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I'm not leaving the Labour party, nor am I leaving my union. I don't begrudge anyone who does leave - hell, I didn't join Labour until after 2017. It is extremely difficult to be critical of people doing the same thing I did for the first...decade? of living here - finding the Labour party ideologically the best party to support with voting, but also finding them far too odious to participate in for any number of totally valid reasons. I keep coming back to Corbyn, Abbot, Benn and McDonnell. Keir Starmer is not Tony Blair (as much as I suspect he wishes otherwise) and will never, ever do a fraction of the damage Blair did. They stayed, not because they enjoyed wearing a rosette that was only red by virtue of the blood spilled on it but because no matter what twisted perversion the party became, it was still the best (if agonizingly slim) chance they had to build socialism in this country. We didn't win, and that sucks. And hey, as I have posted before, I made the decision to leave the night we didn't win - poor Twisto bore witness to my very drunk and very sad choice on Friday the 13th, funnily enough. I am extremely pessimistic about the future of this country, and I am exercising my extreme privilege to remove myself from it, eventually at least. But, I feel responsible so long as I am here to continue to try, even, or in fact especially if I think we are doomed to failure. I don't know if I could live with myself otherwise. It has been my observation that if you are going down, it is far better to go down swinging - it hurts either way, but at least it hurts them too. A cold comfort, but it beats the alternative. This thread can get, well, bad sometimes. I mean this thread always was? We were miserable leftists sniping at each other for far longer than we were high as kites on hope and dreams. I wonder sometimes if we could play against that type, be a little more understanding and patient with each other, but I have never expected miracles.
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OwlFancier posted:Impressed you managed to get to the end of that sentence without catching fire when the main qualification for being a president is having the right surname. The President can't actually do that much on his own authority, though. Bill Clinton spent half his time in office with Newt Gingrich successfully obstructing him at every turn. Obamacare took the form it did instead of trying to be anything more radical because of the need to appease the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema; and when it came in, there was very little change for people living in Massachusetts, who had had something very similar since 2006 because of the massive leeway available to state governors and big-city mayors. Donald Trump should by rights have had the country halfway to being Gilead by now, but his negative people skills left him completely unable to pursue any kind of legislative agenda while he had the majorities to do whatever he wanted, and then he lost his House majority. American politicians can absolutely achieve high office on the right surname and the contacts that come with it, but none of them can guarantee being able to do anything once they're there.
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Trin Tragula posted:The President can't actually do that much on his own authority, though. Bill Clinton spent half his time in office with Newt Gingrich successfully obstructing him at every turn. Obamacare took the form it did instead of trying to be anything more radical because of the need to appease the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema; and when it came in, there was very little change for people living in Massachusetts, who had had something very similar since 2006 because of the massive leeway available to state governors and big-city mayors. Donald Trump should by rights have had the country halfway to being Gilead by now, but his negative people skills left him completely unable to pursue any kind of legislative agenda while he had the majorities to do whatever he wanted, and then he lost his House majority. yeah, even when obama had a good solid majority the second he started trying to push forward his legislative agenda a handful of centrist hosed it over - the fabled blue dog democrats. the name isn't just for show - while the federal executive has slowly amassed a ridiculous and terrifying set of powers, the intent was always to be a union of states. many things we now find anti-democratic (like the electoral college or the senate) were compromises to retain that ideal - little states only joined up if they could have guarantees to not be drowned out by more populous ones.
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May 16, 2020 04:16
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Jabby's joke was funny. People giving him poo poo for it are in fact, the real poo poo.
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Sure everyone's happy to clap for our NHS heroes, but when it comes to laughing at their jokes...
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Trin Tragula posted:ah yes, that horrific ratfucking of "not wanting someone who isn't a Democrat, has never attempted to run for any other office as a Democrat, and built his political popularity on consistently rejecting the Democratic label, to get nominated as a Democrat" Maybe you don’t like the judginess of the word ‘ratfuck’, but from a cold functional point of view it’s inarguable that the Dems are corrupt and mobilised their concentrated power in the form of shenanigans to keep Sanders out, right? Even the first primary had Buttigieg declare victory with 0% of results declared then the party refusing to correct known errors. The point about Biden being a true blue Dem (known mainly for ‘co-operating’ with Republicans) doesn’t seem relevant except as a shriek of horror about people not going through ‘the proper channels’. It might partly describe how the Democratic Party grandees think and thus -why- the ratfuck happened, but I don’t think that rebuts the OP’s point at all. Shogi fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 16, 2020 |
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Why the gently caress is the UKMT full of posts about American politics? One thing I've really been noticing is that this whole coronavirus crisis seems to have destroyed whatever lingering trust was left in the BBC among people I know. I think their coverage of school re-opening in particular has just been so contrary to most people's experience and opinion it's become blatantly obvious they're just acting as a government mouthpiece.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Why the gently caress is the UKMT full of posts about American politics? Because Boris has turned one into the other. First by being our incarnation of Trump, and presently he'll be making the UK into Puerto Rico 2.
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May 16, 2020 08:42
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CoolCab posted:This thread can get, well, bad sometimes. I mean this thread always was? We were miserable leftists sniping at each other for far longer than we were high as kites on hope and dreams. I wonder sometimes if we could play against that type, be a little more understanding and patient with each other, but I have never expected miracles. This is also where I am at. Thanks for saying it in better words than I can use CoolCab.
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May 16, 2020 08:48
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I don't know about 'a bunch of leftists', as much as 'horribly depressed/angry at Things but either unsure or outright helpless/hopeless against the EVERYTHING that seems to be against the remotest attempt at fixing it'. I am tempted to say 'we are the people who read Private Eye' only I don't know if everyone here does or think much of it even if so.
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I think several people have subscriptions but I definitely couldn't be arsed reading hislop's rag.
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May 16, 2020 09:04
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Jedit posted:Because Boris has turned one into the other. First by being our incarnation of Trump, and presently he'll be making the UK into Puerto Rico 2. Boris Johnson smiles as he completes his project, the Americanisation of UK politics. He is then immediately ejected from office because, not having been born in the UK, he is ineligible to be President 
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Bloodly posted:I don't know about 'a bunch of leftists', as much as 'horribly depressed/angry at Things but either unsure or outright helpless/hopeless against the EVERYTHING that seems to be against the remotest attempt at fixing it'. Private Eye is absolutely Haram
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Trin Tragula posted:The President can't actually do that much on his own authority, though. Bill Clinton spent half his time in office with Newt Gingrich successfully obstructing him at every turn. Obamacare took the form it did instead of trying to be anything more radical because of the need to appease the likes of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema; and when it came in, there was very little change for people living in Massachusetts, who had had something very similar since 2006 because of the massive leeway available to state governors and big-city mayors. Donald Trump should by rights have had the country halfway to being Gilead by now, but his negative people skills left him completely unable to pursue any kind of legislative agenda while he had the majorities to do whatever he wanted, and then he lost his House majority. i don't think you understand what the presidency is actually for
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May 16, 2020 09:59
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I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. Let us unite and rise up against a common enemy: https://jamesvsburger.com/2014/02/09/recipe-monster-munch-burger/
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May 16, 2020 10:08
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Failed Imagineer posted:Private Eye is absolutely Haram "Haram"? ....Why would Private Eye be forbidden in Islamic law specifically?
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May 16, 2020 10:11
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StarkingBarfish posted:I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. at least they chose the best flavour for this monstrosity, I suppose
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May 16, 2020 10:13
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StarkingBarfish posted:I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. Chucking the whole lot in the oven when there's already lettuce on really elevates this. Imagine the texture of warm lettuce contrasting against monster munch. Exquisite.
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May 16, 2020 10:19
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pizza burger (serves 2-4): 0. get really high and/or drunk 1. get two frozen margherita pizzas and oven for like 80% of their cooking time 2. fry 4 burgers and onions and maybe some bacon 3. take one pizza, cover in burgers, onions and maybe some bacon 4. put loads of that plastic shredded mozzarella on top 5. invert the second pizza and apply to the top of the first 6. return to oven for a few minutes 7. chop into quarters while trying not to think about the river of grease flowing across the chopping board I wish I could find the picture of it, it was delicious
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May 16, 2020 10:38
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Bloodly posted:"Haram"? As in just generally it is forbidden, it's kinda bad as a publication, for all that it gossips about the people in charge, the guy who writes it is very much the same kind, went to the same schools, doesn't really think much differently. I think it's mostly for people who just like to tut at the government but don't actually care much about it one way or another.
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XMNN posted:pizza burger (serves 2-4): Hmm it's no Meat Ship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmyDyCbslEc
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StarkingBarfish posted:I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. I can't for the life of me understand people who insist on mashing up corn snacks and putting them on things. Like, just why?
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Why the gently caress is the UKMT full of posts about American politics? There were about five posts total. There are a lot of transatlantic political parallels and links; you can’t really understand one without the other anymore. Our politicians have learned a lot about the potency of shamelessness from the US, and our culture warriors have influenced theirs. Honestly I found this ‘derail’ more interesting than talking in circles about electoralism vs. ‘parallel structures’ for the nth time.
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May 16, 2020 10:54
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I bet starmer snorts lines of powdered roast beef before PMQs. It gives him that forensic edge.
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OwlFancier posted:As in just generally it is forbidden, it's kinda bad as a publication, for all that it gossips about the people in charge, the guy who writes it is very much the same kind, went to the same schools, doesn't really think much differently. I think it's mostly for people who just like to tut at the government but don't actually care much about it one way or another. It’s one of the few places left for good quality investigative journalism, especially at the local level, has occasionally funny cartoons and contributors who reasonably know their subject (as least for medicine), but lol no do not go there for political opinion
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Private Eye is worth reading if you’re resistant to Nick Cohen hot takes and viscerally terrible cartoons. They carry some interesting long-running investigative stories into issues like Deepcut that get forgotten about by the majority of our wonderful journalists.
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XMNN posted:just seen some 99.9 p petrol 'kin ell, the end times are upon us.
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May 16, 2020 11:33
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XMNN posted:just seen some 99.9 p petrol gonna huff a lot of petrol this weekend
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StarkingBarfish posted:I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. I bought a pack of Aldi's monster munch, some pickled onion veggie puffs. They're pretty good man
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StarkingBarfish posted:I've noticed the sharp decline in posting postivity is highly correlated to the absence of monster munch chat. Coincidence? I think not. My usual order at my local pub is the monster munch burger, but their version is just smoky bacon flavour mm in a normal burger.
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spiderbot posted:My usual order at my local pub is the monster munch burger, but their version is just smoky bacon flavour mm in a normal burger. Read this as smoky bacon flavour M&Ms at first. I want to try those now.
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I had some M&S Beef Wellington flavoured crisps the other day, 'cos I'm posh like that. They were pretty nice.
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winegums posted:The US left is facing a similarly dismal future. The democratic race for leader showed how utterly corrupt their party is, as Joe Biden ratfucked his way to be leader. Wasn't the primary reason for Biden becoming leader that a whole bunch of voters unexpectedly decided to vote for him at critical points in the race, especially Southern black voters on Super Tuesday? He got 61% of the black vote in South Carolina, 58% in Texas, 60% in Virginia, 62% in North Carolina and 72% in Alabama. He's crushing Bernie among that demographic, apparently just because he was Obama's VP. Even in states where Bernie was strong, Biden still performed much better among the middle ages and above and with uneducated voters. You can't blame the Democrat party leadership for people's bad voting choices. jabby posted:I literally stopped checking this thread because instead of an outlet it turned into something actively harmful to my mental health ... Maybe I've missed all the good, positive stuff ...I mean gently caress, I meet people dying of Covid who depress me less than reading a few pages here. I, for one, appreciate your posts, especially those with medical insights. People will harrumph about  in here if you grumble about tone, but if you want an example of something truly good that has happened ITT then check out the benevolent fund stuff in the OP. I thought that was pretty special.Look after yourself. 
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winegums posted:WDTATW did an episode ages ago about the Major years, and it's amazing how a scandal that would've ended a politician's career then such as an illegitimate child or string of divorces, is now a defining feature of our PM. Like in the 90s being openly homosexual, or trans, or born out of wedlock would have opened you up to sickening attacks from the press and tanked your career in all but the most metropolitan of seats, and even being Black or Asian would have made you a risky candidate outside of so-called 'ethnic seats'. It's pretty good that "they had a sex! outside of marriage!" gets mostly shrugs now (although that's only been tested for white men for now), but pretty bad that "they are terrible at their job, nakedly corrupt, and killing people" also seems to get shrugs. CoolCab posted:This thread can get, well, bad sometimes. I mean this thread always was? We were miserable leftists sniping at each other for far longer than we were high as kites on hope and dreams. I wonder sometimes if we could play against that type, be a little more understanding and patient with each other, but I have never expected miracles.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I had some M&S Beef Wellington flavoured crisps the other day, 'cos I'm posh like that. M&S do good crisps. I like their tortilla chip ones (chili flavour is good) and they've reduced the price by about 40% in the past year. They should pivot to the crisps and knickers branding, not just knickers. Double their sales. Ad of someone eating crisps in their undies, true to life and all. Honesty in sales. Guaranteed winner.
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