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Lol this thread made me think about watching Caretaker which I haven't seen since it aired. I remember writing down all the cool specs for Voyager. I did not remember Quark doing a great number on ol' Harry Kim at the watering hole. I have an episode list of good ones from the old Star Trek thread so I'll have to at least work through those. And Threshold, of course. edit: new page 
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Martytoof posted:I’m like two episodes in and the one thing I can’t get over is just how indifferent all the Maquis seem to be to Tuvok who, just a few days ago, was revealed to be infiltrating their thing. I mean, that or I’m just so used to recent prestige tv nu-trek where they’d spend a whole season arc just exploring that and forgetting there’s aliens and cool poo poo in space pew pew! That's the evidence I point to when I say the show basically abandoned half of it's premise before the pilot was over. There are like a total of 3 episodes where part of the crew being Maquis is even sort of related to the plot of the episode, and the third one is 4-5 seasons in.
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May 8, 2020 00:02
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xerxus posted:Don't be so racist. Just because the Super Synths have menacing tentacles doesn't mean they're actually genocidal. #NOTALLSYNTHS
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May 8, 2020 00:21
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Martytoof posted:I’m like two episodes in and the one thing I can’t get over is just how indifferent all the Maquis seem to be to Tuvok who, just a few days ago, was revealed to be infiltrating their thing. I mean, that or I’m just so used to recent prestige tv nu-trek where they’d spend a whole season arc just exploring that and forgetting there’s aliens and cool poo poo in space pew pew! There's another timeline out there where Discovery was made in the mid 90's with TOS movie style aesthetics, and Voyager is a new post-TNG series that spends most of its time exploring the drama between the crew.
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May 8, 2020 02:48
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I don’t know about Voyaer. It’s not BAD, but so far in S1 it’s downright bland. The first few episodes had my finger hovering over the FF button 90% of the time *cough* Vulcan murder mystery *cough* I just outright skipped a few based on the Netflix summary blurb too. DS9 S1 was bland too, but I was far more attached to the characters and setting. I won’t lie, I dig the fact that it’s set on a ship again, and I’m really enjoying monster of the week, but .. this isn’t great writing. Onto S2 soon, at least. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 8, 2020 |
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May 8, 2020 22:18
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Martytoof posted:I don’t know about Voyaer. It’s not BAD, but so far in S1 it’s downright bland. The first few episodes had my finger hovering over the FF button 90% of the time *cough* Vulcan murder mystery *cough* Voyager's greatest failing is that it is so bland and forgettable. It's not even memorably bad.
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May 9, 2020 05:25
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Senor Tron posted:There's another timeline out there where Discovery was made in the mid 90's with TOS movie style aesthetics, and Voyager is a new post-TNG series that spends most of its time exploring the drama between the crew. It's fine it's called Battlestar Galactica and it did all this.
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May 9, 2020 08:19
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Bland *is* bad though, its being a nothing program that's just a waste of time to watch. S1 of Disco is at least entertainingly stupid with its constant plot twists and insane raising of stakes, most of Voyager is just a pointless, time filler show.
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May 9, 2020 10:33
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Bland white noise vs. aggressively violent and stupid, the Trekkie's dilemma for 20 years.
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May 9, 2020 19:59
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Bland white noise vs. aggressively violent and stupid, the Trekkie's dilemma for 20 years. Honestly, its why TNG is such a masterpiece of a show. Action but also the quiet parts were brisk and in depth. I think Picard was scared to lean into quieter moments and steer into optimism in its first season but there are elements of something good there. Like it gave a solid start and just flopped on the ending,
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May 9, 2020 20:13
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I really enjoyed how they set up these two interesting former romulan secret agents and then when Picard went on a dangerous mission with no official support involving romulan assassins belonging to an even more secret organization of romulan secret agents he just left them at home to tend the vineyard and they were never brought up again Like maybe he should have left the drunk depressed lady to handle the grapes instead of demanding she destroy her life and relationships even further for him
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May 9, 2020 20:45
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Tighclops posted:I really enjoyed how they set up these two interesting former romulan secret agents and then when Picard went on a dangerous mission with no official support involving romulan assassins belonging to an even more secret organization of romulan secret agents he just left them at home to tend the vineyard and they were never brought up again Left them at home in order to recruit a romulan secret assassin. That he'd abandoned as a child and never thought to visit again. The thing about Picard is that I think buried under the layers of pointless characters and plot points that go absolutely nowhere there's a genuinely good show, it's just that the script needed several more passes before they started filming.
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May 9, 2020 20:53
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A skilled artist could carve masterpiece out of a pile of moderately stale cowshit, that doesn't mean you're not still looking at cowshit
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May 9, 2020 20:55
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Remember when Picard deliberately started a race scene and created a situation which got several people killed just to get his secret assassin's attention, which neither he nor the show on reflected on at all at any point afterwards? Good times.
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May 9, 2020 20:57
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multijoe posted:Remember when Picard deliberately started a race scene and created a situation which got several people killed just to get his secret assassin's attention, which neither he nor the show on reflected on at all at any point afterwards? Good times. If you ignore the very next scene where he chews out Elnor for killing those guys, sure. There's plenty of stuff to critique without flat out making stuff up.
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May 9, 2020 21:08
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:If you ignore the very next scene where he chews out Elnor for killing those guys, sure. He incites the dude to kill for him and then chews him out for it, real thought provoking stuff
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May 9, 2020 21:23
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I can be very forgiving of a new show's flaws, and I pretty much enjoyed Picard enough to not regret watching (though I'll likely not re-watch it), but yeah... that whole scene just pissed me off with its nonsensicality. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of a scene I hated more, atm.
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May 9, 2020 22:20
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Hipster_Doofus posted:I can be very forgiving of a new show's flaws, and I pretty much enjoyed Picard enough to not regret watching (though I'll likely not re-watch it), but yeah... that whole scene just pissed me off with its nonsensicality. In fact I'm hard pressed to think of a scene I hated more, atm. The eyeball scene? Murdering Hugh for literally no reason?
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May 9, 2020 22:26
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I rather enjoyed the Irish Romulan. She seemed moderately fleshed out, likable, and had a connection to Picard that was natural and unforced in the context of the story and didnt rely on bolting on a whole new sub-faction of Romulans in a meandering tell-not-show, father-son backstory that wasted two god-drat episodes. Instead we got Elnor, who loving sucked. Man had no problem chopping fools in half at a moments notice but when some ex-borg he met five minutes ago takes a batarang to the throat he's consumed with grief for the loving guy and wont stop going on about him. Similarly, the bad-guy woman Romulan who spends the season being this 2D cartoon of a villain but suddenly and fleetingly develops the shade of a third dimension to her character for one scene where we watch her mourning for her brain-mushed friend and I guess are supposed to applaud the writers for their subtle character development? Picard is like loving 'unearned scenes, the TV show' Peachfart posted:The eyeball scene? Murdering Hugh for literally no reason? Hugh's murder was absolutely in character and made sense in terms of Romulan baddy being extra evil and mwahahaha and all that, it was the histrionics from Elnor and 7 (but not Picard, the one guy who had a connection to him) that was stupid. Edit: Also while I'm thinking about it, their ship made the classic 'red alert' noise, which was cool, but just did it without anyone saying 'red alert' which negated the coolness for me. Simiain fucked around with this message at 23:10 on May 9, 2020 |
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May 9, 2020 23:04
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In addition to getting Elnor involved in the plot, the Picard bar scene was about an arrogant old hero making a self-righteous scene only to be confronted with the reality that he helped create the conditions he detests. It was a tight sequence that told a lot of story and a lot about the character in a short amount of time. I thought it was one of the better sequences in the show. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 10, 2020 |
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May 10, 2020 00:57
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I’d like more Elnor, I think there’s plenty of mileage in ‘innocent little boy in man’s body who’s also a deadly assassin’ as a character.
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May 10, 2020 01:49
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Drink-Mix Man posted:In addition to getting Elnor involved in the plot, the Picard bar scene was about an arrogant old hero making a self-righteous scene only to be confronted with the reality that he helped create the conditions he detests. wait is that the scene where the romulan guy isn't even consistent about why he's mad across like 3 lines
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May 10, 2020 03:16
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Simiain posted:I rather enjoyed the Irish Romulan. She seemed moderately fleshed out, likable, and had a connection to Picard that was natural and unforced in the context of the story and didnt rely on bolting on a whole new sub-faction of Romulans in a meandering tell-not-show, father-son backstory that wasted two god-drat episodes. The Romulan housekeepers were probably the most interesting of the new characters, tbh
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May 10, 2020 03:22
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The Romulan housekeepers seemed like the kind of characters that, having been offscreen for a while, would come riding in out of nowhere to save the day at the end of the season, but we didn’t even get that.
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May 10, 2020 03:33
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One of the series’ biggest crimes is setting us up for Picard having a dog (down to really promoting him in the series lead up), and then outside of the first episode he’s not seen again!
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May 10, 2020 04:33
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Zaroff posted:One of the series’ biggest crimes is setting us up for Picard having a dog (down to really promoting him in the series lead up), and then outside of the first episode he’s not seen again! I know! That dog could have totally bitten a Romulan's rear end!
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May 10, 2020 05:17
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Tighclops posted:wait is that the scene where the romulan guy isn't even consistent about why he's mad across like 3 lines  I don't know, man. Please, illuminate us.
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May 10, 2020 05:37
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Uncle Lloyd posted:The Romulan housekeepers seemed like the kind of characters that, having been offscreen for a while, would come riding in out of nowhere to save the day at the end of the season, but we didn’t even get that. Hell, I was half expecting something like that with Dahj showing up out of nowhere. It took me forever to figure out these androids are supposed to be mostly organic or something like the humanoid cylons from BSG. Seems like a step-back from Data though. I also figured that we'd see Riker show up out of nowhere and that one happened.
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May 10, 2020 06:48
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The Irish Romulans exist to make the story terrible by revealing the whole mystery to Picard before he's even left Earth. The show doesn't just have loose characters and plot threads all over the place, the first two espidoes are written as if it's a whodunnit mystery show, then it turns out to be a heist show without any sense of time pressure.
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May 10, 2020 10:05
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The_Doctor posted:I’d like more Elnor, I think there’s plenty of mileage in ‘innocent little boy in man’s body who’s also a deadly assassin’ as a character. I hope he gets phasered from forty yards away in season 2 and dies, because having only an edged weapon in a sci-fi show is dumb as hell and being a serial truth-teller is a poor substitute for using The Force to tell when far away poo poo is going to kill you.
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May 11, 2020 13:50
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This show was only 10 episodes, he’s not even in the first three, and yet they basically run out of stuff for him to do after episode 7 or so
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May 11, 2020 14:00
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FlamingLiberal posted:This show was only 10 episodes, he’s not even in the first three, and yet they basically run out of stuff for him to do after episode 7 or so Yeah, they pretty much turned Seven into an action hero but at least they can fall back her doing science poo poo whenever they don’t need to have a bunch of people killed. She can be Reverse Jadzia, no idea what this guy can be.
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Everything with Seven is so weird. She is just radically different from when we last saw the character, and while I get that some bad things have happened to her, she feels like a completely different character. I also feel like she didn’t need to be in the show that much considering what she ends up doing. I would have liked to have had more time between her and Picard considering their shared past and all of that.
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May 11, 2020 14:09
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Just make the focus of season 2 of Picard about the Irish Romulans working on the vineyard while secretly thwarting attempts on Picard's life without him noticing.
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May 11, 2020 14:16
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I kept waiting for there to be some important connection between the androids and the Borg that would make her character’s inclusion vitally important. Then it started becoming obvious that she was just around to include a popular previous gen character and her usefulness stopped at operating a Borg teleporter. Her new personality is probably the brainchild of whatever twelve year old thought Elnor would be a good idea.
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May 11, 2020 14:24
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CubanMissile posted:I kept waiting for there to be some important connection between the androids and the Borg that would make her character’s inclusion vitally important. Then it started becoming obvious that she was just around to include a popular previous gen character and her usefulness stopped at operating a Borg teleporter. Her new personality is probably the brainchild of whatever twelve year old thought Elnor would be a good idea.
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May 11, 2020 14:40
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Just make the focus of season 2 of Picard about the Irish Romulans working on the vineyard while secretly thwarting attempts on Picard's life without him noticing. Patrick Stewart as a blissfully unaware Picard just having a good time on his vineyard while his two Romulan friends keep saving him from threats and dangers he never even learns about is a show I would watch with glee.
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May 11, 2020 14:58
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Tiggum posted:Patrick Stewart as a blissfully unaware Picard just having a good time on his vineyard while his two Romulan friends keep saving him from threats and dangers he never even learns about is a show I would watch with glee. "Nonsense, it's a beautiful day. Come, number one, let's take a stroll." *intense firefight just behind Picard as the Romulans take out a drop-ship of assassin drones* "Hm, a bit hot, actually, perhaps a water..." *one Romulan stops garroting a spy for long enough to hand him a brimming ice water*
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If they're the Penny and Brain to Picard's Inspector Gadget then I'm all for Picard trying to solve mysteries around the universe in S2.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Everything with Seven is so weird. She is just radically different from when we last saw the character, and while I get that some bad things have happened to her, she feels like a completely different character. Same but also Picard.
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