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taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

So the mole children are safe right? That's why Trump stopped the taskforce I bet

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chairface
Oct 28, 2007

No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

Al-Jazeera's been the main media outlet willing to touch the issue of human trafficking at all: https://www.aljazeera.com/topics/subjects/human-trafficking.html

More people live in bondage today than at the height of the trans atlantic slave trade and while forced labor is certainly still a thing, the majority are trafficked for sex.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

gh0stpinballa posted:

https://twitter.com/DARPA/status/1258222049149038592?s=19

and now we can crack ping back into the psychosphere

it's also a bunch of idiotic numerology poo poo that serves as bait for people with untreated mental illness

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

taqueso posted:

So the mole children are safe right? That's why Trump stopped the taskforce I bet

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

LGD posted:

I think the general consensus among non-QAnon people was that "Tunnel Tots" was the best option

"stalag-mites" was a good jokey one tho imo

stalag-tykes was right there but of course they wouldn’t know the difference

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

one thing i just remembered is how it turned out in the weeks leading up to epsteins murder the virgin islands PD database was hacked multiple times and unknown number of files were deleted and/or altered, but now when you clink on this link to that story you get this

https://viconsortium.com/breaking-news/vipd-case-files-wiped-out-from-computers-following-intrusion-hackers-demanding-ransom-for-access/

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

gh0stpinballa posted:

one thing i just remembered is how it turned out in the weeks leading up to epsteins murder the virgin islands PD database was hacked multiple times and unknown number of files were deleted and/or altered, but now when you clink on this link to that story you get this

https://viconsortium.com/breaking-news/vipd-case-files-wiped-out-from-computers-following-intrusion-hackers-demanding-ransom-for-access/

was this the panama papers or something else

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Cool.

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

quote:

Were it not for hardcopies of important case files that V.I.P.D. Commissioner Nominee Trevor Velinor said the police department had saved for use as backup, an untold number of cases — involving everything from murder to rape — would have been lost, resulting in possibly a mass dismissal of court trials and creating a problem that would overwhelm the department.


That’s because the Virgin Islands Police Department computer system has been hacked on a number of occasions over the past months, according to V.I.P.D. Public Information Officer Glen Dratte. Mr. Velinor corroborated Mr. Dratte’s statement, telling The Consortium during a phone interview Thursday that he was briefed on the hackings when he arrived in the territory.

“We’ve had a ransomware attack,” Mr. Velinor said, adding that the ransomware attack “really impacted us” on June 11. Ransomware is a type of malware from cryptovirology (a field that studies how to use cryptography to design powerful malicious software) that threatens to publish a victim’s data or perpetually block access to it unless a ransom is paid.

According to a person with knowledge of the matter, the situation has been a nightmare for officers, many of whom cannot perform basic tasks on their computers. Mr. Velinor confirmed this to be true, telling The Consortium that many computers had to be wiped clean — losing all stored data — and “re-imaged” to allow officers to work.

Of grave concern is the security of important case files. With many cases pending and investigations ongoing, losing access to the database where files were stored poses a massive problem for the V.I.P.D., which could lead to lawsuits. But the commissioner nominee said most of the records, along being stored on computers, were secured the traditional way as well. “I believe that many of our records are also in hardcopies, which allows us to retrieve hardcopy documentation to be able to present those as evidence,” Mr. Velinor said.

The commissioner nominee said “many”, meaning there could possibly be files that have been lost. And still unclear is whether hardcopy file storage was affected by Hurricanes Irma and Maria, and how effective, historically, the department has stored its hardcopy files.

The extent of the damage is far-reaching. “I was made aware to the fact that many of our computers were compromised. I was made aware that we had instructed all our users to not go on the particular server, to not go online and so therefore there was a full approach to attempt to minimize the damage. But as I said, many of the computers were already affected by the time the system administrators were alerted to the presence of a potential ransomware.”

The V.I.P.D. has refused to pay the hackers the ransom demanded to unlock the system. “As you know, quite frequently when you pay the ransom it doesn’t guarantee the hackers are going to provide you with the encryption key to read the encryption, and so we have not paid a ransom,” said the commissioner nominee.

Mr. Velinor said some officers had access to their computer systems again, but when asked whether those officers were able to regain access to their files, he acknowledged that access was only provided after the computers were wiped clean. Some officers who had stored files on external hard drives managed to recoup at least some data.

Whether the lost files can be recouped was unclear, but Mr. Velinor said the police department would try to. “We are utilizing various sources to include the F.B.I. and others to assist with the file recovery and decoding the ransomware encryption,” he said.

Recourse

The V.I.P.D. has reached out to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other federal arms for help. It has also contacted the territory’s Bureau of Information Technology for assistance. Additionally, the police force is considering contracting an online security firm that would ascertain the safety of the V.I.P.D.’s online systems moving forward. “We will be navigating towards full service to include strengthening our system so that we are able to protect against future ransomware,” Mr. Velinor said. He said the force had not secured the online security firm as of Thursday.

The police force has also started using a different domain, according to Mr. Velinor, although the name wasn’t made clear. The current website is vipd.gov.vi, and the V.I.P.D. still appears to be updating it: as of July 29, a VIPD release relative to a Sunday night shooting at the Floatopia event in Frederiksted was published.

just in case anyone wants to read it and archive.org is as slow for you as it was for me.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

gh0stpinballa posted:

one thing i just remembered is how it turned out in the weeks leading up to epsteins murder the virgin islands PD database was hacked multiple times and unknown number of files were deleted and/or altered, but now when you clink on this link to that story you get this

https://viconsortium.com/breaking-news/vipd-case-files-wiped-out-from-computers-following-intrusion-hackers-demanding-ransom-for-access/

https://web.archive.org/web/2019080...som-for-access/

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

Giga Gaia posted:

just in case anyone wants to read it and archive.org is as slow for you as it was for me.

thank you

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Millerheighife/status/1258495565626658817?s=19

A Real Hologram
Jun 22, 2018

Moo!
Lawyer says Robert Mueller is the man who protected Epstein during plea deal

Epstein was listed as an asset by Mueller in internal reports

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

aw gently caress there goes my brain again

*crack*

*piiiing*

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
The FBI already partially admitted to this a few years ago when they released a heavily redacted memo vaguely asserting that Epstein gave them "information".

The Palm Beach Post posted:

FBI Epstein files say he gave info. Does it explain sweetheart deal?

By Jane Musgrave
Posted May 30, 2018 at 12:01 AM
Updated May 30, 2018 at 4:21 PM

Ten years after convicted Palm Beach sex offender Jeffrey Epstein escaped federal charges in connection with allegations that he paid dozens of teenage girls for sex, the FBI last week released what appears to be an explosive explanation for what many have long described as a sweetheart deal.

“Epstein has also provided information to the FBI as agreed upon,” agents wrote in one of dozens of heavily redacted, decade-old memos that were unexpectedly and inexplicably posted on an FBI website known as “The Vault.”

The simple declaration stunned those who have been following the tortuous and celebrity-studded case for years. It rekindled talk that the billionaire’s 2008 decision to plead guilty to state charges to make the federal investigation disappear was part of a cover up to protect Epstein’s high-powered friends, including President Donald Trump, former President Bill Clinton and Britain’s Prince Andrew.

“That sentence obviously means something but I, too, am at a loss as to what it really means,” said attorney Brad Edwards, who for a decade has been trying to unravel the mystery of Epstein’s plea deal. “If there was some cooperation I would have expected that we would have been told. However, nothing surprises me at this point.”

>>JUST IN: Former Palm Beach detective who led Epstein investigation dies at 50

In recent years, federal prosecutors have offered various explanations for why they agreed to drop the case they were building against the 65-year-old enigmatic money manager if he pleaded guilty to state prostitution charges. In court papers, they have said they wanted to get justice for Epstein’s young victims but worried a jury wouldn’t believe them.

So, they have said, they negotiated a deal, allowing Epstein to plead guilty in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to one count of soliciting a minor for prostitution and another charge of soliciting prostitution. In exchange, federal prosecutors agreed to close their investigation. They have said they had no idea Epstein would only serve 13 months of an 18-month sentence in a vacant wing of the county stockade — a cell he was allowed to leave 16 hours a day, six days a week.

While voicing dismay at his lax punishment, prosecutors have pointed out that the plea deal required Epstein to pay the roughly 30 young women who filed civil lawsuits against him. Further, they said his guilty pleas force him to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life, potentially protecting other girls from abuse in the future.

However, over the years, they have never suggested that Epstein provided them any information in return.

Like Edwards, two people close to the long-closed federal investigation said they were flummoxed by the sentence in the FBI’s memo that was written in September 2008, roughly two months after Epstein pleaded guilty in state court.

“I have never, ever heard of Jeffrey Epstein cooperating in any sense of the word,” said one official, who requested anonymity because of the top role the person played in the investigation. “I am stumped. It’s totally out of left field.”

Another individual with ties to the case voiced similar views. Epstein may have been required to talk to FBI agents but it’s unlikely he offered anything that would incriminate others, said the person, who declined to be identified because of ongoing efforts to help Epstein’s victims challenge the plea deal. “I don’t think he ever told the truth,” the person said.

A lawsuit Edwards filed against the federal government, claiming prosecutors violated the Victims Rights Act by not notifying Epstein’s victims of the pending plea deal, is still pending in U.S. District Court. Also, awaiting trial in Palm Beach County Circuit Court is a malicious prosecution lawsuit Edwards filed against Epstein. Edwards claims the billionaire filed a frivolous lawsuit to punish Edwards for representing a handful of Epstein’s young victims.

West Palm Beach attorney Jack Goldberger, who was on Epstein’s potent defense team, said he was “unable to respond” to questions about the FBI’s memo. Other prominent lawyers who represented Epstein, including New York lawyer Jay Lefkowitz and retired Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The one line was part of a brief missive dated Sept. 18, 2008, closing the case: “On 9/11/08, case agent advised writer that Epstein is currently being prosecuted by the State of Florida and is complying with all conditions of his plea with the State of Florida. Epstein has also provided information to the FBI as agreed upon. Case agent advised that no federal prosecution will occur in this matter as long as Epstein continues to uphold his agreement with the State of Florida. ... Case agent is requested to contact writer in the event this matter moves forward on a federal level.”

The memo was one of hundreds of documents, including dozens of copies of newspaper articles about Epstein, that were posted on the FBI’s website. The website, https://www.vault.fbi.gov serves as the FBI’s electronic FOIA library. The heavily redacted documents showed agents traveled to New York City, Sante Fe, N.M., and St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands, where Epstein has homes. But there is little information about who they interviewed or what they learned.

The only witness named in the documents is Alfredo Rodriguez, who was a houseman at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion in 2004. That’s when Epstein regularly paid young women to give him sexually-charged massages, police said.

Rodriguez was convicted of obstruction of justice in 2010 and sentenced to 18 months in jail for trying to sell a journal he purloined from Epstein. Prosecutors said the journal detailed Epstein’s sexual dalliances. Rodriguez, who lived in Kendall, died in 2014.

Those familiar with FBI procedures said the records are administrative files, not investigative ones. Some questioned why the files were posted on the FBI’s web site. The FBI didn’t return a phone call for comment. According to the web site, the records were released “in compliance with the National Archives and Records Administration requirements.”

And while it’s been 10 years since Epstein pleaded guilty to prostitution charges and settled dozens of lawsuits with young women, litigation continues.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

A Real Hologram posted:

Lawyer says Robert Mueller is the man who protected Epstein during plea deal

Epstein was listed as an asset by Mueller in internal reports

I'm gonna need to see the documents on this one. I don't trust either of those people.

I say this as someone who despises Mueller.

Giga Gaia
May 2, 2006

360 kickflip to... Meteo?!

Helsing posted:

The FBI already partially admitted to this a few years ago when they released a heavily redacted memo vaguely asserting that Epstein gave them "information".

every single post-death epstein thing i read makes me do the jim carrey 'oh come on' bit irl

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

lol remember how felix sater is basically russian mafia but also helped the US gather up stinger missiles in afghanistan so he just lives in new york now.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Mueller's name comes up in the Finders case. He's a critical piece of the puzzle.

https://twitter.com/PWnorthwest/status/1187934318427037696

(Barr is also implicated in his handling of this particular case)

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Mueller's name comes up in the Finders case. He's a critical piece of the puzzle.

https://twitter.com/PWnorthwest/status/1187934318427037696

(Barr is also implicated in his handling of this particular case)

So I'll be honest I'll never read all of this, what's a good breakdown

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Washington Post, February 7, 1987:

quote:

Authorities investigating the alleged abuse of six children found with two men in a Tallahassee, Fla., park discovered materials yesterday in the Washington area that they say points to a 1960s-style commune called the Finders, described in a court document as a "cult" that allegedly conducted "brainwashing" and used children "in rituals."

D.C. police, who searched a Northeast Washington warehouse linked to the group, removed large plastic bags filled with color slides, photographs and photographic contact sheets. Some photos visible through a bag carried from the warehouse at 1307 Fourth St. NE were wallet-sized pictures of children, similar to school photos, and some were of naked children.

D.C. police sources said some of the items seized yesterday showed pictures of children engaged in what appeared to be "cult rituals." Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.

According to court documents, computers and software were seized from the warehouse, from a Glover Park apartment building and from a van that was recovered in Tallahassee along with the children.

Yesterday's disclosures about the mysterious group grew out of an investigation that was set in motion Wednesday by an anonymous call to Tallahassee police about two "well-dressed men" who were "supervising" six disheveled children in a neighborhood park. The men were arrested and charged with child abuse, according to Tallahassee police.

Their links to the D.C. area have led authorities into a far-reaching investigation that includes the Finders -- a group of about 40 people that court documents allege is led by a man named Marion Pettie -- and their various homes, including the duplex apartment building in Glover Park, the Northeast Washington warehouse and a 90-acre farm in rural Madison County, Va.

Tallahassee police, who arrested and charged men identified as Douglas E. Ammerman and Michael Houlihan with child abuse, contacted D.C. police Thursday in an attempt to establish the identities of the children. They learned that D.C. police had heard of the Finders group, according to Tallahassee police spokesman Scott Hunt.

No other member of the group had been located last night, police sources said.

According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents.

According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety.

On Dec. 15, a D.C. police detective observed a clearing in the rear of the 3900 block of W Street NW where "several round stones had been gathered" near a circle, as well as evidence that people had gathered there, according to the document, which stated that "this practice is sometimes used in satanic rituals." Armed with that information and the report from Tallahassee police of the allegedly abused children, D.C. police sought search warrants for the Glover Park residence and the warehouse.

Meanwhile, authorities in Florida attempted to learn more about the six small children -- described by a police spokesman as "hungry and . . . pretty pathetic" -- who had set the investigation in motion.

The children, identified in a court document only by the first names of Honeybee, John, Franklin, BeeBee, Max and Mary, were described as "dirty, unkempt, hungry, disturbed and agitated." They had been living in the rear of the van for some time, the document said.

Yesterday, police spokesman Hunt said one of the children, a 6-year-old girl, "showed signs of sexual abuse," but that an examination by a local doctor showed none of the children as being ill.

Five of the children were uncommunicative, according to police, and none seemed to recognize objects such as typewriters and staplers.

However, the oldest was able to give investigators some information. She said that the two men "were their teachers," according to Hunt. She was not sure where they had been recently or where they were going. But until recently, they had been living in the District in "a house with other children and adults." They lived mainly on a diet of raw fruit and vegetables, she said.

The girl told the police that while they were in the District, the children received instruction from "a man they called a Game Caller or a Game Leader," according to Hunt.


According to the D.C. court document, a Tallahassee police investigator identified this man as Marion Pettie, who the confidential police source "also identified as the Stroller, leader of this 'cult.' "

The children have been placed in emergency shelters in Tallahassee, according to Merrill Moody of the Florida Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. He said officials were trying to identify them.

Neighbors of the W Street house last night identified the photographs of two of the children as residents of the house.

Before their arrests in the park, Ammerman and Houlihan had told police that they were teachers from Washington "transporting these children to Mexico and a school for brilliant children," according to Hunt. When police asked the men where the children's mothers were, "they said they were being weaned from their mothers."

Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnaping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."

George Wisnowsky, spokesman for the FBI in Jacksonville, said the FBI was "checking the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnaping."

Authorities in Florida, who searched the van, found 20 floppy computer discs and a device Hunt said could be used to hook into a computer in another location by telephone. He said D.C. police have obtained evidence that a computer linked to the group received a call from Tallahassee late this week.


Meanwhile, authorities in Washington were busy searching the warehouse and the Glover Park residence, side-by-side brick apartment buildings that, according to neighbors, stood out in the neighborhood because of a hot tub and satellite dish on the roof. Only women and children lived there, though men visited regularly, according to neighbors.

One woman from the neighborhood said the children from the house were "easy to spot because they were so dirty," adding that adults with them "seemed not to care." She said the group from the house reminded her of "leftover hippies."

But another neighbor, college professor John Matthews, who said he had lived at 3918 W St. for a short time while looking for an apartment, said the residents were "a close-knit group" of feminists who liked to help people and were not a cult. "The neighborhood talks about them because of their life style," Matthews said.

The Fourth Street warehouse, which authorities said also was used as a residence, had windows that were boarded shut. One wall was covered with a huge map of the world, lit by floodlights. Upstairs, mattresses were flung on the floors of various rooms.

a few DRUNK BONERS
Mar 25, 2016

Helsing posted:

The FBI already partially admitted to this a few years ago when they released a heavily redacted memo vaguely asserting that Epstein gave them "information".

Interesting that this was happening right before Obama's election

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Washington Post, February 7, 1987:


quote:

Yesterday, U.S. Attorney Joseph E. diGenova said that authorities were investigating "the crime of kidnaping" but that the investigation "is not limited to that as the evidence evolves."

this guy sure gets around
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_diGenova

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Washington Post, February 7, 1987:

I hate this thread

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Lol the Satanist daycare thing was real

nut
Jul 30, 2019

didn't the two guys get like misdemeanours and the children were returned to them or something equally horrible?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

What evidence is there in favor of the Franklin case? I thought it was just more silly satanic panic stuff. I’ve seen the old Discovery Channel documentary.

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

What evidence is there in favor of the Franklin case? I thought it was just more silly satanic panic stuff. I’ve seen the old Discovery Channel documentary.

I mentioned before that I’m reading the nick Bryant book and, from that reading, the satanic stuff is overblown from a relatively small part whereas the rest is pretty blatantly covered up by state and federal law. the main evidence from Franklin is hours of videotaped testimony from diff victims that corroborates places and perpetrators, particularly Larry king as a central facilitator. then the fbi interviews specific victims for days and they suddenly recant everything, now providing inconsistent stories that contradict themselves within single sessions

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I’ll check it out. Thanks.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

nut posted:

I mentioned before that I’m reading the nick Bryant book and, from that reading, the satanic stuff is overblown from a relatively small part whereas the rest is pretty blatantly covered up by state and federal law. the main evidence from Franklin is hours of videotaped testimony from diff victims that corroborates places and perpetrators, particularly Larry king as a central facilitator. then the fbi interviews specific victims for days and they suddenly recant everything, now providing inconsistent stories that contradict themselves within single sessions

they did use drugs and costumes in some cases precisely because nobody would believe the victims tho

also the finders are still around. iirc another thing the fbi found was thousands of CP films they had manufactured and returned them all to the cult without a moments hesitation.

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

in the same way you build a temple to rape kids in on your private island and paint bizarre looney tunes false fronts all over outbuildings because it is so ludicrous

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I think Epstein was a genuine psycho who got off on that stuff. He was always putting conspicuous copies of books by the Marquis de Sade out before any kind of media exposure, even back before he was being accused of being a sadistic child rapist. I’m sure he was into the idea of having a temple dedicated to himself.

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS

LGD posted:

"stalag-mites" was a good jokey one tho imo

Stalagtykes :3:

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

The finders foia docs are a trip. They were ultra high tech for the time

Ograbme
Jul 26, 2003

D--n it, how he nicks 'em
Wasn't there a teacher in Colorado(?) last year who got caught with a dozen or two kids behind a secret door in their house?

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

it was one hell of an ice cream paint job, op

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1258806885383237635

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?


It's not an easy listen, but it's worth a listen.

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Inspector Hound posted:

So I'll be honest I'll never read all of this, what's a good breakdown

obligatory every tine this comes up post

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/13010819/finders-keeper

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Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
hey guy with no time to read, check out the longest article ever

I’m skimming that one again and it’s completely toothless as far as calling the finders out for child sex trafficking, which is the purpose of their existence, and instead frames them as harmless eccentrics following people home and keeping tabs on an entire community

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