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I tried Picard and it was so aggressively  that I can't remember if I watched one or two episodes.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I keep trying to convince my friends to watch Final Frontier but every time I bring it over for movie nights they immediately shoot it down. TMP was what Star Trek Phase 2 would have looked like. ST2, 3, 4 and 6 were 'modern' (for the time) takes on classic Trek. 5 was a classic Trek episode with modern design elements.
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May 12, 2020 18:03
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McSpanky posted:
 bull3964 posted:Enterprise is the first crack at making a Trek show that conforms to fully modern storytelling and it just doesn't have interesting enough plots/scripts/characters to fill up the space most of the time. There are some standout episodes, but most of the time it's just a well executed dour and joyless affair. I’m a little biased when it comes to Enterprise because it’s the first Trek I can remember being really excited for pre-release and then following for the duration of its run. I watched TNG and early DS9 with my folks but I was way too young to remember them well, and we never watched Voyager at all. I used to have subscriptions to both Star Trek Communicator and Star Trek: The Magazine and they both promoted the poo poo out of the show, plus I was a stupid teenager so I was pumped from the get-go. It’s probably an objectively bad show, but I still enjoy it more than Voyager, partly because of nostalgia, but also just because it eventually kinda-sorta tried to be something different.
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May 12, 2020 18:21
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I am an Enterprise apologist but the most damning critique is that I can't think of a single episode that wouldn't have been better with the cast from a different series. "Broken Bow" After a mysterious alien is killed on Earth, Kirk must assemble the crew of the Enterprise and bring the body back to its home planet before it causes an interstellar incident.
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May 12, 2020 18:33
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TheCenturion posted:TMP was what Star Trek Phase 2 would have looked like. ST2, 3, 4 and 6 were 'modern' (for the time) takes on classic Trek. 5 was a classic Trek episode with modern design elements. The sets and costumes would likely have been largely similar (although there's no way you're getting the Rec Deck on a TV budget), but the special effects would have been way more primitive. The lighting would probably also be different since they would have been under much more severe time constraints.
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May 12, 2020 18:36
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Each show has its strengths, which isn't to say they're equal. If anything, it shows what really matters. TOS has the best tone, TAS has the best ambition, TNG has the best pure writing, DS9 has the best characters, VOY has the best... deactivated iguana, and ENT has the best apologia for war crimes.
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May 12, 2020 18:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:In stark contrast to the material that's been under discussion, I simultaneously streamed Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home with some of my friends tonight and we had a great time. It's such a heartwarming movie. I'm so glad it exists and I'm also sad that we will never see a Star Trek movie like that again. Imagine the crew of Discovery travelling back in time to 2020. With their attitudes, they would be sooo out of place. 
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May 12, 2020 18:46
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bull3964 posted:It actually follows the central thesis of the show instead of being a hollowed out TNG with some scarcity elements. It's a coin flip as to which out of Enterprise and Voyager are more openly contemptful of their core premises. ENT is absolutely an even more hollowed out TNG. The only major thing separating it from being another Voyager is it has two seasons of major style/tone pivots driven by them knowing that the TNG episodic formula was well and truly done and that they needed to try something else to hold off cancellation.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The sets and costumes would likely have been largely similar (although there's no way you're getting the Rec Deck on a TV budget), but the special effects would have been way more primitive. The lighting would probably also be different since they would have been under much more severe time constraints. Yeah, the lighting and sets would have been vastly different in Phase II, as they had different directors, sets, production designers and cinematographers. Wise sacked a lot of people when he was brought on board.
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May 12, 2020 19:04
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Sash! posted:I tried Picard and it was so aggressively You probably watched five and just received the narrative content of a single episode of any other show
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May 12, 2020 20:02
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Zurui posted:I am an Enterprise apologist but the most damning critique is that I can't think of a single episode that wouldn't have been better with the cast from a different series.
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May 12, 2020 20:14
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I enjoyed Picard mostly, and I still feel like you could edit the 1st season into a 2 hour film.
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May 12, 2020 20:14
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The_Doctor posted:I enjoyed Picard mostly, and I still feel like you could edit the 1st season into a 2 hour film. Absolutely, pacing was all weird. The vast majority of stuff on the borg cube could have been cut (and, for that matter, the borg connection entirely). We can't even say that the Borg were the hook to bring Seven into the story since they encountered her away from the cube. The borg's tech really had no intersection with the AI at all, it was just set dressing. There was probably some story they could have mined there relating to the blending of synthetic and organic as it relates to AI, but there was nothing at all. There were some very treky bits though that I liked. All of the various assistant holo programs on the La Sirena were amusing for one.
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May 12, 2020 20:31
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The borg felt like a marketing misdirection ploy They deserve better
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May 12, 2020 20:53
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The Bloop posted:The borg felt like a marketing misdirection ploy
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May 12, 2020 20:57
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FlamingLiberal posted:In the end they were just for marketing, at least it felt that way. Everything with the ex-Bs felt like a storyline that should have just been cut since it had almost no relevance to anything else. No, everything else should be cut The XBs were a great idea
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May 12, 2020 20:59
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The Bloop posted:No, everything else should be cut There were just too many ideas shoved into a season that was already like 7 episodes minus the first three which was a pilot and screened together when they did the premiere.
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May 12, 2020 21:04
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The_Doctor posted:I enjoyed Picard mostly, and I still feel like you could edit the 1st season into a 2 hour film.  that's what I had been saying since the start. tng 2-parters did better stories in a fraction of the time.
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May 12, 2020 21:12
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Timby posted:Yeah, the lighting and sets would have been vastly different in Phase II, as they had different directors, sets, production designers and cinematographers. Wise sacked a lot of people when he was brought on board.
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May 12, 2020 21:15
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Huh, I don't hate it. It's really interesting though how they can take a lot of the same art deco design and make it seem like TOS (mostly due to the paint).
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May 12, 2020 22:24
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I still think the nacelles are at odds with the saucer design a bit, but it’s alright. Eaglemoss did a version of it not long ago and it looks good lined up with the other TOS Enterprises.
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May 12, 2020 23:03
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bull3964 posted:Huh, I don't hate it. It's really interesting though how they can take a lot of the same art deco design and make it seem like TOS (mostly due to the paint). The bussards look like they're filled with delicious orange fruit filling
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May 12, 2020 23:42
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One of the (many) problems with Picard and Discovery is that they sound too american. All the best trek feels more multicultural, TOS had russian and scottish accents on the bridge as well as whatever sulu is doing. TNG has picard and troi. DS9 had Irish(ish) and British. The only non american accent in discovery is Georgiou and she's the best part. I think they talk a lot differently than previous treks too, more formal maybe. The characters from disco and picard sound like the cast of the OC. If anything I want more accents. Why not give Saru a thick Italian accent.
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May 13, 2020 01:10
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It-sa me! Saaaaaru!
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May 13, 2020 01:17
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Reed was British Trip was Floridian, which is essentially another country. The Xindi were correct to obliterate it.
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May 13, 2020 01:21
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Butternubs posted:One of the (many) problems with Picard and Discovery is that they sound too american. Picard and Rios on STP speak a French and Spanish so strong, even the most advanced Universal Translator cannot translate it.
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Is there some sort of Spaceship Architecture Appreciation class I can take to learn how to evaluate and appreciate the different ship shapes the way you all do? I certainly have opinions on the insides of ships (TOS is cozy, TNG is fun, DSC is way too futuristic) but when I see the outside of a Star Trek ship I'm just like "oh, there's a Star Trek ship" the way someone who doesn't know anything about architecture might just say "oh, there's a skyscraper"
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Do you have opinions on how cars look? A lot of it is visceral reaction combined with our nostalgia for those designs. For me, the connie refit is not only one of the best studio models of a starship out there, giving depth and weight to something that actually looks like it was designed by people, it's also the ship that I associate with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD4lB1A3KyI The Star Trek movies being on ABC movie night is just a warm a fuzzy feeling I have from my childhood. It was NEW Star Trek after watching TOS reruns and it was so much more mature. I don't know FOR SURE if I watched it when it premiered on ABC as I only would have been 5 1/2 at the time. But I know I was an avid Star Trek fan as long as I could remember watching TOS reruns to the point when I was bouncing off the walls when I was 8 when TNG premiered.
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Astroman posted:Picard and Rios on STP speak a French and Spanish so strong, even the most advanced Universal Translator cannot translate it. Hell, I didn't even notice non-hologram Rios had an accent, shows how much attention I paid to Picard...
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In Picard, Patrick Stewart, Harry Treadway, Alison Pill, Santiago Cabrera, Evan Evagora, Jonathan del Arco, Orla Brady, and Marina Sirtis all are non-American by birth.
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May 13, 2020 03:30
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Epicurius posted:In Picard, Patrick Stewart, Harry Treadway, Alison Pill, Santiago Cabrera, Evan Evagora, Jonathan del Arco, Orla Brady, and Marina Sirtis all are non-American by birth. Fukkin fereigners 
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Epicurius posted:In Picard, Patrick Stewart, Harry Treadway, Alison Pill, Santiago Cabrera, Evan Evagora, Jonathan del Arco, Orla Brady, and Marina Sirtis all are non-American by birth. And it was still a hot pile of rear end. maybe my theory's wrong.
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May 13, 2020 03:39
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Star Trek: We don't really like Star Trek
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Zurui posted:I am an Enterprise apologist but the most damning critique is that I can't think of a single episode that wouldn't have been better with the cast from a different series.
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Zurui posted:I am an Enterprise apologist but the most damning critique is that I can't think of a single episode that wouldn't have been better with the cast from a different series.
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Zurui posted:I am an Enterprise apologist but the most damning critique is that I can't think of a single episode that wouldn't have been better with the cast from a different series.
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I decided to watch a random TNG episode the other day, and ended up choosing "The Defector". There is one throwaway line that the Romulan guy says to Data that's something like "I know a ton of Romulan cyberneticists that would love to get their hands on you", and, welp I guess that completely undermines the premise of Star Trek: Picard...
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May 13, 2020 04:58
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Waltz was tonight's DS9 episode on H&I. God, Marc Alaimo puts on a masterclass of acting work in that.
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May 13, 2020 05:32
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Waltz is a top tier episode. Brooks and Alaimo just chewing each other's scenery was great.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Is there some sort of Spaceship Architecture Appreciation class I can take to learn how to evaluate and appreciate the different ship shapes the way you all do? I certainly have opinions on the insides of ships (TOS is cozy, TNG is fun, DSC is way too futuristic) but when I see the outside of a Star Trek ship I'm just like "oh, there's a Star Trek ship" the way someone who doesn't know anything about architecture might just say "oh, there's a skyscraper" Did you get a copy of the TNG tech manual when you were twelve?
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