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Khorne
May 1, 2002

Fojar38 posted:

surprised Nature had the balls to publish that
Nature is held in very high regard. I'm glad they published it.

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Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Mistle posted:

Is that just Shanghai, or are other regions/cities following that order? I remember there was a very obvious march of infection going toward the ultrametropolis areas for a while, but then all the news stopped and only the random unverified mobile videos of "building door welding", "barriers hiding people" and "death wards" managed to get around the Great Wall without going past Uncle Xi.

Pretty sure it was a screeching halt and full-on lockdown to prevent the big areas from catching it, but China's reasonably good at not letting news out, particularly when protecting cushy party members losing face a serious public health crisis shows up.

I live in a small city outside Shanghai and I've been dead for weeks.

Sam Faust
Feb 20, 2015

Atopian posted:

Even if it did nothing reproductive, it'd still be funny.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mistle posted:

NASCAR was originally about using stock-looking cars to evade the law when running bootleg alcohol. People being showoffs, wanted to show them off. Eventually, alcohol was allowed again, but people really liked turning out to watch these souped up cars tear a line down a track(the bootleg alcohol they also served at events was a tasty bonus).

Eventually, people were fussing over "rules" like "how 'stock' does a stock car need to be?" so an official ruling body was formed. Due to parts costs and cutting-edge tech to win, it became a rich man's hobby, so the only people left to race were rich folks--BUT WAIT! Advertising was a gimmick, and companies decided they could give money to people so they could afford cars and parts. That's how cars turned into billboards, and teams were formed. Like anything, they eventually capped total teams, so now if you want in, you have to pay more to get on/in/with one of the current teams, driving the sport further into corporate and advertising interests.

But do they turn right?

Nicodemus Dumps
Jan 9, 2006

Just chillin' in the sink

oohhboy posted:

But do they turn right?

That's RACSAN

Vaporware
May 22, 2004

Still not here yet.

Arven posted:

I'm on the third of the very long books after only a month (lots of time to read in quarantine), so it's actually hard for me to think of specifics now, but here goes-

For context, the books are about humanity's first contact with an alien civilization, so humanity is kind of treated as a singular entity and nationality isn't really ever a factor even though most of the main characters are Chinese.

Several times a book a character will be put solely in charge of solving huge problems that have world-altering ramifications. The whole of humanity always treats these characters as pariahs after not solving the impossible problem. Often it's not even that they didn't solve the problem, they just didn't solve it immediately. It's the equivalent of if the WHO put a single guy (not even a Doctor necessarily, just some guy that everyone agrees is smart) in charge of solving Corona, and then people start literally spitting on him in the street a week later because he hasn't fixed the problem yet.

Related to that, it's kind of subtle and in the background, but education is equated with intelligence. It's as if every level of degree you go up in higher education immediately unlocks another 20% of your brainpower.

Everything is zero-sum. Almost every interaction between humans and every interaction between humans and aliens is treated that way. The overarching plot of the series, the dark forest theory, is that the entire universe is a zero-sum game which causes all species to instantly annihilate each other as soon as they are aware of their existence.

Oh and another one- (Not too much of a spoiler)- at one point humanity is basically doomed, so a few surviving spaceships flee the solar system. Later humanity is no longer doomed, so humans on earth now see this as the ultimate betrayal and send out another ship solely for the purpose of destroying the ships that escaped. This happens a lot. People make a choice to survive that seems personally reasonable at the time, but then something that they couldn't foresee happens later that makes their choice irrelevant. Instead of taking into account the context of the original choice and forgiving them, they are punished harshly for making what is retroactively the wrong choice.


It could just be the author. The books are lauded though, and I really do enjoy them despite the cultural weirdness.

This is way back, but I knew the book's perspective was twisted and decided to read it anyways. It was baffling how many choices the characters make that don't make sense. The takeaway for me was backstab and go full cannibal asap because that's how you survive in space china. It was one of the most depressing books I've read. It was verging on a hate-read by the end.

My kids love the "fairy tales" though. Prince Needle-Eye is up there with Rothfuss' The Golden Screw as my kids favorite stories.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

What's with the poo poo stuff?

I flew to asia a few times and every single time the bathrooms would be actually shut down permanently one by one as they became so covered in poo poo the crew couldn't keep them clean. The ones they kept open would have visible poo poo on the floors and seats and even poo poo handprints and smudges on the sink and faucets. You were lucky to have a working toilet by the time you landed at your stop over point if there was one, where they would often try to clean at least a few for the last leg of the flight.

These were my first times flying so I assumed humans in a cramped tube just went a little crazy and started making GBS threads all over the floor and their hands after 12 hours. But then I went on flights nearly as long to places in Europe and the bathrooms would stay nearly totally clean throughout the entire flight. Talking to a few friends who also did long haul flights to Malaysia and China to visit family every year reported the exact same thing, that the last 4-5 hours of the flight is always unbearable due to the poo poo smeared bathrooms and piss soaked floors.

Do the longer nature of flights across the pacific vs Atlantic push humans over the edge to the point of trashing the bathrooms?
Do longer flights not allow staff to clean the bathrooms or airlines serving asia just not clean them as much?
Cultural factors on toilet use? All it would take are a few people trying to stand on the toilet or just not quite understanding how to safely use a plane's toilet to produce messes like that.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


oohhboy posted:

But do they turn right?

Cars go left, fans go right.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Gargamel Gibson posted:

Where's Haier? Bring him back.

reeducation center, dining on the finest of chicken burgs

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
you mean the finest peanut brittle

Dont Touch ME
Apr 1, 2018

oohhboy posted:

But do they turn right?

Yeah, there are always a few road courses every season. They purposefully keep it low because stock cars are really just really lightweight muscle cars. And I'm not talking about a modern muscle car where you have things like power steering, traction control, ABS, any of that modern stuff. No it's more like a muscle car from the 1970s but with 750 horse power. They don't do well on twisty tracks. The few road courses that are in the NASCAR roster see exponentially more accidents than on oval courses.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Khorne posted:

Nature is held in very high regard. I'm glad they published it.

For the past decade Nature has had a problem riding the PRC's dick in its editorials

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

popewiles posted:

That's RACSAN

*ЯAↃƧAИ

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Grand Fromage posted:

Cars go left, fans go right.

:eyepop: :perfect:

Well Jilin is under "Martial Law" (as opposed to the massive amount of freedom they enjoyed previously?)

Father in law said that there were some blockades going up, soldiers running around, and announcements that everyone is extra-staying inside. The official excuse was a laundry lady apparently infected 11 people (that they know about), but word on the street was that some of the smugglers coming back from Russia (big legit trade and smuggling with Russia in Jilin province) didn't self-isolate and infected like a lot of people, we're talking a few hundreds of people in one of the little "underground" distribution centers/factories. I can see the Gov saying it was one person infecting under a dozen people to save face, and I can see something like "hundreds infected from smugglers" being the Chinese equivalent of a facebook rumour. The truth is probably somewhere in the m. . . dammit South Park!

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
There was some discussion of Cixin Liu a while back and how weirdly unsettling the books were in terms of narrative structural differences. IMO it's less weird if you look at them as simultaneously hard commentary on the hosed up nature of modern China and how the revolution created it, but also propaganda for the gloriousity of modern China.

They've got a new one out "of Ants & Dinosaurs", in which that propaganda part has never shined brighter. Hooo boy, that novel is less subtle than a knife in the eye. Award-winning popularity hasn't altered the translation to make the structure any less alien, either.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Well? Give us some of the juicy bits!

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Nah, I legit gave up reading it quickly and went to finish off Bone Silence instead. After struggling through 3BP and the sequels I know better than to waste my time hoping it improves at all now.

Bone Silence disappointed, Alastair is losing his touch. :(

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Asiana Airways opened up two direct flights to Australia at the end of this month. So I can head home and, (after my mandatory 14 day quarantine stay in a Sydney hotel), be an unemployed middle aged man in his parents spare bedroom, as opposed to being technically employed but hasn't been paid for the last 3 months over here.

It's a lateral move at best. I mean, the footy isn't even going to be on.

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

Look Closer

BrigadierSensible posted:

Asiana Airways opened up two direct flights to Australia at the end of this month. So I can head home and, (after my mandatory 14 day quarantine stay in a Sydney hotel), be an unemployed middle aged man in his parents spare bedroom, as opposed to being technically employed but hasn't been paid for the last 3 months over here.

It's a lateral move at best. I mean, the footy isn't even going to be on.

I hear that soon you will be able to watch the AB's smash the wallabies again

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

i read three body in english and chinese years ago and the first 2 books are fine, but probably get way more praise then they deserve. they are interesting if you've only ever read western sci-fi cuz theyre so different.

the third book is complete nonsense but legit has some cool ideas. it felt like liu had those ideas and wrote a lovely book as a way to get those ideas out, cuz they're never referenced in the first two books.

even within china the 3rd book gets a lot of flak for having sudden strongly misogynistic tones after the first two books didn't really have much in the way of that (not that they were feminist or anything).

basically and idk if this worth spoilering one of the superweapons they encounter from an alien race is some device which collapses 3D space on itself into 2D space, but does it pretty slowly and gradually from the point of impact in a star. the characters find out this is basically the ultimate weapon that all civilizations develop if they develop enough and that the whole universe will eventually collapse onto itself and become 2D due to constant use of this weapon, but it would take millions of years to happen, cuz it spreads so slowly on a galactic scale. they also discover that originally there were far more than 3 dimensions but this has been a constant cycle that has been widdling it down.

the book itself makes no sense and is sorta bad but i did like that concept, esp cuz it's not plainly described and the characters just have no loving idea what is happening at first.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Baronjutter posted:

I flew to asia a few times and every single time the bathrooms would be actually shut down permanently one by one as they became so covered in poo poo the crew couldn't keep them clean. The ones they kept open would have visible poo poo on the floors and seats and even poo poo handprints and smudges on the sink and faucets. You were lucky to have a working toilet by the time you landed at your stop over point if there was one, where they would often try to clean at least a few for the last leg of the flight.

Lol


:(

threelemmings
Dec 4, 2007
A jellyfish!
I thought the second one was excellent just due to the Wallfacer problem as a neat story concept, sci fi or not: how do you plan to beat an entity when every thing you do or communicate to other humans is known to them. The only safe space is in your own head. And the titular realization was cool also. The pacing was a bit weird but it was a wild ride and award worthy I thought. Agreement in the first being solid but maybe gaining more traction due to being so different culturewise. It did make me want to continue seeking out stories coming out of different culture groups, I've read a lot of Russian and some amount of African literature but basically nothing from China and only short stories from Japan.


Magna Kaser posted:



even within china the 3rd book gets a lot of flak for having sudden strongly misogynistic tones after the first two books didn't really have much in the way of that (not that they were feminist or anything).



It was definitely part ofany weird tonal shifts from the first two. First book's most powerful character is a woman who single handedly sells out the human race. Probably not feminist but definitely a fun moment when it happened.

Slightly off topic but I have tried to read more "diverse" literature especially in sci fi which led me to Three Body Problem, and along with that was the Ancillary series by Ann Leckie whose second book lost to 3BP (brought it back on topic), and is definitely feminist or in a weird way beyond feminism mattering and maybe one of my favorite book series in a while, so go read that too.

threelemmings fucked around with this message at 14:47 on May 11, 2020

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
three body problem was kind of interesting I guess? idk, I gave it 3/5 stars or whatever. it was ok, I don't understand why it got so much praise

I had zero desire to read the next two books

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


He was the first Chinese sci-fi author to break out in English as far as I know. Getting there first means more than quality. Maangchi's food largely sucks but she was the first to get big doing Korean recipes in English so she's the go-to now, teaching thousands how to make bad Korean food.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Magna Kaser posted:

basically and idk if this worth spoilering one of the superweapons they encounter from an alien race is some device which collapses 3D space on itself into 2D space, but does it pretty slowly and gradually from the point of impact in a star. the characters find out this is basically the ultimate weapon that all civilizations develop if they develop enough and that the whole universe will eventually collapse onto itself and become 2D due to constant use of this weapon, but it would take millions of years to happen, cuz it spreads so slowly on a galactic scale. they also discover that originally there were far more than 3 dimensions but this has been a constant cycle that has been widdling it down.

This sounds incredibly stupid

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

MAKE NO BABBYS posted:

https://news.yahoo.com/researcher-verge-making-very-significant-030320409.html

Chinese scientist on the verge of huge coronavirus breakthrough found shot in his home in Pennsylvania.

Lol never believe a university press release about the impact of someone's unpublished research

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Fojar38 posted:

This sounds incredibly stupid

My first thought was 'Wait, it's an intergalactic conspiracy to turn the universe into an anime?'

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
ill have you know that anime now incorporates-

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Grand Fromage posted:

He was the first Chinese sci-fi author to break out in English as far as I know. Getting there first means more than quality. Maangchi's food largely sucks but she was the first to get big doing Korean recipes in English so she's the go-to now, teaching thousands how to make bad Korean food.

maangchi figured out how to exude ajjuma-ness on english language youtube w/o being racist on screen or having an accent too strong to understand. thats the secret, not the recipes

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
Her kimchi recipe is really good though.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Her japchae is spot on. That's why I said largely sucks, not entirely sucks. There's a few decent ones.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Something actually cool instead of bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQwGlMEeOE

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
The world would be much cooler if more places were like Bhutan and big into their traditional dress, instead of everyone everywhere dressing like they are british or americans.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I do wish I could somehow have traveled the world safely in like, 1850. See it all when traveling to somewhere like Korea was going to a completely different reality.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

This is fuckin sweet

Ailumao
Nov 4, 2004

hakimashou posted:

The world would be much cooler if more places were like Bhutan and big into their traditional dress, instead of everyone everywhere dressing like they are british or americans.

yeah we can be happy that western people didn't ruin the food in a lot of places the way they ruined most other things.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







I appreciate the effort this person went through but interpolating 60 fps from 24 frames looks so drat bad and artificial.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

McSpanky posted:

I appreciate the effort this person went through but interpolating 60 fps from 24 frames looks so drat bad and artificial.

Looks realm friggin good to me. The colorization is much more off-putting and I wish he's just not do that.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007


This is really cool and I’d love to see a video on how it actually works.

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oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Sort of neat but bad. Running this without the source is pointless and "4k" is a joke. The "AI" has no idea how to deal with the lighting and the interpolation is distracting as it adds no real information. It's butchered and I rather just watch the original.

They Shall Not Grow Old is the gold standard if you want to see something like this actually work.

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