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ShadowHawk posted:There's a reason very few countries have politicized "believing in the virus" It's funny that Australia has ranked preference voting, mandatory voting, weekend elections, but their government is always as racist and corrupt as the US & UK (and right now, as disease-denying and Sinophobic). Kinda feels like Anglo culture dooms us to be hell nations more than any political organization.
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May 16, 2020 09:08
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Good soup! posted:A stone castle A group of saxon mercenaries is available for hire.
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May 16, 2020 11:10
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Mr Interweb posted:here's the dude's FB post: Me sowing: *cough cough*, “I know my wife forgives me for murdering her”
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May 16, 2020 11:45
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There's a magical world of difference between "I hope God forgives me" and "I know God forgives me" but it describes everything about the modern day hardcore casual Christian.
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May 16, 2020 14:23
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cmerepaul posted:A group of saxon mercenaries is available for hire. the black death-
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Flowers For Algeria posted:the black death- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiMd0MIVGVM
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BigDave posted:Was there some kind of airborne libertarian virus going around in 2008-10? I had the exact same mindset until my mom went on disability and I was like 'oooh poo poo, bad things can happen to us'. Teens reading Ayn Rand and going through an egotistical libertarian phase (until reality smacks them in the mouth) is super common apparently. I had a friend who didnt snap out for like a decade, but now shes a socialist radfem (non-TERF)
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I feel like in some ways libertarians are easier to radicalize than liberals, since they perceive but misattribute fundamental problems that liberals deny. Libertarianism doesn’t seem like anyone’s final stop unless their psychological development is arrested and is more like a stopover on the way to leftism or fascism.
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May 16, 2020 15:24
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i feel like libertarian's greatest strength is that it helps provide people a sense of (completely undeserved) smugness due to not being part of the two major parties. it gives you that supposed "independent" cred, which makes you feel you're smarter than everyone else, who are just a bunch of blind sheep. source: myself when i became a libertarian
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May 16, 2020 15:30
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a lot of people who call themselves libertarians don't have any real beliefs of ideology beyond a vague "government bad, no one call tell me what to do" mindset. in other circumstances they'd be calling themselves anarchists because they jaywalk or smoke weed or whatever.
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Tetrabor posted:Thanks to the 'reopening', the majority of white people in my city have dropped wearing masks and you can now connect the quality of a shop by how many of its employees are wearing protection. here in the SoCal suburbs, everyone is wearing masks except obvious CHUDs. the one non masked dude I saw was also rocking a GRUNT STYLE shirt with a giant American flag and certainly a punisher skull on his Silverado. my bony fealty posted:a lot of people who call themselves libertarians don't have any real beliefs of ideology beyond a vague "government bad, no one call tell me what to do" mindset. in other circumstances they'd be calling themselves anarchists because they jaywalk or smoke weed or whatever. Libertarianism is an entire political ideology of people who ate their entire meal at Denny's and are arguing with the waitress that it was bad and should be free.
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MunchE posted:here in the SoCal suburbs, everyone is wearing masks except obvious CHUDs. the one non masked dude I saw was also rocking a GRUNT STYLE shirt with a giant American flag and certainly a punisher skull on his Silverado. In fairness though, Libertarians are not a monolith. There are the Stack of Pancakes should be free libertarians, and the two moons over mihami should be free libertarians, and the chicken loaded potato sizlin' skillet should be free libertarians. In seriousness though I've never met a libertarian that wasn't a straight white male.
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Truniht posted:I don’t think in any other country that progressives would have to share the same party as Bush apologists and Bloomberg instead they’d be forming a coalition government with them 
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:lol NPR just ran a FMguru posted:LOL it's that trailer park preacher who went to New Orleans to Tesseraction posted:Seems to be this 8 min segment: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/15/857104944/family-of-covid-19-victim-who-criticized-hysteria-around-virus-faces-online-atta
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Mr Interweb posted:i feel like libertarian's greatest strength is that it helps provide people a sense of (completely undeserved) smugness due to not being part of the two major parties. it gives you that supposed "independent" cred, which makes you feel you're smarter than everyone else, who are just a bunch of blind sheep. Antifa Turkeesian posted:I feel like in some ways libertarians are easier to radicalize than liberals, since they perceive but misattribute fundamental problems that liberals deny. Libertarianism doesn’t seem like anyone’s final stop unless their psychological development is arrested and is more like a stopover on the way to leftism or fascism. These post perfectly encapsulate the libertarian mindset and are succinct. The basic concept sounds reasonable: work harder and be smarter than everyone else = success and a leadership role. Survival of the fittest and all that. Makes sense on a certain Darwinian level but it just completely breaks down in practice the first time there's a natural disaster, a fire, poison in the water or a pandemic and removes the basic underlying factor of all of us living a society. It's what Obama tried to say with "you didn't build that" that CHUDS willfully misunderstood. A collective society that views every other member as a competitor just leads to everyone fighting and a lot of guarded gates. It's also, like you said, a seductive stance to take for people unwilling to commit to an ideology in the "both parties suck/government sucks" sort of way. Sort of an easy way out on the face of it. But I can promise you if Libertopia Island were ever honestly attempted, that after 3 weeks, the first thing they'd start doing would be setting up regulations, oversight and...I dunno...collective bargaining in a sense I guess? Meaning, they'd collectively decide maybe one guy can't poison everyone's water supply with his factory and that maybe it's not a good idea to have to run your credit card first before you can get someone to put a fire. They'd realize quickly that over half of the resources they need - natural or otherwise - probably don't exist on that island (grain, oil, water and what have you) and start holding "meetings" and "elections" to "appoint people" to work for the collective good.
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KoRMaK posted:ohhh lol i heard the first part of this yesterday and started chuckling at the lead in. i thought i was reading posts from like months ago. npr is really pissing me off, i started listening almost daily about 5 years ago (pre-trump i think) but more and more they do this poo poo about decorum and "maybe both sides have equal points" and its just really loving stupid. they even hosed with bernie. im glad i never donated! If you have any question about NPR's political orientation, just listen to the long list of Fortune 500 and Military/Industrial corporations they rattle off every hour as they thank their sponsors. People who think they are progressive or left-of-center because they listen to NPR are some of the worst people in the world. BiggerBoat posted:But I can promise you if Libertopia Island were ever honestly attempted, that after 3 weeks, the first thing they'd start doing would be setting up regulations, oversight and...I dunno...collective bargaining in a sense I guess? Meaning, they'd collectively decide maybe one guy can't poison everyone's water supply with his factory and that maybe it's not a good idea to have to run your credit card first before you can get someone to put a fire. They'd realize quickly that over half of the resources they need - natural or otherwise - probably don't exist on that island (grain, oil, water and what have you) and start holding "meetings" and "elections" to "appoint people" to work for the collective good. Libertarianism is appealing to young people (especially while male young people) for several reasons, many of which have been noted above. I'd also add that it's a theory-to-explain-everything that is also simple and self-contained and easily applicable that also make you look faux-sophisticated. It also taps into that strain of thinking that people (esp. men) in their late teens and early twenties have about separating from their parents - "I can't wait to live on my own without my dumb parents telling me what to do" except replace parents with society/government. And the reason it appeals so much to smug white young men is that it takes a lot of privilege, combined with a lack of bumps and scrapes from the school of hard knocks, to look at the world and think that you can take it on one-on-one, and that it would be a fair fight. Most people who think that get it knocked out them pretty quick. My favorite thing about libertarians is that every one I've ever met, online or IRL, has lived off of someone else's money - either family (mom's basement, spouse with good job, family wealth) or the government (federal contractor, county job, military pension, NSF grant, or my favorite - disability payment)
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lol no libertarians just want to tear down the existing state so al of their petty tyranny and coded racism suddenly becomes legal
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Truniht posted:lol no libertarians just want to tear down the existing state so al of their petty tyranny and coded racism suddenly becomes legal That's definitely why it was invented, but much like scientology it's grown into something populated by people who believe the bullshit. It's the difference between Ron and Rand.
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This may be a dumb thing to ask, hey just look at my Username I guess but, is being a libertarian when you're young something that happens a lot when you're American? Like, anarchists I understand, we've got quite a few in Europe...but libertarianism? Maybe I'm lucky cause I've been socialist since 10 mostly through parental influence I never felt the need to push against. Libertarianism just seems so...selfish and I get it, teen boys (maybe girls?) are basically John Galt (ew) but does the American Exceptionalism lie feed into that?
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Being a teen anarchist requires that you have compassion for other people. We’re a nation of psychopaths (the white ones, anyway).
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An insane mind posted:This may be a dumb thing to ask, hey just look at my Username I guess but, is being a libertarian when you're young something that happens a lot when you're American? Like, anarchists I understand, we've got quite a few in Europe...but libertarianism? Maybe I'm lucky cause I've been socialist since 10 mostly through parental influence I never felt the need to push against. Libertarianism just seems so...selfish and I get it, teen boys (maybe girls?) are basically John Galt (ew) but does the American Exceptionalism lie feed into that? America's real religion is selfishness and greed. And a lot of Americans are convinced they'd be the next Bill Gates/Jeff Bezos/Elon Musk or whatever if everyone else would just get out of their way. The enshrining of people's "closely held beliefs" and the legacy of things like "manifest destiny" have endowed Americans with a really nasty creed that makes Libertarianism make perfect sense. All the problems in the world are caused by the stupidity of other people and if I the genius was just allowed to act unfettered, I'd fix everything, might as well be the manifesto of the average American.
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An insane mind posted:This may be a dumb thing to ask, hey just look at my Username I guess but, is being a libertarian when you're young something that happens a lot when you're American? Like, anarchists I understand, we've got quite a few in Europe...but libertarianism? Maybe I'm lucky cause I've been socialist since 10 mostly through parental influence I never felt the need to push against. Libertarianism just seems so...selfish and I get it, teen boys (maybe girls?) are basically John Galt (ew) but does the American Exceptionalism lie feed into that? I think it thrives in places where individualism is promoted on a ideological level and there's being an intentional undermining of communal living. We have libertarians here in Peru but they are rather few, because it's hard to be a libertarian if you live in a three-generation extended family house and work in the extended family business. The fact that you're part of a community and by extent, a society is much more present. There's still people who struggle against it "No mom! I'm gonna do great on my own!!!"
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Tesseraction posted:Seems to be this 8 min segment: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/15/857104944/family-of-covid-19-victim-who-criticized-hysteria-around-virus-faces-online-atta gently caress the framing of this article. If he had survived it with mild symptoms, he’d be posting about how god saved him, and the virus is god’s punishment to New York for having gays and browns in them.
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Pacho posted:I think it thrives in places where individualism is promoted on a ideological level and there's being an intentional undermining of communal living. We have libertarians here in Peru but they are rather few, because it's hard to be a libertarian if you live in a three-generation extended family house and work in the extended family business. The fact that you're part of a community and by extent, a society is much more present. There's still people who struggle against it "No mom! I'm gonna do great on my own!!!" You'd think it would be hard, but frequently the largest recipients of government aid are the loudest railing against "the system" and how they are being held back by all this assistance. The tea party was famously against all forms of government aid, except most tea party candidates were huge recipients of bailouts and aid for farmers or stuff like that. Though we could quibble over whether those people were truly libertarians or simply saying they were libertarians to get ahead (perhaps the most libertarian thing of all).
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The Atomic Man-Boy posted:gently caress the framing of this article. If he had survived it with mild symptoms, he’d be posting about how god saved him, and the virus is god’s punishment to New York for having gays and browns in them. So clearly the story here is how mean the liberals are being. e: vvv Yeah, when *I* get benefits from the government, it's OK, because I'm just getting back a a little bit of what I've put into the system through all my hard work. Everyone else is a lazy moocher. FMguru has issued a correction as of 19:56 on May 16, 2020 |
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Most of the conservatives I've met who received assistance either (1)believed "it's ok because I, the only taxpayer in America, paid into it" or (2)got frustrated at experiencing how many hoops they had to jump through for so little assistance but somehow placed that anger on "unworthy" people trying to take advantage of the system, which forces it to be so cruel and unforgiving. They had varying ideas about how you could just never allow "those people" to apply and then it would increase the amount of assistance everyone else could receive.
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pseudanonymous posted:You'd think it would be hard, but frequently the largest recipients of government aid are the loudest railing against "the system" and how they are being held back by all this assistance. I mean, I think everywhere in the world people are (in varying degrees) assisted by their government, helped out by their families and use public infrastructure. That's why I think the promotion of Individualism is one of the important factors of seeing these communal actions and thinking "yeah, if they're for me it's because I deserve it, but everyone else is just munching my taxes" with racism/xenophobia sprinkled on top
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this get posted? the neonazi chud wannabe McVeigh who died in a shootout with the FBI in March pwned himself haha https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/fbi-missouri-man-planning-to-bomb-hospital-killed-himself/ or so the FBI says
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:in the us, using any form of public aid is considered something to be ashamed of. a while back i was talking to my brother and he wasn't aware that welfare queens are a hateful racist fiction. this is despite how we were raised by a single mother who in every way fit the description of a welfare queen, except for being white. we were poor as poo poo! it should be obvious to any of the millions of people who have actually relied on any form of welfare program that it isn't a fun and easy source of unlimited wealth. but still, the stigma remains. This is why all aid programs should be universal, the centrist “I don’t want millionaires who don’t need it to also get aid” candidate line is basically saying “I want poors to jump through Byzantine hoops for lovely service.”
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BiggerBoat posted:But I can promise you if Libertopia Island were ever honestly attempted, that after 3 weeks, the first thing they'd start doing would be setting up regulations, oversight and...I dunno...collective bargaining in a sense I guess? Meaning, they'd collectively decide maybe one guy can't poison everyone's water supply with his factory and that maybe it's not a good idea to have to run your credit card first before you can get someone to put a fire. They'd realize quickly that over half of the resources they need - natural or otherwise - probably don't exist on that island (grain, oil, water and what have you) and start holding "meetings" and "elections" to "appoint people" to work for the collective good. That's absolutely not the case. What would actually happen on Libertopia Island is that one person, probably the greediest and savviest, would quickly monopolize the most essential resources, and use them to hire the biggest, meanest, dumbest sumbitches on the island as enforcers. Then he would use monopolize the use of force and use it to expand his control over the island's resources, set up a caste system with some petite-bourgeoisie to stem dissent, and force the rest of the island's population to work as serfs for scraps, if not outright slaves, under threat of violence. The diehard libertarians who refuse to ~engage in contract~ that clearly exploits them would all be shot or stabbed to death, if not simply starved, within the first month. This is of course assuming that for whatever reason they can't leave the island (and steal all the money) and have to come up with their own system of currency, a sort of "civilization reboot" if you will. FMguru posted:My favorite thing about libertarians is that every one I've ever met, online or IRL, has lived off of someone else's money - either family (mom's basement, spouse with good job, family wealth) or the government (federal contractor, county job, military pension, NSF grant, or my favorite - disability payment) I can back this, the one diehard libertarian I know hit basically all three family categories (mom's basement, spouse with good job, family wealth). Cup Runneth Over has issued a correction as of 20:43 on May 16, 2020 |
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