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Sulla Faex posted:holy moly good posti9ng Same to you. Very exciting to hear about the Australian socialist super majority waiting to pounce from shadows if only, um, Labor wasn't a thing or, ah, no Murdoch?
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JBP posted:Coronavirus antibodies historically don't last for more than 12 months so herd immunity is also pointless. Everything is pointless. Throw open the gates. I have a son. Sir, I have two sons and if this government doesn't open up soon then we'll all be rooned. freebooter posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-12/wa-coronavirus-case-perth-pan-pacific-hotel-rottnest-quarantine/12237686 Sounded to me like he was a security guard or someone dealing directly with the quarantined areas and not anything else. Basically like a nurse at hospital getting infected, sounded less alarming than if they were housekeeping in the rest of the hotel or the kitchen staff.
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JBP posted:Like why are Labor stopping the semi socialists from establishing this incredible and effective party now lol the anidav & jbp factor: stary eyed youngins' join the labor party hoping to enact change from within and progressive policy, and then when neither of those happen they become souless burnt out husks
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JBP posted:Same to you. Very exciting to hear about the Australian socialist super majority waiting to pounce from shadows if only, um, Labor wasn't a thing or, ah, no Murdoch? I'm likewise excited to hear more "pragmatic" rhetoric on how we should give yet Labor yet another chance to throw the country under the proverbial bus (note that there is no literal bus here, i cannot stress this enough that you should not start looking for a literal bus) because they'd rather captain a sinking ship (again, a proverbial ship) than change course
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GoldStandardConure posted:the anidav & jbp factor: stary eyed youngins' join the labor party hoping to enact change from within and progressive policy, and then when neither of those happen they become souless burnt out husks I actually wanted to be a disgusting apparatchik and get that state legislature money but you have to go to a lot of evening meetings on top of work 50+ hours a week so I chose video games.
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Sulla Faex posted:I'm likewise excited to hear more "pragmatic" rhetoric on how we should give yet Labor yet another chance to throw the country under the proverbial bus (note that there is no literal bus here, i cannot stress this enough that you should not start looking for a literal bus) because they'd rather captain a sinking ship (again, a proverbial ship) than change course I think our last Labor government federally might have been pretty good, but this country hates women so that didn't work out and our system of governance* rewards DFENS level psychos like krudd. I think Labor are actually nice cuties in most cases they do something pretty nice and then think everyone will respect the agreements struck. Later on whatever it is they created gets lobotomized and turned into a poor killing Frankenstein by the LNP. * Want to add also systems to select candidates. This isn't limited to politics. I've seen some loving crazy poo poo happen running elections for warehouse delegates. Those people can say literally anything they like to win right down "no more Indians on afternoon shift". A very heartwarming one was when the skips and the viets at a rendering plant reached across the aisle to bully a new African worker into suicide watch. JBP fucked around with this message at 12:49 on May 12, 2020 |
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JBP posted:I actually wanted to be a disgusting apparatchik and get that state legislature money but you have to go to a lot of evening meetings on top of work 50+ hours a week so I chose video games. you probably would have made a great lib staffer
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The thing about Labor is that the branches are full of decent people who do believe in a greater good. It's just getting those bastards to listen at the annual conference which is usually hosed over by a bunch of tie wearing right wing weirdos. I legitimately believed in Shorten but he lost and now I am actually a, soulless husk because I feel no love towards the state government and no love to the federal opposition. But I don't know that it makes me wanna join the greens.
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Anidav posted:The thing about Labor is that the branches are full of decent people who do believe in a greater good. It's just getting those bastards to listen at the annual conference which is usually hosed over by a bunch of tie wearing right wing weirdos. If you could turf the entrenched SDA types you'd have a start but Labor staff is full of upper middle class people gently rebelling against their lib parents. The number of conversations I've had with Labor staffers about unions and got startling responses is beyond my counting now. E: like I'm not saying all the ones whose parents have money are bad, but there's super comedy people around in all sorts of places. The children of Canterbury millionaires working at trades hall always give me a warm feeling.
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Sulla Faex posted:labor are p. bad tho, and while they're effectively dead, their shambolic corpse manages to help keep australia from any effective semi-socialist party. thus anybody who supports them is effectively an LNP conspirator lol, what? Labor's fault, not the conservatives who have been in power for seven years.
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hot ham water posted:lol, what? Labor's fault, not the conservatives who have been in power for seven years. Forget it, Jake. It's auspol.
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Buttcoin purse posted:How is that a big thing? The main reason this will never happen is there is a libertarian view that without the ability to fight (extremely expensive and obtuse) Tax Office rulings in the courts, without limit, then freedom and liberty are dead in Australia.
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May 12, 2020 14:00
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Cartoon posted:Currently large corporations spend millions (billions even) of dollars fighting the ATO through the courts to minimise their taxes. Every cent is tax deductible. They effectively minimise the tax payable by fighting to pay less tax. If the amount you could claim to address your tax affairs was capped at some fixed percent of turnover then this particular gravy train would be permanently derailed. This would save the ATO millions in court costs and result in more tax being paid. WHY IS THIS TAX DEDUCTIBLE??! Help.. my brain!
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Cartoon posted:The main reason this will never happen is there is a libertarian view that without the ability to fight (extremely expensive and obtuse) Tax Office rulings in the courts, without limit, then freedom and liberty are dead in Australia. Uh, no it’s not. The reason it won’t happen is because both the corporations seeking to minimise tax, and the corporations they employ to assist them in doing so, are large donors and past and future employers of the entire parliamentary body.
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May 12, 2020 14:16
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The ATO should be the best funded and armed police force in the country.
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GoldStandardConure posted:you probably would have made a great lib staffer JBP posted:The ATO should be the best funded and armed police force in the country. JBP is immediately fired.
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Konomex posted:Sounded to me like he was a security guard or someone dealing directly with the quarantined areas and not anything else. Basically like a nurse at hospital getting infected, sounded less alarming than if they were housekeeping in the rest of the hotel or the kitchen staff. Probably, but no matter who this is it's still terrible. I understand everyone is arguing about class politics or whatever the gently caress but I kinda think the first breach of this country's otherwise very successful incoming traveller quarantine program is the bigger story.
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May 12, 2020 14:54
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eh, two things; low probability but it might be like that case in SA where the fellow was most likely shedding covid RNA ages after actually having it and only now picking it up. Being a contractor working for the government specifically for Covid, not out of the realms of possibility that person being exposed earlier and recovered without showing symptoms. and two (assuming this fellow has recently contracted and is now an active case), yes it is a story a bit like the weird symptoms that get thrown out of three million world wide cases (blood clots in some people, Kawaski symptoms in some children etc) is news but it is also not unexpected news. The virus is contagious and there are likely thousands of people in hotel quarantine at any one time - expecting R0 because they are in a hotel is a stretch.
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Really loving stupid comment A current affair really went after the travel industry with the same thing they usually do- a couple of truths and a ton of lies. A couple of weeks ago before we changed our cancellation policy to be more customer friendly (despite the cancellation fee actually covering tons of costs in most cases- now we charge nothing but still need to pay the airlines and ticketing centres for processing of the refund) and ACA was drumming up a lot of fervour I got a call from a girl working at a store in Melbourne’s west because she went to her car and a customer had followed her, several cases of people calling the police on customers, and one person got punched. It’s just loving ridiculous. They threw a lot of bullshit that isn’t true and now people believe it. “Current affair said Australian consumer law says I’m owed a refund!” - we are refunding every dollar we get, the airline is based out of Abu Dhabi or Jakarta and are not offering refunds! We can’t refund what we don’t get back. “My trip to Phuket was cancelled, Tracey said my refund has to be back in a week or you’ve breached the law!” - Thai airways says on their website they will take six months for a refund I mean the travel and tourism industry employs hundreds of thousands of Australians, I really don’t get why the media are just sinking the boot in during literally the worst time for travel .... ever? Since the country existed? Certainly at least during peacetime. EDIT: in case it wasn’t clear in response to the idiot making violent comments towards Grimshaw that is obviously stupid and will absolutely not help things and that is insanely frustrating given the situation we are in
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Anyone know if the ABS has a dataset on housing tenancy (owner/renter) based on employment industry? I've been trying to look for one, but the ABS website isn't the most intuitive one.
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teacup posted:I mean the travel and tourism industry employs hundreds of thousands of Australians, I really don’t get why the media are just sinking the boot in during literally the worst time for travel .... ever? Since the country existed? Certainly at least during peacetime. To get it out of the way at the start, obviously this doesn't excuse or justify people being abusive to staff, which is completely unacceptable. But my answer to the question is: because some of the operators are being absolute trash and breaching the Australian Consumer Law. I got an email from Flight Centre a couple of weeks ago saying that they're now going to stop charging their cancellation fees for flights that have been cancelled by the airlines. The email says that decision was made after feedback from the ACCC and customers, although I can probably guess which one was more relevant. And that's Flight Centre, not some dodgy company operating out of a closet. A friend of mine has been trying to get a refund for flights (not FC) for a few months now, which most recently involved being on hold for 40 minutes, then being transferred to a sex line, and being blocked on Facebook when she was commenting asking for someone to follow up. So my answer is there's no shortage of horror stories because a lot of those companies behave badly even during normal times, including flouting the ACL, which makes it easy to manufacture outrage stories, which means they don't have to work as hard.
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JBP posted:The ATO should be the best funded and armed police force in the country. I agree. I want to see robocop walking into Google’s Aus headquarters shouting ‘YOU ARE SIXTY BAZILLION DOLLARS IN ARREARS: COMPLY IMMEDIATELY’
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Whitlam posted:To get it out of the way at the start, obviously this doesn't excuse or justify people being abusive to staff, which is completely unacceptable. Flight Centre are garbage in general. They made me waste a couple of hundred bucks on a multiple entry visa I didn't need, because they were years out of date on the visa requirements for the country my flight transited through.
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Endman posted:I agree. aka the South African system
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Whitlam posted:To get it out of the way at the start, obviously this doesn't excuse or justify people being abusive to staff, which is completely unacceptable. Yeah I get it but it just really sucks when we have no power over this operators doing that. And like for example- Jetstar and virgin are not offering refunds (without a fee) in most cases. And virgin wasn’t offering before being put into administration either so it isn’t that. And that treatment of your friend sucks, but sadly it is taking months for refunds in some cases. I submitted mine with qantas for my personal flights and can get into qantas’ back end system for it and it literally is just taking months for these companies to action. Also legitimately the ACCC advised at first that we were in the right with charging our fee at first as it’s always been there even in other times like this - I know someone who sat in on the meeting with them to clarify. They then turned around weeks later and threw us under the bus on it. Got lag- that sucks, what country was this for? A bad travel agent really does hurt but good ones are around and sadly flight centre just being the big ones means there’s plenty of both around.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Anyone know if the ABS has a dataset on housing tenancy (owner/renter) based on employment industry? I've been trying to look for one, but the ABS website isn't the most intuitive one. Do you have access to tablebuilder? https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6541.0.30.001Main+Features12017-18 has what you need I think.
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I absolutely believe the ACCC are/behaved poorly, but it's still bullshit for cancellation fees to be put onto the consumer when the airline cancelled the flights. If the consumer cancels absolutely, fair enough. If the flights literally aren't running, then gently caress charging the customer for that. With the no refunds, I'm pretty sure that's not allowed under the ACL if the flights have been cancelled (I think you should get a replacement, i.e. other flight, or refund), but I'm not positive about that. There are some rights that can't be signed away under the ACL, regardless of what a contract says, regardless of where a company is based.
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teacup posted:Got lag- that sucks, what country was this for? A bad travel agent really does hurt but good ones are around and sadly flight centre just being the big ones means there’s plenty of both around. Vietnam, stopping over twice on the way to and from Europe in 2007. The first stop was for 8 hours and the second for 36. I can't remember the specifics any more, just that Flight Centre charged me north of $150 for a multi-entry visa that I discovered I didn't need once I got there.
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Whitlam posted:I absolutely believe the ACCC are/behaved poorly, but it's still bullshit for cancellation fees to be put onto the consumer when the airline cancelled the flights. If the consumer cancels absolutely, fair enough. If the flights literally aren't running, then gently caress charging the customer for that. That’s the argument every company is making. They will get a replacement (in 2021). I agree customers shouldn’t have to pay but it’s a tricky spot. I had to spend labor in a shop with bills and we incur costs ticketing the flights etc. wages here in Australia etc as well. Then we have to incur those costs again to refund the ticket to get the money back Like it’s a hard situation, luckily we have funding so can get through it, but for many companies they will just straight up collapse without a lifeline of some sorts. And that will not help consumers either. This is the same in the events and art space. Like support local artists but are local artists giving refunds for rescheduled concerts? In many cases no. Wedding venues as well are not refunding deposits, saying they can just move. What happens when all of these businesses just completely fall over?
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GotLag posted:Vietnam, stopping over twice on the way to and from Europe in 2007. The first stop was for 8 hours and the second for 36. I’m not sure how in 2007 it was but yes if you were just transiting via one Vietnamese city you wouldn’t have needed a multi entry. That sucks you were overcharged and gave the wrong advice. For what it’s worth if you went to customer relations they would have refunded. Also I’d be a bit careful (in your case you’re probably correct) but I’ve had customers tell me they were told x or y (especially in Asia) about visa requirements and say I lied to them, then I pull up the advice on the country in questions consular page or smart traveller (both updated recently) which shows the opposite. Vietnam especially is one that advises people differently to what their own consulate says sometimes.
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Similarly local event promoters are screaming up and down to keep your tickets and not ask for a refund because it hurts them and the events have been rescheduled. Given a lot of the events this promoter had lined up were international acts, I think its being very ambitious to reschedule the dates for later in the year and holding on to punters money. Its a shame because this particular scene imploded about 4 years ago when the biggest/only promoter was outed as part of MeToo and about 10 shows were cancelled. this new guy has slowly pieced it all back together and mended a lot of relationships with bands and labels and now hes risking loving it all up from the opposite angle by keeping peoples money for shows pretty much everyone realises aren't going to go ahead. I just want to stand in a cramped band room in the back of a lovely pub jostling around with other sweaty idiots 
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Cartoon posted:I got my first Covid denier in person today. I won't go into the specifics but holy gently caress there is no vaccine for stupid. I've had my fair share of people talking about how it's not so bad, all the people who died had pre-existing health conditions, who cares about old people anyway (the person saying that one was an old person) and so on and so on. I haven't had anyone saying it doesn't actually exist yet though.
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Cartoon posted:I got my first Covid denier in person today. I won't go into the specifics but holy gently caress there is no vaccine for stupid. There absolutely is and it comes in a number of sizes, too! 9mm, 45acp, 22LR...
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Commbank tipping a 1/3rd fall in house prices: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/cba-completes-bank-results-with-third-quarter-update/12241338
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teacup posted:That’s the argument every company is making. They will get a replacement (in 2021). I've heard some horror stories from hospitality as well, with people signing onto cafe leases as personal guarantors who are now facing bankruptcy. I suspect there'll be quite a few COVID bankruptcies in six months or a year.
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Galdun posted:Do you have access to tablebuilder? https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6541.0.30.001Main+Features12017-18 has what you need I think. Cheers, I think this is it! I don’t have micro data access but I’ll ask around and someone at work should.
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