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The older Mazda interiors integrated the screen, they switched to that layout later. Personally I think it looks fine and don't see why you'd ever want the screen to retract - that sort of mechanism is just another thing to fail as the car ages.
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I actually like the tacked on screen in Mazdas because when you integrate the screen properly, the originally minimal dashboard becomes fatter to accommodate it. Of course having a retractable screen would be ideal, like in the Audi S3 which has a similarly minimal design if you don't count the screen, but that's just unnecessary extra poo poo in a Miata.
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May 13, 2020 09:37
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I specifically discarded any car with a stuck on tablet for infotainment screen when I went new car shopping. It's such an ibvious cost cut and looks horrid in most cases. Toyota Corolla is a prime example.
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May 13, 2020 09:57
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I doubt it makes any difference cost wise.
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May 13, 2020 10:05
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I remember reading that it had to do with making it easier to change out the screen/unit for newer/larger alternatives without having to redesign the inside of the dash or the wiring or anything like that.
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May 13, 2020 12:02
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Mazda did it for ergonomic reasons. That specific spot enabled better driver awareness than other locations. Mazdas still have things like physical buttons you can build muscle memory for.
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May 13, 2020 12:13
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Mazda's "tablet on a normal dash" design philosophy would make so much more sense if the tablet disconnected from that like a docking station; but as far as I know that isn't the case.
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May 13, 2020 12:13
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Dear god that s class is bad.
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May 13, 2020 12:21
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LibCrusher posted:The new 2021 Hyundai S-Klasse It's clearly a Kia
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May 13, 2020 12:32
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Wrar posted:Mazda did it for ergonomic reasons. That specific spot enabled better driver awareness than other locations. Mazdas still have things like physical buttons you can build muscle memory for. Wonderful for being night blinded unless there is an easy turn off somewhere. That just another thing that pisses me off with the multitude of screens new cars are being blighted with - turning the loving things off so my night vision isn't utterly hosed in the country areas. My Levorg's got an insanely stupid series of pokes and prods to shut down both screens so that turning down the dash lights actually can be effective. My night vision isnt bad (It's always been pretty good) but it's not what it used to be. I very much notice the difference being in the old shitbox Forester which has gently caress all dash glare
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May 13, 2020 13:05
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My G37 let you turn off all the interior lights. It was weird. Who needs a speedo!
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May 13, 2020 13:08
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Saab famously had an 'everything off bar the speedo' night vision mode in a lot of their cars
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May 13, 2020 13:55
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Wonderful for being night blinded unless there is an easy turn off somewhere. That just another thing that pisses me off with the multitude of screens new cars are being blighted with - turning the loving things off so my night vision isn't utterly hosed in the country areas. My Levorg's got an insanely stupid series of pokes and prods to shut down both screens so that turning down the dash lights actually can be effective. It's very easy to turn off screens in most modern cars (the Golf is like one button) and most have a low light invert mode that is not very bright as well. The other reason that tablets live above the dash besides vision/human factors stuff is that you'll notice the center vents for the HVAC below that. If you move the tablet down in to the center stack, you have to move the vents, or the screen gets really low like in the Mk 7 Golf. if you get behind the dash there's a shitload of stuff going on, and the HVAC vents and plumbing take up a huge amount of space.
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May 13, 2020 14:01
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It's too bad the new Miata doesn't have an option for no screen at all with something basic like a single din music/bluetooth player. Most people don't buy Miatas for the entertainment system to begin with it's not about that, leave it for the touring trim automatic cars or something.
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May 13, 2020 14:06
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They need to start using backlight dimming HDR tech in cars so only the in use areas of the screens are bright. I sure there are issues with getting the tech that durable though. That S class is an abomination. The new interior is clearly a cost cutting measure they think they can get away with because people like Tesla's giant screen.
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May 13, 2020 14:09
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probably minimal cost savings and if you're really that in to jinba ittai above all else you are probably not buying new.
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May 13, 2020 14:10
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Applebees Appetizer posted:It's too bad the new Miata doesn't have an option for no screen at all with something basic like a single din music/bluetooth player. Most people don't buy Miatas for the entertainment system to begin with it's not about that, leave it for the touring trim automatic cars or something. Backup cameras are required so some sort of screen has to go somewhere. Economies of scale means it's cheaper/easier to just use the same $40 LCD on every car.
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May 13, 2020 14:12
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:They need to start using backlight dimming HDR tech in cars so only the in use areas of the screens are bright. I sure there are issues with getting the tech that durable though. I think Hyundai/Kia was talking about putting OLED screens in their cars
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May 13, 2020 14:19
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:They need to start using backlight dimming HDR tech in cars so only the in use areas of the screens are bright. I sure there are issues with getting the tech that durable though. No, people specifically like the giant Tesla screen snd seek it out. Usability and safety wise they're disasters but normies love that poo poo I guarantee that the stuck on iPad screen design everyone's doing comes from overwhelming focus group approval and not any sort of cost savings
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May 13, 2020 14:20
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bull3964 posted:Backup cameras are required so some sort of screen has to go somewhere. Economies of scale means it's cheaper/easier to just use the same $40 LCD on every car. Jesus the nanny bullshit is getting ridiculous. Next it's gonna be air compressors required in every car with a Hummer style system to automatically inflate tires when they're low because idiots can't be bothered to inflate their drat tires.
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May 13, 2020 14:23
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Eh, that's the wrong attitude to have. Mandating of safety features means manufacturers can't gate keep $75 of electronics behind the $6000 entertainment and don't kill your neighbor's kid package.
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May 13, 2020 14:26
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My attitude is that I don't need a back up camera because I'm not a moron, but if it saves people from morons then so be it I guess.
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May 13, 2020 14:34
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I like backup cameras. I'm not a moron either, but I can't see through my own trunk. The camera gives you an awareness that looking out the window can't.
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May 13, 2020 14:37
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I get that, but it's being mandated because of morons that can't be bothered to properly look behind them before they back up and run over grandma. [e] I understand they are very useful especially in large trucks and SUVs, but I don't think they are necessary for mid size and small cars. That being said, if there's already a drat screen in the car might as well have one, but now it just means screens are permanently mandated for back up cameras and aren't going anywhere. Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 14:49 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 14:39
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It's being mandated because it's a good idea, especially in this era of ever shrinking greenhouses. But you do you, want to rail against ABS and airbags next?
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May 13, 2020 14:42
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It's still the automatic transmission that I hate. You should only be allowed to drive a manual unless you have a doctor's note saying you are medically unable to work a clutch.
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May 13, 2020 14:45
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Backup cameras are also more prevalent because other safety measures such as the dreaded “high belt line” makes visibility worse, and therefore necessitates the backup camera. Which is, again, a good thing.
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May 13, 2020 14:48
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I get that, but it's being mandated because of morons that can't be bothered to properly look behind them before they back up and run over grandma. Just because a car is small doesn't mean it has fantastic sightlines. Put the top up on a Miata and take a second look about how much you can see out the back.
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May 13, 2020 14:52
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You know what I really like on my car but thought I'd never use due to it feeling super gimmicky but actually use almost all the time now? Automatic parking. Out of all the times it has only failed once, and it was due to it being a bit optimistic with the parking space size. All I have to do is control the brake/gas. Does backing into perpendicular spots as well. Perfectly.
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May 13, 2020 14:52
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Q_res posted:It's being mandated because it's a good idea, especially in this era of ever shrinking greenhouses. But you do you, want to rail against ABS and airbags next? Yeah sure Sorry I just don't like touch screens in sports cars is that ok 
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May 13, 2020 14:53
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Q_res posted:It's being mandated because it's a good idea, especially in this era of ever shrinking greenhouses. It's a pretty terrible fix for a problem that doesn't need to exist though, right? Car interiors are always nice places to be when it doesn't feel like you're sat in a cave looking out into the world.
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May 13, 2020 14:56
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bull3964 posted:Just because a car is small doesn't mean it has fantastic sightlines. Put the top up on a Miata and take a second look about how much you can see out the back. I've owned four Miatas and managed just fine 
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bull3964 posted:Just because a car is small doesn't mean it has fantastic sightlines. Put the top up on a Miata and take a second look about how much you can see out the back. poo poo take a look out the back of the new Mazda3 hatch. One reason I like the Golf is that the sight lines are really good, but the back up camera is still useful for close-in work and making sure I have avoided a particularly obnoxious handrail when I back up. Applebees Appetizer posted:Yeah sure no ones forcing you to have a touch screen in a sports car
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Olympic Mathlete posted:It's a pretty terrible fix for a problem that doesn't need to exist though, right? Car interiors are always nice places to be when it doesn't feel like you're sat in a cave looking out into the world. it all depends on how much crashworthiness you are willing to sacrifice to that end, or how much money you are willing to spend. There was great visibility in my aunt's ED civic but gently caress getting in any kind of side impact in that car. 10mph and the door is gonna intrude in to your side.
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May 13, 2020 14:59
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:no ones forcing you to have a touch screen in a sports car Mazda is! When I was looking to buy a new car I seriously considered a Miata and was pretty bummed about that. That's why I thought it would be nice to have a no screen option but if cameras are mandated that will never happen oh well.
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May 13, 2020 15:02
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Except the screen in a Miata isn't even touch if you're going more than 5 mph. It's the one thing I like a lot about Mazda. You use the hockey puck controller, after a little bit it becomes second nature.
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May 13, 2020 15:07
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Screen/touch screen, lets not argue semantics. I'd like Mazda's system just fine in a CX5 I just don't want it in a Miata. That's all.
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May 13, 2020 15:12
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Screen/touch screen, lets not argue semantics. no one is forcing you to have a screen in your sports car
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May 13, 2020 15:14
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Lol I could always just buy a new Miata and remove it with a hammer I guess 
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you can buy a NC which has zero touch screens or any of myriad cars produced that do not have touch screens
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