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greazeball posted:Is the league finished or not? Obviously, if the games are to be played then that will decide things but that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing what to do based on no more matches being played. The “competition” is 38 games. You can’t win the competition until it was mathematically certain nobody else could win it. If the league was shutdown after they had accrued enough points to make them champions, then they would be champions. As it stands now the league has not completed enough games.
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greazeball posted:Is the league finished or not? Obviously, if the games are to be played then that will decide things but that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing what to do based on no more matches being played. Oh my God dude give it a rest.
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May 8, 2020 19:14
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:The “competition” is 38 games. You can’t win the competition until it was mathematically certain nobody else could win it. If the league was shutdown after they had accrued enough points to make them champions, then they would be champions. As it stands now the league has not completed enough games. So it doesn't count and there's no relegation or promotion because iT wAsN't 38 GaMeS? If it's cancelled, then nobody else can win it. If you can decide some things, you can decide all the things, even if you really don't want to.
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May 8, 2020 19:15
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greazeball posted:Ok I'll go slow for you now cos it seems like you're having trouble, let's say the league is like the tour but with 38 stages instead of 21. You can still declare a winner if not every stage is fully completed. Nobody had to go ride that last bit to make it official, the tour ended and they awarded the jersey to the guy who did the best. This is also a very bad post because the tour is held at a neutral venue while the PL has home and away games. City have played less home games than Liverpool. Is it fair to them and the other clubs who have played more away games to end the season at an arbitrary date?
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May 8, 2020 19:16
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:This is also a very bad post because the tour is held at a neutral venue while the PL has home and away games. City have played less home games than Liverpool. Is it fair to them and the other clubs who have played more away games to end the season at an arbitrary date? I don't think it was a neutral venue for Alaphilippe
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May 8, 2020 19:17
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greazeball posted:So it doesn't count and there's no relegation or promotion because iT wAsN't 38 GaMeS? If it's cancelled, then nobody else can win it. If you can decide some things, you can decide all the things, even if you really don't want to. Correct. Unless it is mathematically certain, you cannot use current positions as the end point.
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May 8, 2020 19:17
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greazeball posted:So it doesn't count and there's no relegation or promotion because iT wAsN't 38 GaMeS? If it's cancelled, then nobody else can win it. If you can decide some things, you can decide all the things, even if you really don't want to. This is exactly what happened in the Dutch league, OP. Season cancelled, no title awarded, and no promotion or relegation. Hope this doesn't literally blow your mind.
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May 8, 2020 19:18
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your friend wicka posted:I don't think it was a neutral venue for Alaphilippe There’s plenty of fans from all over at the stages. It’s not like playing away where you’re like 5% of the crowd.
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May 8, 2020 19:18
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:There’s plenty of fans from all over at the stages. It’s not like playing away where you’re like 5% of the crowd. That's what they want you to think but they're actually all French. Sometimes they wave different flags but they're just pretending.
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May 8, 2020 19:20
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oliwan posted:This is exactly what happened in the Dutch league, OP. Season cancelled, no title awarded, and no promotion or relegation. Hope this doesn't literally blow your mind. The right decision ™️
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May 8, 2020 19:21
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who gets the europa league spot
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May 8, 2020 19:46
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Weedle posted:who gets the europa league spot I doubt anyone would want it honestly
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May 8, 2020 19:49
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Europa does start making good money in the latter stages
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May 8, 2020 19:55
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greazeball posted:Is the league finished or not? Obviously, if the games are to be played then that will decide things but that's not what we're discussing here. We're discussing what to do based on no more matches being played. I'm going to make this post when Arsenal wins 8-0 the first week of next season and then covid flares up again and the league has to stop
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May 8, 2020 20:16
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Weedle posted:who gets the europa league spot that what i was saying before, i'd just dump it in uefa's lap, let them figure out some metric for qualification and they can apply it to all the feeder leagues since they're all doing their own thing
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May 8, 2020 20:18
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CyberPingu posted:What would happen in F1 if a driver was leading but not mathematically wrapped up the title and the final 2 races had to be cancelled or abandoned? Sebastian Vettel would have a meltdown
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May 8, 2020 21:11
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Total Meatlove posted:Europa does start making good money in the latter stages I don't think it does, isn't winning the whole thing something like playing in the CL prelims? It's not nothing but for bigger teams it's practically worthless.
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May 8, 2020 21:13
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Gigi Galli posted:I don't think it does, isn't winning the whole thing something like playing in the CL prelims? It's not nothing but for bigger teams it's practically worthless. is sheffield united a "bigger" team?
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May 8, 2020 21:14
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Gigi Galli posted:I don't think it does, isn't winning the whole thing something like playing in the CL prelims? It's not nothing but for bigger teams it's practically worthless. Well winning the whole thing is kind of a special case because it gets you CL money the following season. But other than that it's not CL money but it's decent, especially for smaller clubs: quote:For the 2019–20 season, group stage participation in the Europa League awarded a base fee of €2,920,000. A victory in the group pays €570,000 and a draw €190,000. Also, each group winner earns €1,000,000 and each runner-up €500,000. Reaching the knock-out stage triggers additional bonuses: €500,000 for the round of 32, €1,100,000 for the round of 16, €1,500,000 for the quarter-finals and €2,400,000 for the semi-finals. The losing finalists receive €4,500,000 and the champions receive €8,500,000.[23]
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May 8, 2020 21:16
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vyelkin posted:Well winning the whole thing is kind of a special case because it gets you CL money the following season. But other than that it's not CL money but it's decent, especially for smaller clubs: For comparison sake: quote:Prize money
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May 8, 2020 21:34
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Weedle posted:is sheffield united a "bigger" team? I don't know, are they?
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May 8, 2020 21:52
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Is the prospect of your team playing in the Europa league is something to be scoffed at or 'you'd rather not want', then you are spoiled by supporting a team that likely makes it to the champions league year after year. For clubs like Sheffield United and Wolves, its a massive deal, which is why it should be respected more as a competition. Also the chance to win a european trophy is always a huge opportunity and a huge success regardless of club. If arsenal or spurs had won the europa league, their fans would be dancing in the streets for months.
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May 8, 2020 22:55
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greazeball posted:So it doesn't count and there's no relegation or promotion because iT wAsN't 38 GaMeS? If it's cancelled, then nobody else can win it. If you can decide some things, you can decide all the things, even if you really don't want to. This post is really weird because it attempts to be incredulous at the obviously correct decision.
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May 8, 2020 23:00
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The EL is good I just wish they gave out more money and didn’t let the CL failures in to the competition midway! I was just trying to point out that the money is not as good as it should be.
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May 8, 2020 23:11
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has anyone considered giving liverpool a smaller trophy
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May 8, 2020 23:13
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Everyone knows Liverpool were going to win the league and deserve to be called champions, however when counting things like 'number of titles' it should only count for 0.76 of a title.
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May 9, 2020 00:42
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the season we finished 5th and got into the el was great, ruined only by fat mike ashley thinking that we didn't need to buy anyone to help with the extra fixtures
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May 9, 2020 00:43
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Eau de MacGowan posted:has anyone considered giving liverpool a smaller trophy Like, say 7/8 size? Somehow that's poetically just.
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May 9, 2020 02:19
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kcer posted:the season we finished 5th and got into the el was great, ruined only by fat mike ashley thinking that we didn't need to buy anyone to help with the extra fixtures It was ruined by the fact that some Greek shitclogger wrecked Ryan Taylor and ruined his career
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May 9, 2020 03:06
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Gigi Galli posted:Sebastian Vettel would have a meltdown How would this be different from every other season and scenario though, lol
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May 9, 2020 03:51
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sticksy posted:How would this be different from every other season and scenario though, lol The joke getter has arrived
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May 9, 2020 04:23
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Eau de MacGowan posted:has anyone considered giving liverpool a smaller trophy The FA should award Liverpool the trophy, but they should do it by sending it in a cardboard box via FedEx. The box also contains a turd. Actually, scrap that and send it via Hermes. That way it might get lost or end up at an auction.
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May 9, 2020 08:31
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There’s a K League match starting in 10 minutes and hell, I’m going to watch it and see how bad it is
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May 9, 2020 10:51
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Shrapnig posted:There’s a K League match starting in 10 minutes and hell, I’m going to watch it and see how bad it is Why are you up so early
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May 9, 2020 12:03
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It's not just about Liverpool ffs. If you award the title then logically you should determine the rest of the positions as well and those are a lot less clear-cut. Taking the table as it is would be pretty harsh on Sheffield United and Aston Villa, who have games in hand that could put them into Europe or save them from relegation respectively. Any sort of PPG system is also fairly arbitrary and punishes teams that have already played harder matches. There's also the question of setting a precedent if a future season has to be abandoned. At the end of the day if there's no fair way to determine the rest of the league, it doesn't make sense to award the title as well. Maybe Liverpool could get an honorary trophy but that seems in pretty poor taste. We're cancelling the league due to a disease that killed thousands, time for an open top bus parade.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:It's not just about Liverpool ffs. If you award the title then logically you should determine the rest of the positions as well and those are a lot less clear-cut. Taking the table as it is would be pretty harsh on Sheffield United and Aston Villa, who have games in hand that could put them into Europe or save them from relegation respectively. Any sort of PPG system is also fairly arbitrary and punishes teams that have already played harder matches. There's also the question of setting a precedent if a future season has to be abandoned. I think you will find that Ligue 1 just resolved the title and nothing else. Not saying that's a good way of doing it. But they did
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May 9, 2020 13:42
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CyberPingu posted:I think you will find that Ligue 1 just resolved the title and nothing else. You don't need to be a winner to get a trophy but they got a trophy
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May 9, 2020 14:18
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Why are you up so early Falling asleep at 8:30 last night will do that.
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May 9, 2020 14:24
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Shrapnig posted:Falling asleep at 8:30 last night will do that. So how was it?
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trem_two posted:So how was it? Marginal at best. It was live football so there's that at least.
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