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There’s a real palpable sense that none of the major players (director, screenwriter, lead actors) walked away from this thing thinking they’d made a good movie. It just radiates “sorry guys, we couldn’t land this thing. It was too hard to write ourselves out in the time allotted; we hope you all glean some enjoyment regardless.” I don’t think JJ or Chris Terrio are blind enough that they looked at the final product and went “hell yeah, nailed it.” General Dog fucked around with this message at 22:49 on May 10, 2020 |
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Solaris 2.0 posted:TFA is the original sin of the sequel trilogy. TLJ and RoS just continued the downward slide. Completely agreed.
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May 10, 2020 22:59
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The only times when Force Awakens (a weak movie and a disastrous foundation for a trilogy) ever really felt alive and fun were when Daisiy Ridley and John Boyega were playing opposite each other, so of course they barely had any meaningful interaction for the last two-thirds of the trilogy.
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May 10, 2020 23:08
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A lot of you guys never read about how Boba Fett blows himself out of the sarlacc with some swiss army knife bullshit and if you don’t think that ain’t getting ripped off you ain’t living in the now dudes.
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May 11, 2020 00:09
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Actually people forget he was also every Clone Trooper. Since “what happened to all the clones?” Is never address he will probably play some washout clone trooper. And that would own tbh.
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May 11, 2020 00:13
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I also just watched “The Last Jedi” and it wasn’t just a bad Star Wars movie, it’s a bad movie period. I had no idea what the gently caress was going on, what the character motivations were, and the whole setup was nonsensical and inconsistent with the rest of the series. I feel like I should point out that you actually just watched "Rise of Skywalker" not TLJ (which is a good film with minor flaws)
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May 11, 2020 02:40
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dialhforhero posted:Actually people forget he was also every Clone Trooper. Since “what happened to all the clones?” Is never address he will probably play some washout clone trooper. The problem is that all of those clones are in their 60s at the end of ROTJ and Boba Fett would be like Han's age.
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May 11, 2020 02:52
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It's actually shocking that kid Han (or Lando) didn't show up in The Clone Wars.
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May 11, 2020 03:57
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Detective No. 27 posted:It's actually shocking that kid Han (or Lando) didn't show up in The Clone Wars. Lando is in a few episodes of Rebels.
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May 11, 2020 07:29
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Solaris 2.0 posted:So many possibilities could be had, it felt like the plot could go anywhere! In retrospect the fact that Leia is still a rebel General is some prime bullshit.
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May 11, 2020 11:18
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Detective No. 27 posted:It's actually shocking that kid Han (or Lando) didn't show up in The Clone Wars. Didn't Lucas want to have Han in Revenge of the Sith as a feral Tarzan child living with the Wookies?
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May 11, 2020 11:46
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:holy gently caress that would own unironically Having two or three movies set within the OT would not have sucked, honestly. I really liked Rogue One. Jumping ahead to another tweener movie like Shadows, or something to show what went wrong between ANH and ESB would have been pretty cool. I don't mind stories taking place in and around the known Empire vs. Rebels saga as long as it's interesting. Ben Mendolsohn offered the idea of a series set within the Empire, and the struggle between the more bureaucratic and political true believers (ie - Krennic) vs. the 'old money' Old Republic holdovers who held virtually all the power. Not sure how viable it would be to attract a broad audience, but I'd watch the hell out of it. Problem is that I don't think a lot of other people would. Although I do have high hopes for the Cassian Andor series, assuming Disney doesn't bail on it abruptly.
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May 11, 2020 16:32
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mycot posted:In retrospect the fact that Leia is still a rebel General is some prime bullshit. I actually didn't mind this, because humans in general hate change and tend to revert to their old ways. I thought it was a nice little "development" that Han and Leia both made that mistake after their falling out. Meanwhile, Luke is the one who went through the existential crisis.
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By the end of 8 the table is set for the new generation to finally have their own movie but then you have old Lando taking his ship back, wearing his outfit from when he was in his 20s, and rambling about back in my day we bootstrapped our way to (what we now know was a completely hollow) victory. It's extremely boomer, but then again it's also extremely millennial that Rey's entire story are is about not becoming a homeowner until her parents, grandfather, and three metaphorical parental figures are all yeeted into oblivion e: rey also spends two decades of her life living in squalor and danger accumulating a bunch of technical skills and then everyone is constantly doubting her credibility. nice Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 17:20 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 17:16
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I actually didn't mind this, because humans in general hate change and tend to revert to their old ways. Ah yes that classic narrative arc that we know and love from children’s stories: no one has the capacity for change and all progress is fleeting. Fun stuff! It’s astonishing how bad these movies are.
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May 11, 2020 18:22
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I feel like I should point out that you actually just watched "Rise of Skywalker" not TLJ (which is a good film with minor flaws) Its flaws are more than minor but I still like it and it's the only sequel movie that actually tries to anything remotely interesting Ingmar terdman posted:By the end of 8 the table is set for the new generation to finally have their own movie but then you have old Lando taking his ship back, wearing his outfit from when he was in his 20s, and rambling about back in my day we bootstrapped our way to (what we now know was a completely hollow) victory. It's extremely boomer, but then again it's also extremely millennial that Rey's entire story are is about not becoming a homeowner until her parents, grandfather, and three metaphorical parental figures are all yeeted into oblivion For better or worse, one of the things Johnson seemed most interested in doing was setting up a third movie that couldn't possibly be a re-tread of RotJ but we all saw how that turned out
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May 11, 2020 18:26
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I actually agree of all the movies TLJ is the one I liked most because it at least tried to do something different and interesting with the franchise, even if it's ideas and execution were half-baked. Like I said before, why do we have to keep bringing back all the old characters, villains, themes, and even plot points (Desert Planet! Emperor! The Mandalorian proves audiences are willing to watching something that is different, it just has to be good and Disney doesn't seem to understand that. My hot take is I wish Johnson was able to direct RoS but the toxic Star Wars fanbase would have rioted, and instead Disney told Abrams "undo TLJ, but also fan service this movie up to bring the fans back" and we get what is the worst film in the entire franchise. Then again by not doing Star Wars, Johnson was able to make Knives Out which was the most fun I had watching a movie last year so I consider that a win.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:My hot take is I wish Johnson was able to direct RoS but the toxic Star Wars fanbase would have rioted, and instead Disney told Abrams "undo TLJ, but also fan service this movie up to bring the fans back" and we get what is the worst film in the entire franchise. This isn't a "hot take." It means you are completely sane.
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May 11, 2020 18:53
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When trevorrow got canned I was really hoping for Rian to direct 9, but I guess he was attached to his own trilogy back then. Lol to that being memory holed but also good for Rian on being the only young director to survive star wars with a career. The cartoon man with the wolf fetish and the hats is on track to becoming the chief creative at lucasfilm in a few years
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Ingmar terdman posted:When trevorrow got canned I was really hoping for Rian to direct 9, but I guess he was attached to his own trilogy back then. Lol to that being memory holed but also good for Rian on being the only young director to survive star wars with a career. The cartoon man with the wolf fetish and the hats is on track to becoming the chief creative at lucasfilm in a few years Inshallah
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I actually agree of all the movies TLJ is the one I liked most because it at least tried to do something different and interesting with the franchise, even if it's ideas and execution were half-baked. Guess they wanted to bet on successful formula. And they did it on the most unimaginative lazy way I just watched the last one these days too and was very disappointed. It was somewhat fun, but also incredibly mediocre and dont feels like a proper conclusion to that grand saga of 9 movies. In fact, it barely feels like a conclusion to its own trilogy The whole new trilogy feels like a bad reboot of the original trilogy, except when it feels like a bad fanfic with all that fanservice I do like most of the new characters: Ray, Finn, the pilot guy, they are all good. But nothing interesting was done with any of them
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Ingmar terdman posted:The cartoon man with the wolf fetish and the hats is on track to becoming the chief creative at lucasfilm in a few years Lak Sivrak will finally get the respect he deserves
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May 11, 2020 19:17
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They could come back and do a fourth film of the ST to provide a better conclusion. It could happen with strong writing. Just saying...
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May 11, 2020 19:20
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Making a worthwhile episode 10 would be like choreographing a ballet that is performed on a stage covered in broken glass. It’s not possible to salvage it at this point.
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Jewmanji posted:Making a worthwhile episode 10 would be like choreographing a ballet that is performed on a stage covered in broken glass. It’s not possible to salvage it at this point. Yea you'd have to do some unconventional poo poo like have Kylo re-appear wander the earth for 40 days or whatever (JESUS ANALOGY) but they literally had the Emperor already do that so who cares as long as it's good.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:They could come back and do a fourth film of the ST to provide a better conclusion. It could happen with strong writing. Just saying... You need a whole new trilogy to attempt to justify whatever the gently caress happened in TROS.
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https://letterboxd.com/idiotbear/list/my-pitch-to-lucasfilm/
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The sequel era well is poisoned, it'll be revisited in a generation unless the TV projects can manage to rehabilitate it earlier. That said, I would give pretty good odds to JJ returning to "salvage" the old republic trilogy when that turns into a dumpster fire. Adam driver could be around though I doubt he wants to be disney plus'ed. Those are the only two principals who didn't burn their bridges on the way out
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May 11, 2020 19:30
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Oh god please no more JJ Abrams. Between his bland Star Trek movies and fan-service risk-opposed Sequel movies I am very much done with him.
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After posting about hypothetical movies earlier, I decided to rewatch RoS on Disney+. This movie is a more hyperactive mess than I remember from December. It's completely indefensible, aside from a few cool moments. For the life of me, for as good as Star Wars TV has been since Disney, I can't fathom how iffy the movie side is. On the plus side, Rogue One is awesome. Force Awakens is at least fun, if flawed. TLJ attempts to do very interesting things, but doesn't stick the landing. Then you reach the other end of the spectrum with TRoS, which is plotted out and paced like an action platformer video game. Seriously, they start a level and make some headway. Moment of words, then bad guys! Minor boss fight, then they're awarded with the path to the next level and the object they sought. Repeat a bunch of times until the final boss and cutscene. Oh, and Solo happened. I always have to remind myself that movie even exists because it's so unremarkable. Young Lando is the only truly redeeming factor. And my last note on TRoS - The "bloodline" poo poo aggravates me as much, if not more, than midichlorians when it comes to the Force. It seems to contradict so much, and fails to make sense. If heritage matters so much, then how did Ezra and Kanan become so strong? Or the dude in the Fallen Order (forgot his name)? I don't remember how closely the Emperor's plot mirrored Shattered Empire from the old comics, but it definitely paralleled Voldemort and horcruxes very closely. Or maybe this movie randomly decided to go with wizarding bloodlines as an interpretation. Rey is a LeStrange turned good, and Kylo is a Dumbledore gone bad, then good again.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:They could come back and do a fourth film of the ST to provide a better conclusion. It could happen with strong writing. Just saying... Surely the next episode of Sherlock will make everything better.
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No Mods No Masters posted:The sequel era well is poisoned, it'll be revisited in a generation unless the TV projects can manage to rehabilitate it earlier. Abrams signed an exclusive deal with WarnerMedia eight months ago, so he won't be back on Disney properties for quite a while. He'll be developing stuff for HBO Max for the foreseeable future. Maybe he can take over Fantastic Beasts, because I sincerely doubt he could wreck that franchise any more than the second movie did.
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Doronin posted:And my last note on TRoS - The "bloodline" poo poo aggravates me as much, if not more, than midichlorians when it comes to the Force. It seems to contradict so much, and fails to make sense. If heritage matters so much, then how did Ezra and Kanan become so strong? Or the dude in the Fallen Order (forgot his name)? I don't remember how closely the Emperor's plot mirrored Shattered Empire from the old comics, but it definitely paralleled Voldemort and horcruxes very closely. Or maybe this movie randomly decided to go with wizarding bloodlines as an interpretation. Rey is a LeStrange turned good, and Kylo is a Dumbledore gone bad, then good again. I've said it before but it's hard not to read Rise of Skywalker as Abrams' nepotism apologia
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The skywalker saga is about one dude's wild journey of manipulating a family of shaggy haired space bumpkins into using their freakish powers to bring about space fascism, only to be shot in the face with lightning by his own granddaughter who decides being a space bumpkin is cool. Other mutants such as Broom Kid and Kit Fisto appear throughout (1,360 minutes, five bags of popcorn two
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What are we talking about? The original films clearly established that force sensitivity is at least partially inherited. The midichlorians didn’t “retcon” anything. I’ve memory wiped TROS from my memory so I can’t comment on anything in that movie.
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Doronin posted:Abrams signed an exclusive deal with WarnerMedia eight months ago, so he won't be back on Disney properties for quite a while. He'll be developing stuff for HBO Max for the foreseeable future. Maybe he can take over Fantastic Beasts, because I sincerely doubt he could wreck that franchise any more than the second movie did. Good news actually: he's working with Jordan Peele... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWEASasO-tI
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OctoberCountry posted:I've said it before but it's hard not to read Rise of Skywalker as Abrams' nepotism apologia I can definitely see that. The only possible counterpoint I could make to it is that Rian Johnson messed up whatever plan Disney had for Sheev to come back, based on a bunch of stuff from books and comics. It was pretty clear back in 2015 from the Aftermath Trilogy that there was some deep seeded contingencies to resurrect Palpatine in some way. Then they more or less confirmed that Palpatine made Anakin happen by manipulating midichlorians. So at the risk of making TRoS make somewhat more sense, Abrams may have had a studio mandate to make Palps come back and complete the absurd long game of selective breeding they had been setting up for 3-4 years.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Good news actually: he's working with Jordan Peele... Well I'll be drat. That looks pretty interesting!
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Doronin posted:I can definitely see that. Everything I’ve read makes it sound like the literal, bodily return of Palpatine in ROS was a very late development.
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