn't.
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May 8, 2020 05:59
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Breakfast Burrito posted:This is it really, there's no honesty about the plan, instead it's "you've earned an early mark!" Like, it seems to me the reason we're opening up is not because it's safe to do so, but because they've decided we're not going to hunker down and wait for a vaccine that may not come, and instead the economy matters more and our hospitals are equipped "enough" so that they won't get overwhelmed if we keep the opening up (and related spread of covid) gradual. Shutting everything down to wait for a vaccine is not a realistic option.
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May 8, 2020 06:06
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CelestialScribe posted:Shutting everything down to wait for a vaccine is not a realistic option. Ahhh well, guess I'll die then
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May 8, 2020 06:07
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kirbysuperstar posted:Ahhh well, guess I'll die then Are you happy to shut down schools, businesses, no social meetings, for 2/3/4 years?
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May 8, 2020 06:08
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The jobkeeper money literally only just started coming through in the past 2 days and they're already talking about removing it early. You can be drat sure i'll be saving every penny of it for the rainy day I'm now expecting to come. Especially as, as someone else pointed out, my business relies on events of more than 100 people which it seems will no longer exist in "covidsafe" Australia. If I need to change my industry/business they would ideally let me know well before they pull out the safety net that they've given.
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May 8, 2020 06:09
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CelestialScribe posted:Are you happy to shut down schools, businesses, no social meetings, for 2/3/4 years? You mean increase our measures? Because those things are still happening to various degrees right now.
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May 8, 2020 06:10
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Whitlam posted:You mean increase our measures? Because those things are still happening to various degrees right now. No. I mean are people content to shut down schools and businesses for years while a vaccine is created?
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May 8, 2020 06:16
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CelestialScribe posted:Are you happy to shut down schools, businesses, no social meetings, for 2/3/4 years? I'm pretty sure Kirby has said they're immunocompromised. I'd twist your head off and drink your blood if it meant I lived.
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May 8, 2020 06:18
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CelestialScribe posted:Shutting everything down to wait for a vaccine is not a realistic option. I know it's not, that's why I said "waiting for a vaccine that might not come" - the point was that by opening things up, people will die that wouldn't if we took that unrealistic and immensely challenging route, but they're not outright saying that. We haven't eliminated it, so when we open things up it will spread, and I assume the plan is that we're ready to deal with the spread with as good medical care as we can, slowing the spread where we can etc- but we can't fully treat it, so people will die. It's a policy choice they've made. I'm not trying to express an opinion one way or another whether it's a good plan, I'm saying surely this is the unstated outcome of the current plan?
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May 8, 2020 06:19
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JBP posted:I'm pretty sure Kirby has said they're immunocompromised. I'd twist your head off and drink your blood if it meant I lived. This thread is so weird. NZ lifts restrictions: What a fabulous leader, all praise NZ's queen Aus introduces a roadmap: We're all gonna fuckin die
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May 8, 2020 06:19
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CelestialScribe posted:This thread is so weird. One person's said that as a joke. Someone else came in and said it's real for them. Lighten up, Francis.
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May 8, 2020 06:20
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Breakfast Burrito posted:I know it's not, that's why I said "waiting for a vaccine that might not come" - the point was that by opening things up, people will die that wouldn't if we took that unrealistic and immensely challenging route, but they're not outright saying that. We haven't eliminated it, so when we open things up it will spread, and I assume the plan is that we're ready to deal with the spread with as good medical care as we can, slowing the spread where we can etc- but we can't fully treat it, so people will die. It's a policy choice they've made. I don't think it's unstated. I think they've been clear in saying there will be outbreaks.
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May 8, 2020 06:20
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JBP posted:I'd twist your head off and drink your blood if it meant I lived. Keep going
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May 8, 2020 06:24
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bowmore posted:morrison changing the covid supplement from 6 months to “we’ll reassess in June” is a kick in the teeth to struggling people i guess in reality it's my own fault for not seeing this coming from them
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May 8, 2020 06:27
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Homora Gaykemi posted:i guess in reality it's my own fault for not seeing this coming from them Don't beat yourself up, lack of foresight and assuming they're doing things in the broader public interest is what gets us into this mess in the first place and we're all guilty of it to a degree.
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May 8, 2020 06:29
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It really is all in the delivery sometimes. The calm, patient tones of Ardern are a stark contrast to Morrison's angry, condescending and sometimes very confusing messaging, all while he insists the rules are simple and straightforward. He tries to affect an "everyday Aussie dad" demeanour, much like Rudd and Gillard did at points, when it's really not in their nature. It's like an uncanny valley of sincerity. It also helps that NZ does not have states to deal with--because each state is having a different experience at any given time, the PM coming in and saying something that seems way off base for what's going on in your state adds an element of confusion/uncertainty/frustration. NZ, while it's got the North Island/South Island, Metropolitan/Regional/Rural divides, doesn't have different parts of the country able to determine whether or not they'll go along with what the PM is saying.
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