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TheLastRoboKy posted:We're back in black and by black we mean we're completely in the dark as we're underneath the doona rather than hiding from a pandemic
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I feel like the Vic government might've caved into a bit of pressure with the relaxation of the restrictions which is a shame because they were doing fairly well until now. Just a week or so after a big outbreak showed the virus is still present in the community and capable of infecting large numbers of people in a short space of time, and we decide to relax a bunch of restrictions?
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May 12, 2020 02:05
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Also lol at Frydenberg. He's going to go full austerity and drive the country into a depression, then use it as an excuse to usher in Workchoices on steroids.
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May 12, 2020 02:07
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gay picnic defence posted:Also lol at Frydenberg. He's saying that second wave shutdowns would doom business but wants to open poo poo. Please do some revision Joshua.
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May 12, 2020 02:12
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Fin Review posted:Secret emails show BHP deal left workers worse off Jesus christ the fair loving work commission.
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May 12, 2020 02:12
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boyce is also the pedophile figurine collector yeah?
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May 12, 2020 02:24
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the fair work comm got stacked with LNP cronies a few years ago
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May 12, 2020 02:25
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gay picnic defence posted:I feel like the Vic government might've caved into a bit of pressure with the relaxation of the restrictions which is a shame because they were doing fairly well until now. Yeah I'm feeling very concerned for the same reasons.
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May 12, 2020 02:47
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gay picnic defence posted:I feel like the Vic government might've caved into a bit of pressure with the relaxation of the restrictions which is a shame because they were doing fairly well until now. A week ago, people were telling me to shut up and listen to the experts. The experts are now saying relaxing restrictions are okay. Why aren't you listening to them?
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May 12, 2020 02:55
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CelestialScribe posted:A week ago, people were telling me to shut up and listen to the experts. The reason for this is that governments around the world and particularly in the anglosphere have prioritised profits over public health, resulting in over a hundred thousand dead people across the UK and United States. Forgive people for being sceptical when the Liberal government led by an advertising man tells us that everything is fine and we should be getting back to work.
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May 12, 2020 03:05
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Mad Katter posted:The reason for this is that governments around the world and particularly in the anglosphere have prioritised profits over public health, resulting in over a hundred thousand dead people across the UK and United States. The Vic Government is Labor, but sure, go off.
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May 12, 2020 03:07
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CelestialScribe posted:The Vic Government is Labor, but sure, go off. Yeah I'm aware of who is in government here in Victoria, but the conversation was specifically about the vuc state government caving to pressure and the positions of the federal government and other state governments are relevant to the discussion here. But sure, have another meltdown about being stuck inside with YOUR SON.
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May 12, 2020 03:11
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Mad Katter posted:Yeah I'm aware of who is in government here in Victoria, but the conversation was specifically about the vuc state government caving to pressure and the positions of the federal government and other state governments are relevant to the discussion here. The truth is that this thread is perfectly happy to listen to experts when it validates its own internal doomsday thinking, but as soon as the same experts state something they disagree with, "oh, well, must be caving to external pressure, its Scomo, somehow...despite them not caving at all before this, its Scomo!!!" The truth is that you just don't want to see this happen because you want to validate your own fears. EDIT: Schools open May 26, as they should, so I'm perfectly happy, thanks.
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May 12, 2020 03:15
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Does that mean you'll stop posting
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May 12, 2020 03:20
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CelestialScribe posted:The truth is that this thread is perfectly happy to listen to experts when it validates its own internal doomsday thinking, but as soon as the same experts state something they disagree with, "oh, well, must be caving to external pressure, its Scomo, somehow...despite them not caving at all before this, its Scomo!!!" Nah people are just cautious.It's probably okay to have concerns and want to discuss them with other people.
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May 12, 2020 03:20
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Mad Katter posted:Nah people are just cautious.It's probably okay to have concerns and want to discuss them with other people. That's really different from "the Vic government is just caving to the big bad feds and the state health expert is only doing this under duress"
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May 12, 2020 03:22
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CelestialScribe posted:That's really different from "the Vic government is just caving to the big bad feds and the state health expert is only doing this under duress" Okay
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May 12, 2020 03:24
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Frydenberg currently dying during his press conference. He just had a coughing fit and couldn’t speak for like two minutes
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May 12, 2020 03:34
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I disagree re: vic. We are waiting on schools for two weeks. We are also not opening restaurants and groups are still small. We also decided this on doing 150,000 cases and only getting 30 hits from that (with the outbreak at the meat place largely in quarantine)
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May 12, 2020 03:45
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yeah the thing is the restrictions are easing. It's not like it's ALL IN BABY WOOP WOOP OPEN UP although in saying that a disappointing amount of people who absolutely do not need to be there are going back into the office
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May 12, 2020 03:48
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People are taking the easing as all is open. cause people are just dumb, just that simple
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May 12, 2020 03:54
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CelestialScribe posted:A week ago, people were telling me to shut up and listen to the experts. I'm not convinced the experts (medical ones at least) actually advised the current relaxation. Their advice to cabinet is confidential so we may not ever know what they recommended. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, when there's clearly examples of community transmission, to make it easier for said community transmission to take place.
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May 12, 2020 03:57
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Zenithe posted:Frydenberg currently dying during his press conference. He just had a coughing fit and couldn’t speak for like two minutes JoFry got the roni
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May 12, 2020 03:58
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Is there a layman's writeup about why bringing the deficit "back to black" is misunderstood/doesn't work/isn't needed? From an economical standpoint I don't understand it.
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May 12, 2020 03:58
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gay picnic defence posted:I'm not convinced the experts (medical ones at least) actually advised the current relaxation. Their advice to cabinet is confidential so we may not ever know what they recommended. You can't claim that Sutton knows all one week, "just listen to the experts", and then when an easing happens, claim he doesn't know what the gently caress he's talking about. He was up there in front of the press this morning saying that schools opening is perfectly safe.
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May 12, 2020 03:59
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It's kind of fun to watch as people are realising they can't stand to be around their partners and kids and are going into manic states as they do anything they can to escape them, even if for a moment.
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May 12, 2020 04:03
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JBP posted:He's saying that second wave shutdowns would doom business but wants to open poo poo. Please do some revision Joshua. What these fuckwits fail to understand is that once a new outbreak takes hold a significant number of people will voluntarily self isolate which will gently caress business regardless of what the rules around social distancing actually permit. We're probably going to end up in a worst of both worlds situation where enough people are interacting to enable the virus to simmer away nicely with regular outbreaks, but not enough people are actually confident enough to go out and spend money so the economy still craters. There's plenty of examples of this from the US where businesses gleefully reopened because their chud governor said they could, only to lose money because they had 2 customers over a weekend.
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CrazyTolradi posted:It's kind of fun to watch as people are realising they can't stand to be around their partners and kids and are going into manic states as they do anything they can to escape them, even if for a moment. meanwhile all the lesbians are like "are the straights okay"
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May 12, 2020 04:06
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gay picnic defence posted:What these fuckwits fail to understand is that once a new outbreak takes hold a significant number of people will voluntarily self isolate which will gently caress business regardless of what the rules around social distancing actually permit. Do you have a better idea? Because medical experts have said elimination is not a viable outcome.
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May 12, 2020 04:08
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CelestialScribe posted:Do you have a better idea? Because medical experts have said elimination is not a viable outcome. Pretty sure a couple of weeks ago medical experts said we were on track to eradicate it, but I guess the parents-who-can't stand-having-their-kids-at-home lobby cracked the whip and the government fell into line. If the Kiwis can do then I don't see why we can't.
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May 12, 2020 04:13
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CrazyTolradi posted:It's kind of fun to watch as people are realising they can't stand to be around their partners and kids and are going into manic states as they do anything they can to escape them, even if for a moment. except for the spike in domestic violence that's not fun
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May 12, 2020 04:14
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CelestialScribe posted:The Vic Government is Labor, but sure, go off. Just because the opposition says Labor is anti-business doesn't mean they won't sell out in a second.
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May 12, 2020 04:17
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gay picnic defence posted:What these fuckwits fail to understand is that once a new outbreak takes hold a significant number of people will voluntarily self isolate which will gently caress business regardless of what the rules around social distancing actually permit. Yeah I'm really curious about this... Regardless of what happens I'll be staying inside for the foreseeable future. I'm lucky enough I can continue to work 100% from home, so aside from my weekly shop I'll still have zero interaction with outside people. Just doesn't seem like it's worth the risk. My work has also said they won't be returning to fully populating the office again until at least next year, because again, its not worth the risk. I do feel sorry for people in industries where they won't have a choice but to expose themselves and their families to this risk.
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gay picnic defence posted:What these fuckwits fail to understand is that once a new outbreak takes hold a significant number of people will voluntarily self isolate which will gently caress business regardless of what the rules around social distancing actually permit. WA is already in this situation. Businesses aren't opening because there's no point serving twenty people even with jobkeeper. Might as well just stay poo poo and pay everyone jobkeeper than open and fail to profit anyway.
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GoldStandardConure posted:except for the spike in domestic violence yeah there are a few very incredibly lovely consequences of all this. - family violence increasing - poor kids unable to do distance learning - kids with disabilities not getting the support they need - people falling through the cracks - unbridled racism plenty of other stuff too. but the kind of realisation that usually comes when couples enter into retirement - i.e. I don't actually like spending time with this person without a buffer of other people because I find them irritating - is much more benign and amusing
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In a meeting with upper management today, our (Victoria, university student counselling) team was told we're unlikely to be back on-campus before the end of 2020.
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Granite Octopus posted:Yeah I'm really curious about this... Nothing is getting me on a packed city-bound train anytime soon. I was working from home most days before the pandemic and will be dragging my feet in returning to the office for as long as I can.
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There are good arguments to open and curb family violence, depression, ease economic difficulty and other social reasons. Main problem is that it's going to be very easy to gently caress it up and kill an equal number of people or greater and then enjoy businesses getting dead for real due to a second wave closure exhausting their dwindling cash reserves. I was having a chat with a mate that owns a cafe in Seddon and he said he's happy and fine right now trying to follow the rules and serving takeaway but he's very scared of opening to limited capacity since he will need to broaden menus again, pay service staff and hawk-eye patron spacing. His current stance is that he will eat poo poo until he absolutely must give it a go in mid-June when he says he will basically have no choice but to try or die.
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quote:"Encouraging personal responsibility, maximising personal choice, rewarding effort and risk-taking, while ensuring a safety net which is underpinned by a sense of decency and fairness," he said. "The values and principles that have guided Coalition reforms in the past must guide us again in the future. Looks like we're getting Workchoices 2: More work, less choice I look forward to the ALP waving this through
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JBP posted:There are good arguments to open and curb family violence, depression, ease economic difficulty and other social reasons. Main problem is that it's going to be very easy to gently caress it up and kill an equal number of people or greater and then enjoy businesses getting dead for real due to a second wave closure exhausting their dwindling cash reserves. The US is looking at modelling predicting 3,000 deaths a day from June, which is horrifying in scope. Putting businesses in the position of opening and going bust or not opening and going bust seems like a bad decision and the government needs to be supporting everyone during what is clearly going to be a transitional period while we open and close trying to stay on top of outbreaks/infections. Basically they need to keep jobkeeper, if they want businesses to open, there needs to be support for them to survive with far less patronage and they need to keep up the increased rate for those without work if they want anyone to be spending money. I do wonder if Australia could pursue an eradication scenario (some states seem like they are already there) and then force every entrant to 2 week quarantine until we have a vaccine. Who knows which choice causes less harm.
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