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Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

ruddiger posted:

So is it a big talking point among libertarians that covid-19 was secretly manufactured in a Chinese lab and the world powers are now conspiring to punish China with sanctions and such? My libertarian coworker was making some wild rear end assertions the other day at work and I’m wondering if the regular internet brain worms are getting extra wormy.

BIG TIT LIL NIP posted:

At this point who gives a gently caress where it came from. It would be great to know yes and sure it could potentially help with something idk but right now I think the most important thing for everyone to do is social distance as much as humanly possible to limit the spread. The cats already out of the bag and taxing China more isn't going to do much towards ending all this pointless suffering.

Australia and the UK are also pretty gung ho about "investigating" China and holding them responsible for the pandemic, they're falling back on the old "external enemy which we can all direct out anger towards" trick in a desperate attempt to shift the public's attention away from their own lovely handling of the situation.

It's particularly stupid for Australia to be screaming about this because the majority of our exports are bought by China (some of our industries send up to 98% of their produce to China) and the Chinese diplomat went "Uh, are you sure you want to do this?" and the Australian prime minister kept shouting and crying and literally shaking so China has been slowly cancelling billions of dollars worth of imports and going "How about now? Still bitching? Okay ...." and cancelling even more and dropping really heavy hints about tariffs.

quote:

Beijing hit back last week against Australia's pursuit of a global inquiry into the coronavirus, halting imports from four of our largest red meat abattoirs citing technical infringements and launching an anti-dumping investigation that could impose 80 per cent tariffs on Australia's $1 billion barley export trade.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/farmer-turmoil-as-china-s-hunger-for-australia-wanes-20200515-p54tiq.html




happyhippy posted:

Its a poo poo bioweapon in the first place.
A thing that only spreads by contact and limited air transmission, a few % death rate, only harms the old or already weakened, and not the soldiers you will be fighting against.
It's emerging that it has long term damage, something you don't want when your lot is invading the territory.
And also needs the target country to be even dumber then poo poo on not wanting to protect itsel....oh wait.

Honestly, if you were going to engineer a weapon specifically to take down the US then a pandemic which can only be stopped if the population respects science and listens to experts and is willing to put the safety of others before their own personal comfort is pretty much perfect.

Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 17, 2020

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Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E
Imagine if the whole world stopped trading with China :allears:

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

didnt the Spanish Flu start in the US and kill way more people than covid19? if China is going to be "punished" for this virus then the US owes everyone for the same poo poo plus a hundred years' of interest

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme
The origin of the Spanish Flu is actually controversial.

But yeah good luck hitting back at the country that manufactures most of the world's poo poo, including the vast majority of pharmaceuticals, antibiotics, and devices that people use to masturbate while in quarantine (or not in quarantine)

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Who suggested punishing India?

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Honestly, if you were going to engineer a weapon specifically to take down the US then a pandemic which can only be stopped if the population respects science and listens to experts and is willing to put the safety of others before their own personal comfort is pretty much perfect.

Lasts longer than the news cycle too

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010

Sjs00 posted:

Do we really have missiles that would reach Moscow in 34 seconds

34 Seconds to Moscow is the name of my band, do not steal.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Shaocaholica posted:

Imagine if the whole world stopped trading with China :allears:

Panicked for a moment, then remembered Transformers are made in Vietnam now. Carry on.

the_enduser
May 1, 2006

They say the user lives outside the net.



Aint nothin but a G thang.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Zugzwang posted:

The origin of the Spanish Flu is actually controversial.

But yeah good luck hitting back at the country that manufactures most of the world's poo poo, including the vast majority of pharmaceuticals, antibiotics, and devices that people use to masturbate while in quarantine (or not in quarantine)

Yeah, what they’re going to do is bring all that manufacturing back to America and pay Americans to do pfffff bahahahhahaha, never mind, couldn’t finish that without cracking up

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



Shaocaholica posted:

Imagine if the whole world stopped trading with China :allears:
I'm looking at the import/export data at https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/import/chn/usa/show/2017/ and https://oec.world/en/visualize/tree_map/hs92/export/chn/usa/show/2017/

I'm trying to imagine how you turn Soy Beans into Computers.

Jon Pod Van Damm fucked around with this message at 02:37 on May 17, 2020

The Walrus
Jul 9, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
i gotta say this spoonful of covid idea really has me intrigued

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Cacafuego posted:

Yeah, what they’re going to do is bring all that manufacturing back to America and pay Americans to do pfffff bahahahhahaha, never mind, couldn’t finish that without cracking up

America already has a labour force that is price-competitive with most of the world. Prison labour.
Only problem is, even in America there aren't enough prisoners, and they aren't usually skilled enough for advanced manufacturing.

If only these problems could be solved somehow...

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
The origin is important to prevent it from happening again.

China convinced the WHO to tell the world there was no evidence of human to human transmission while they covered up the severity of the outbreak and while buying up all the PPE they could.

Later they restricted internal travel while allowing flights to continue to destinations outside their borders

Leaders around the world may attempt to shift focus from their own response
but China is responsible for this pandemic at the most fundamental levels.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Atopian posted:

America already has a labour force that is price-competitive with most of the world. Prison labour.
Only problem is, even in America there aren't enough prisoners, and they aren't usually skilled enough for advanced manufacturing.

If only these problems could be solved somehow...

None of this is the issue, the issue is almost no one in America can actually genuinely conceive of actual industry being more important than nominally more profitable bullshit like finance

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Sten Freak posted:

The origin is important to prevent it from happening again.

China convinced the WHO to tell the world there was no evidence of human to human transmission while they covered up the severity of the outbreak and while buying up all the PPE they could.

Later they restricted internal travel while allowing flights to continue to destinations outside their borders

Leaders around the world may attempt to shift focus from their own response
but China is responsible for this pandemic at the most fundamental levels.

They bungled it but rallied, their Final Bungling Level is like 1% of Trump's

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe
I feel like a lot of Americans, especially right-wingers, are going through their own 5 stages of grief.

First there was denial: This is a hoax, etc.

Then anger, with all the protests

Now bargaining, where "it was all overblown" and, "if we use special, almost arbitrary, rules, it's totally okay for everyone to be in large groups again!"

I dread having to find ways to make people feel better when they collectively hit the depression phase.

Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 03:52 on May 17, 2020

the_enduser
May 1, 2006

They say the user lives outside the net.



5 stages... of grief???
5G????

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1261721092726624256

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

Tertius Oculum posted:

5 stages... of grief???
5G????

:vince:

Piss Meridian
Mar 25, 2020

by Pragmatica

happyhippy posted:

Its a poo poo bioweapon in the first place.
A thing that only spreads by contact and limited air transmission, a few % death rate, only harms the old or already weakened, and not the soldiers you will be fighting against.
It's emerging that it has long term damage, something you don't want when your lot is invading the territory.
And also needs the target country to be even dumber then poo poo on not wanting to protect itsel....oh wait.

it's about what you'd want to damage the economy without killing enough people to cause a nuclear war.

Not that I think that's what happenend.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



While I think China for sure hosed up by covering the starting stages up I agree it makes no sense as a biological weapon. Plus China could probably wage economic war instead of all this bs.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

schmug posted:

I know the internet makes you stupid, but ffs, you would think with how available information is to people now things would be better. But, as it turns out, people are just loving stupid in general.


fake edit: was it really 90%? that seems awfully high...



The second wave is the big peak in the middle

naem
May 29, 2011

QuarkJets posted:



The second wave is the big peak in the middle

we’re about to have another one of them again here

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

We should invade China and then fill American prisons with Chinese PoWs and have them make electronics for us.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Clocks posted:

While I think China for sure hosed up by covering the starting stages up I agree it makes no sense as a biological weapon. Plus China could probably wage economic war instead of all this bs.

I get the CCP's issue with saving face, not owning up to their mistakes, etc. It's the nature of oppressive regimes. But the fact that they low-key bought up all the PPE they could, then sold it back to us at 10x the cost goes from regular CCP bullshit to calculated death-profiteering.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Blistex posted:

I get the CCP's issue with saving face, not owning up to their mistakes, etc. It's the nature of oppressive regimes. But the fact that they low-key bought up all the PPE they could, then sold it back to us at 10x the cost goes from regular CCP bullshit to calculated death-profiteering.

Our own federal government confiscated a lot of it and added an additional extortionate markup selling to our own states, and neglected to ever maintain a domestic manufacturing capability

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Tertius Oculum posted:

5 stages... of grief???
5G????

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

if anyone had the motive to manufacture this virus it's Zoom

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Earwicker posted:

if anyone had the motive to manufacture this virus it's Zoom

Pornhub

They're instituting phase three of their subliminal messaging plan any day now

zer0spunk
Nov 6, 2000

devil never even lived

rotinaj posted:

Pornhub

They're instituting phase three of their subliminal messaging plan any day now

Pornhub did more to flatten the curve than the actual government and I want that noted in history books of 2050

Plus with pornhub the person getting hosed isn't me for once

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



rotinaj posted:

Pornhub

They're instituting phase three of their subliminal messaging plan any day now
Yes it's called hypno porn

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

bird with big dick posted:

We should invade China and then fill American prisons with Chinese PoWs and have them make electronics for us.

My man have you heard of globalisation?

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

zer0spunk posted:

Pornhub did more to flatten the curve than the actual government and I want that noted in history books of 2050

Let all who will rant at the young ones around a barrel full of burning cash about the before times take this to heart.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E

The Walrus posted:

i gotta say this spoonful of covid idea really has me intrigued

Look it’s going to taste like olive oil, butter, mayo or cum.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right
A spoonful of covid helps the remdesivir go down
In the most delightful way!

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

I did fall asleep reading a particularly erotic chapter
in my grandmother's journal.

She wrote very detailed descriptions of her experiences...
I for one am unironically loving this whole mask thing and hope it becomes permanently acceptable to wear masks in public. Going shopping while looking like a ninja is the best. It's like Halloween whenever you want!

SidneyIsTheKiller fucked around with this message at 09:00 on May 17, 2020

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

I for one am ironically loving this whole mask thing and hope it becomes permanently acceptable to wear masks in public. Going shopping while looking like a ninja is the best. It's like Halloween whenever you want!

I'm cool with it even just being a thing you do if you're in public with a regular cold.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

shovelbum posted:

Wow your mom sucks

yah and her politics are bad too !!!

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Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

ruddiger posted:

So is it a big talking point among libertarians that covid-19 was secretly manufactured in a Chinese lab and the world powers are now conspiring to punish China with sanctions and such? My libertarian coworker was making some wild rear end assertions the other day at work and I’m wondering if the regular internet brain worms are getting extra wormy.
this may be news to you but

libertarians dont have answers and speak very loudly

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