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The Question IRL posted:I think it goes without saying, but the vitriol in that Tweet is what is so shocking. Even more so than the awful, hate filled words. I mean she wasn't the head of state any more than Ivanka Trump is the head of state of the US. Louis XVI was the HoS of the Kingdom of France. 12 May 1797, the Army of Italy lead by Napoleon Bonaparte enters Venice during the War of the First Coalition. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:22 on May 12, 2020 |
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The Question IRL posted:So, funny thing about that Marie Antionette quote. The French for “Let them eat cake” is “Qu'ils mangent du gâteau.” I've actually heard that what Marie Antoinette said was more in the spirit of "then why do they not eat brioche?" Not dismissive, just failing to understand that there was a problem.
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forkboy84 posted:I mean she wasn't the head of state any more than Ivanka Trump is the head of state of the US. Louis XVI was the HoS of the Kingdom of France. I don't know if that's the best comparison, since Trump floated Ivanka as the next head of the World Bank, and she could probably convince her old lad to do almost anything (though the mind balks at what he might demand in return)
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Jose posted:Over 40k deaths officially but it's time to ease lockdown naturally, there is nothing about this on the BBC e: popped onto the Daily Mail site to see what they're piping into the minds of olds and this seems weirdly out of character: 
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May 12, 2020 11:23
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Looke posted:I never hear any of that in Bristol. You'll get a small subset of people for sure, but their discrimination is never reserved just for the Welsh - usually Rovers fans as well. Much the same, I've also never heard any anti-welsh sentiment when I lived in Bristol. Anti-londoner sentiment on the other hand 
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Jose posted:Over 40k deaths officially but it's time to ease lockdown 50K, actually. https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1260147443976593408?s=21
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zentigeist posted:I'm kind of hype that we get to wear face coverings like bandanas and masks in public. If they become compulsory I'm definitely buying a black and white keffiyeh and see if it gets me chucked out of the Labour Party for antisemitism.
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Those look like steps to me. The steps to recovery and restarting the economy.
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Jose posted:Over 40k deaths officially but it's time to ease lockdown The official government response will be "bu... bu... but international comparisons are inherently flawed due to variations in the methods of compiling statistics so maybe we actually only have the 3rd or 4th highest number dead people per head of population in the entire world" and the media will let Johnson get away with it. This is the BBC news home page:  This is the BBC news coronavirus page:  Their UK page:  Literally no mention in the live blog so far, nothing in this list of things you need to know about the pandemic this morning and just a tiny mention of excess deaths at the bottom of this article about how death rates are starting to fall in care homes. Even this guardian article can't bring itself to say the corollary of being highest in Europe is being 2nd highest in the world after the US. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-passes-40000-official-figures-say e: they did find space for this in the live blog though, so clearly their aversion to potentially less than totally accurate statistics is not universal 
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It does look from the Financial Times data like Russia and Brazil are rapidly overtaking us in official COVID-19 deaths despite an even worse testing regimen, so we're probably not second in the world any more. We are almost certainly the worst in Europe, although Italy has been slow to release its excess death figures, and they look like they might be really bad.
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May 12, 2020 12:04
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Jedit posted:I've actually heard that what Marie Antoinette said was more in the spirit of "then why do they not eat brioche?" Not dismissive, just failing to understand that there was a problem. Yeah exactly, not sure what op is getting at there. Peasants couldn't get bread, so she was allegedly like "why don't they just eat cakes instead?". I mean, the brioche is just bread but with more expensive ingredients like butter in there. It is like the bus/car analogy, because if they had brioche they wouldn't be running out of the stuff to make bread. Now another issue is whether Marie Antoinette ever said that line at all, there's no record of that.
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Darth Walrus posted:It does look from the Financial Times data like Russia and Brazil are rapidly overtaking us in official COVID-19 deaths despite an even worse testing regimen, so we're probably not second in the world any more. We are almost certainly the worst in Europe, although Italy has been slow to release its excess death figures, and they look like they might be really bad. Yeah I'm seeing a lot of Italians coming out of lockdown to find that a load of the people they work with are dead.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah exactly, not sure what op is getting at there. Peasants couldn't get bread, so she was allegedly like "why don't they just eat cakes instead?". I mean, the brioche is just bread but with more expensive ingredients like butter in there. It is like the bus/car analogy, because if they had brioche they wouldn't be running out of the stuff to make bread. Laura Kuenssberg did an op-ed piece asking what is wrong with the poors for not appreciating a good brioche.
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Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah exactly, not sure what op is getting at there. Peasants couldn't get bread, so she was allegedly like "why don't they just eat cakes instead?". I mean, the brioche is just bread but with more expensive ingredients like butter in there. It is like the bus/car analogy, because if they had brioche they wouldn't be running out of the stuff to make bread.
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Hi all, looking for a bit of advice - looking to join a union but I'm self-employed. The only one that the TUC's union finder website recommended was 'community'. I'd never heard of it until today, anyone got any thoughts on it, or can recommend a different one?
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Bad Parenting posted:Hi all, looking for a bit of advice - looking to join a union but I'm self-employed. The only one that the TUC's union finder website recommended was 'community'. Sort of depends what sort of self employed you are. Freelancer, gig economy worker, small business tyrant? You might want to check out the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:33 on May 12, 2020 |
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I'm an IT contractor. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check them out
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If I remember right the IWW have a computer touches branch, sure we have a couple of thread regulars who are in it who may be able to give more explicit advice
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Long-time lurker infrequent poster looking for some advice please UKMT My sister works on the shop floor of a posh pet shop chain. They've been worryingly lax about 'covid safety' with senior management forcing them to accept cash again, removing the barriers the floor-staff had errected to control the movement of public through the shop etc. They did give her a face shield though, one of those with a 4in gap around the edge which sure doesn't feel like it's doing much. Anyway she has developed a slight cough in the past few days, and her Area Manager has ordered her to self-isolate on SSP again. Thing is, she doesn't believe this cough is Covid-related because a) she doesn't have a fever, and b) she has already had a spell of the full Covid symptoms (dry-cough, fever, loss of smell, etc.) last month, for which she self-isolated as she should have done. She has applied for a Covid test, but she hasn't even had an invitation to chose a timeslot yet so who knows how long that whole process is going to take with the current backlog. The first period of 14 days of SSP ate most of her savings, and she's going to struggle if she has to do it again. Her poor landlord isn't budging on deferring her rent because "why should he take the hit". Of course in an ideal world she would have some kind of support to do the right thing for the sake of public health just in case it is Covid, but here we are. It just doesn't feel right that she is forced to take SSP if it's not her decision to stay off because she feels able to work. In the before-times she'd have been lambasted for not dragging herself in whilst looking like death warmed up! Should she be a capitalist's wet dream and fight for the pleasure of going to work? Is it law or simply strong government 'advice' to isolate if you have one very common symptom?
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Was there some mention that he was expecting employers to take up some of the furlough payment burden? That's not going to cause a lot of layoffs at all.
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Do not let Tim Roache touch your computer.
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1260172273941721092 [e]: Beaten
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Jedit posted:I've actually heard that what Marie Antoinette said was more in the spirit of "then why do they not eat brioche?" Not dismissive, just failing to understand that there was a problem. Either way it was definitely the period equivalent of "it's one banana, what could it cost, ten dollars?"
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Is this a 'reject the evidence of your eyes and ears' situation? I'm pretty sure he specifically said 'addicted'. Good news either way.
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stev posted:Is this a 'reject the evidence of your eyes and ears' situation? I'm pretty sure he specifically said 'addicted'. its either part of the tory factional war currently going on or just them making themselves sound better by rejecting what was briefed https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1260126596847017984?s=20
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Soylent Yellow posted:Was there some mention that he was expecting employers to take up some of the furlough payment burden? That's not going to cause a lot of layoffs at all. The BBC initially reported there would be changes at the end of July but that has disappeared now so who knows.
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stev posted:Is this a 'reject the evidence of your eyes and ears' situation? I'm pretty sure he specifically said 'addicted'. 'A senior government source briefed the Times' that people were 'addicted' to the scheme. My bet is Gove.
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I want this whole loving 'rona thing over with so I can uninstall all these loving apps my work keeps insisting I download so I can join stupid loving meetings
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Jose posted:The Apollo 11 documentary is on netflix and it's so loving good if you care about anything involving space seconding this, the soundtrack is amazing
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If they become compulsory I'm definitely buying a black and white keffiyeh and see if it gets me chucked out of the Labour Party for antisemitism. you might be the only poster itt who doesn't own one already
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Ahh yes, "The Blob", aka "People Who Disagree With Me, Who I See As An Unfeeling Gelatinous Mass Coming In Through My Windows At Night". this is a very healthy way for the government to think about its opposition
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forkboy84 posted:If I remember right the IWW have a computer touches branch, sure we have a couple of thread regulars who are in it who may be able to give more explicit advice Darth Walrus posted:'A senior government source briefed the Times' that people were 'addicted' to the scheme. My bet is Gove. The first clue was that he specifically denied saying it
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