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forensic snipe 
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May 17, 2020 18:00
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baka kaba posted:If you can't have a sit down and talk about why there's a Starmer in the room that's making him weirdly on edge (I mean don't make it about your husband, more along the lines of "it's like a weird thing we both tiptoe around and it's fine really") then maybe kinda take his side? The Novara guys did say that Starmer would have a good libel case against nadine dorries tweeting out that fake video, but people like Starmer arnt street fighters
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May 17, 2020 18:01
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As always with any relationship problems, ask goons for advice. Give him time to cool down and then talk to him about it. If he can't talk about it calmly then you've got a problem. If he's just being defensive because he made an obviously poo poo choice then he'll probably be amicable to talk about it.
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May 17, 2020 18:01
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imagine marrying someone who believes in electoralism lol
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May 17, 2020 18:36
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My sister's husband was blairite now starmarist but she is corbynista. She calls him toryboy when they discuss politics because he goes to some local (non-political) group that meets in the local Tory clubhouse. During the general strike, my nan told me most of the wives were Tory and husbands left (Daily Worker readers - precursor to Morning Star). She said they used to stand across the street hurling insults at each other. Your hub is probably a bit embarrassed about his choice as Starmer wasn't Stormin' * up the popularity charts within hours of becoming leader. * Some may recognise this as a take on a Robert Wyatt song title.
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May 17, 2020 18:36
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Jel Shaker posted:The Novara guys did say that Starmer would have a good libel case against nadine dorries tweeting out that fake video, but people like Starmer arnt street fighters Wouldn't mind if Big Keir got out a pair of knuckle dusters and started hammering on people, but I have to say that the fact a former head of Public Prosecutions doesn't seem inclined to use the courts to do something about actual libel really drives home what a useless numpty he is.
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May 17, 2020 18:37
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Wear one of these masks whenever talking to him, and your husband will feel much less stressed about the subject https://www.funkybunky.co.uk/Item/Keir-Starmer-Mask if they're out of stock, perhaps one of these t-shirts will set him at ease 
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May 17, 2020 18:38
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Lord Sumption on BBC News around 4pm saying the Government has no purpose to extend the lockdown other than fear of negative public response. Says Government response has only scared people more when the virus is not as bad as they have been led to believe. Fit and healthy people should be allowed to live their lives, you cannot live without risk. People should be able to take decision about their health and bodies without government intervention. In a sense this fellow advocated for legalisation of all drugs and assisted suicide. (maybe he isn't so bad???) Lord Sumption is a judge whose whole gimmick is non-interventionalism in every scenario. He is not representative of views among the senior judiciary, he can make some very interesting academic arguments but bringing his views up in non-legal circles is the equivalent of citing that one economist who thinks Brexit is a good idea instead of literally all the other economists who disagree. Except that at least he loving knows stuff about law, even if he's fairly consistently wrong on any matter of principle (not just me saying this, it's widely agreed, the other senior judges poke fun at it all the time). Why the gently caress have they got him talking about epidemiology - unless, perhaps, they just want some famous "intellectual" toff to say that all the povs should go back to work, and he's flagrantly obviously going to oppose any kind of intervention since that's literally his whole thing? Which would also explain why they weren't challenging him on anything. He wasn't even being honest anyway, he might be a dick but he's clever enough to know that "don't punish everyone for a few irresponsible people flouting common sense" and "I would go to the pub or theatre without hesitation" are not consistent positions. He was just shilling for the loving Tories, and of loving course the BBC just uncritically platformed him as an expert despite the clear absence of any actual expertise. /rant
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May 17, 2020 18:50
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thanks for the advice, ukmt. i'm fine with agreeing to disagree, not really fine with something being totally not up for discussion. i'm going to leave it for today but try to have a conversation with him about it this week. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Your hub is probably a bit embarrassed about his choice as Starmer wasn't Stormin' * up the popularity charts within hours of becoming leader. yeah, probably partly this. he's probably also embarrassed because I said the day the result was announced that picking the "sensible" option wouldn't keep the press from coming up with ridiculous poo poo and, well, lol
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May 17, 2020 18:51
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Ms Adequate posted:Wouldn't mind if Big Keir got out a pair of knuckle dusters and started hammering on people, but I have to say that the fact a former head of Public Prosecutions doesn't seem inclined to use the courts to do something about actual libel really drives home what a useless numpty he is. do what exactly? the tweet's already deleted. what's he going to get out of suing? a very small payout. it's not like Dorries can get chucked in jail or forced out of parliament over it.
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May 17, 2020 18:53
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Tugendhat and others going bonkers about this. Apparently anti-Semitic. I tried to read it but found it not very readable and very odd. Is it supposed to be humour? Is Stewart Lee one of those HIGNY types? Can't say I'm familiar with his ouevre. (From what I can gather it is 'anti-semitic' because the name is apparently Jewish. But who knew?) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/17/now-boris-johnson-is-talking-through-his-tugendhat Phone post and haven't mastered art of copying and pasting articles. Sorry.
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May 17, 2020 18:59
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Tugendhat and others going bonkers about this. Apparently anti-Semitic. I tried to read it but found it not very readable and very odd. Is it supposed to be humour? Is Stewart Lee one of those HIGNY types? Can't say I'm familiar with his ouevre. Yeah it's making fun of his name they're upset about, which sure is not amazing- as someone with a funny sounding name to anglo ears I'll even cringe at making fun of like Yiannopolous. Milo's an absolute oval office but there's no reason to make fun of a very normal greek last name. It's definitely a bit racist, dunno if I'd call it antisemitic. However, gently caress em, bad faith actors to the last.
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May 17, 2020 19:13
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midori-a-gogo posted:sorry for the e/n post, but i'm not really sure where else to turn with this. It sounds to me like... 1. This choice was a big deal for him and he thought hard about it. 2. He still isn't sure whether he made the right one. 3. He values your opinion, otherwise he wouldn't be upset. 4. He doesn't think you understand why he voted for Starmer. I personally wouldn't bring the issue itself up again, it sounds like he has some processing to do on it. If he brings it up I would be prepared to listen only, then repeat back to him to confirm what you've heard. Once he knows you get his reasoning he'll likely be more comfortable that you disagree. It will be tempting to fire out counterpoints but don't, wait until he's finished and make sure you let him know you understand he made a logical choice on his interpretation of the evidence. If he doesn't bring it up again he's realised he has made a bad choice. You should hopefully get a chance to say your piece and a better discussion after that. Frame things in terms of RLB good rather than Kier bad ie 'I think it would be good to have a strong, left wing, woman as leader' rather than 'Kier is just more of the same neo-liberal men in suits'. 'You'll likely still disagree but don't keep going over the ground, the decision is made for now so why fight about it, time will tell. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 21:15 on May 17, 2020 |
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May 17, 2020 19:26
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Hah, I completely forgot I'd started to move stuff over to a new blog (with a password I could remember): https://effortposts.blogspot.com/ Formatting is still a bit weird but I'm working on that. Please feel free to nominate other posts to go on here so it's not quite such a vanity project for me. Could the OP be updated with the new address please?
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May 17, 2020 21:13
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^^^ forgot to say, great post earlier about the official snow towerMs Adequate posted:Wouldn't mind if Big Keir got out a pair of knuckle dusters and started hammering on people, but I have to say that the fact a former head of Public Prosecutions doesn't seem inclined to use the courts to do something about actual libel really drives home what a useless numpty he is. The grown ups are in charge now - that means just ignore them!!! If you pay attention to them you're just giving them what they want! Borrovan posted:
He's been popping up saying this for a while (Elon "this is FASCIST get back to WORK!!" Musk was signal boosting him as part of his covid truther antics) so yeah real interesting the BBC just decides to get him on today, someone wants a message pushed Anyone see that little video they made with all their big names doing a little bit to the camera going "some day soon... we'll see our friends again and hug them" etc over piano music and then Huw in the studio going UNTIL THEN WE'LL KEEP YOU INFORMED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY in other countries so it doesn't even feel like they're trying to hide what they're doing or what they believe their role is
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May 17, 2020 21:24
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there should be an international regulatory organisation of Videos Made Up Of Lots Of People Cut Together Each Saying Part Of A Sentence Each In Order To Convey A Sense Of People Working Together that makes sure that only a limited number are allowed to be made each year to prevent overwhelming the cheesy video ecosystem
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May 17, 2020 21:49
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Cerv posted:do what exactly? the tweet's already deleted. what's he going to get out of suing? a very small payout. it's not like Dorries can get chucked in jail or forced out of parliament over it. Isn't it more about discouraging other Tory MPs from sharing shite on twitter without checking the veracity? Don't imagine he needs the money.
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May 17, 2020 21:50
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Angepain posted:there should be an international regulatory organisation of Videos Made Up Of Lots Of People Cut Together Each Saying Part Of A Sentence Each In Order To Convey A Sense Of People Working Together that makes sure that only a limited number are allowed to be made each year to prevent overwhelming the cheesy video ecosystem the only exemption is if they all use the same (one) piece of stock youtube music, maybe one with banjos 
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May 17, 2020 22:00
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Angepain posted:there should be an international regulatory organisation of Videos Made Up Of Lots Of People Cut Together Each Saying Part Of A Sentence Each In Order To Convey A Sense Of People Working Together that makes sure that only a limited number are allowed to be made each year to prevent overwhelming the cheesy video ecosystem
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May 17, 2020 22:15
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Advice to renters in this thread: Command hooks remove without wrecking the walls, rental safe: NOT. Just peeled chunks off my wall obeying instructions. Luckily it's not a rental. In my last place (rental) I used nails and filled resulting holes with foam stuff and smeared the surrounding paint over. Couldn't even see the holes at all. The destruction from these Command hooks is too bad for a smear.
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May 17, 2020 23:09
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lol https://twitter.com/designboom/status/1262141099382059009?s=20
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May 17, 2020 23:19
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Prince John posted:Isn't it more about discouraging other Tory MPs from sharing shite on twitter without checking the veracity? Don't imagine he needs the money. The whips office have severely bollocked Dorries, Caulfield & Allan over exactly that point. I’m not sure a course case would really add anything, except the small cash settlement
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May 17, 2020 23:25
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The horse field thing is weird cos like "I bought it for my mum" doesn't at all address the central charge that he can afford to buy a horse field. The fact that it's a frivolity only makes it more silly.
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May 17, 2020 23:26
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A horse field is much cheaper than a house field.
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May 17, 2020 23:36
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midori-a-gogo posted:sorry for the e/n post, but i'm not really sure where else to turn with this. If he blew up at you for making a joke that's disgusting, if you don't feel safe to insult a dogshit politician with your partner then your partner is dogshit. Morally and intellectually you're completely in the right, if your circumstances mean you have to acquiese to his bullshit then okay stay well keep safe, but if not any oval office that tries to tell you what can and can't be joked about is an evil authoritarian piece of poo poo.
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May 17, 2020 23:41
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Well you have to imagine being Regal's son would get you in pretty much anywhere you could possibly imagine in the business, and if you're going to listen to one mans advice there are few you'd consider over him. Doubly so when, as here, the dude is also your dad.
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May 17, 2020 23:46
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strong dahir insaat vibes here also stolen from that lad who made a hug shield from a shower curtain
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May 18, 2020 00:01
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I'd kind of like my lamppost to be somewhere with views, like near a river maybe but I kind of feel like the field thing is more immediately eyerolling for the whole way it's being used as a gotcha by the right like "oh calls himself labour does he, but there he is buying LAND. For a HORSE" like it's going to be the basis of every smug rebuttal in PMQs from now on whenever he brings up issues of iunno, housing, they're going to come back with "maybe the right honourable gentleman could build some houses on his field mhuuuermhuuueermhuuuer". That whole "they think they're so perfect, the hypocrites" angle of attack is a cheap get-out to engaging on anything and it's so tacky and boring. And from our side, yeah OK, it's not great but I figure there are worse things to hang the guy for, honestly. He should've ploughed that thing under and used it to grow veg for distributing to food banks the second the corona thing started if he wanted to get away with owning land right now but materially I'm much more worried about whether or not he's handing the tories softballs and not opposing hard enough, capitulating too much, and allowing some dodgy poo poo to go through unopposed.
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May 18, 2020 00:13
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It's one thing when public schoolboy and london property magnate jeremy corbyn spends his whole life working for good causes, it's another when horse field buyer keir starmer takes his policy cues from the landlord club. Like some people manage to achieve good things despite their disadvantaged start in life.
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May 18, 2020 00:26
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Isomermaid posted:He should've ploughed that thing under and used it to grow veg for distributing to food banks the second the corona thing started if he wanted to get away with owning land right now whatever you do the fash media will find a way to be cunts about it, and it's probably not going to help your man of the people credentials but also nor is being a metropolitan lawyer with a knighthood I imagine they must have other poo poo up their sleeves for closer to an election, but at least for now this is nowhere near as damaging as the terrorism/antisemitism smear campaigns, which did really resonate with the arsehole demographic (aka the great british public)
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May 18, 2020 00:28
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winegums posted:https://twitter.com/JessicaLBarnard/status/1261992466347102214 You know that this isn’t a splinter group, right? Momentum is a democratic organisation and is having an election for its National Coordinating Group. These X Momentum groups are just various slates for the NCG election. No one is setting up their own separate Momentum.
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May 18, 2020 01:15
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SORRY SPEAK UP! CANT HEAR poo poo IN THI...OMG I JUST FARTED AND IT WONT GO AWAY
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May 18, 2020 01:21
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Comrade Fakename posted:You know that this isn’t a splinter group, right? Momentum is a democratic organisation and is having an election for its National Coordinating Group. These X Momentum groups are just various slates for the NCG election. No one is setting up their own separate Momentum. Yeah that's what I was assuming too, though the general gist seems to be "it should be more democratic" so hopefully they don't split their votes too much. Does Lansman still basically own momentum or does it have a proper democratic structure? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 01:37
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XMNN posted:if he'd done it himself he'd have been criticised for spending his time gardening in his massive field while millions are stuck in doors; if he'd paid someone else to do it, he'd have been criticised for having an army of serfs; if he'd sold it, he'd have been criticized for land speculation and owning it in the first place that's the best bit, he's being criticised for the last thing without even doing it "there's no planning permission for this kind of thing, BUT WHAT IF HE BUILT LOADS OF HOUSES" "we spoke to a real estate guy, who has no plans to buy the land, but KNOWS HOW MUCH IT WOULD GO FOR" it's two-for-one his lordship and straight nimbyism, very powerful. they know their niche
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May 18, 2020 01:48
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah that's what I was assuming too, though the general gist seems to be "it should be more democratic" so hopefully they don't split their votes too much. I mean, I literally in the thing you quoted I told you that Momentum is run by an elected NCG, so no Lansman doesn’t “own” Momentum. And in fact just today (yesterday now I guess) he announced he’s not running for an NCG place so he’s going to own Momentum even less soon.
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May 18, 2020 02:02
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Comrade Fakename posted:I mean, I literally in the thing you quoted I told you that Momentum is run by an elected NCG, so no Lansman doesn’t “own” Momentum. I mean that I thought there was a thing where momentum is basically a private company that he personally owned, like that was the legal structure of it. I gather that it has some sort of democratic structure but I wasn't sure whether or not it was underneath his ownership of the organization.
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May 18, 2020 02:10
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OwlFancier posted:I mean that I thought there was a thing where momentum is basically a private company that he personally owned, like that was the legal structure of it. I gather that it has some sort of democratic structure but I wasn't sure whether or not it was underneath his ownership of the organization. he's still one of the directors on companies house but there are no individuals with a major voteshare anymore
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May 18, 2020 02:33
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Yes I looked that up too, so I assume the internal elections would remove him as director then? No risk of him just dissolving the company?
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The secret to Lansman's control of Momentum is not some devious ownership right but the very traditional one of simply running the thing and then having a board that 1) he chairs, that 2) meets only quarterly, and 3) is not predisposed to be hostile anyway. Its glory days may have passed anyway... without Corbyn as a loyalty totem (e.g. during the vicious battle to prevent Remainers from revolting within Momentum itself - despite the only Members' Council, assorted member petitions, etc. across peak #lovecorbynhatebrexit - Lansman could whip Momentum to a line by simply presenting the NCG with a motion that any position Momentum takes will be pre-approved by the Labour leadership and where the Labour leadership will be seen to be leading the campaign. The motion passed. Not much holding Labour to account there), it is hard to see how similar battles could be managed in the future. Unlikely to have the left fall in line so readily for Deputy Leader Rayner. The main existential risk for Momentum is "becomes an ineffectual debating union, membership numbers fall, becomes dominated by one faction, becomes irrelevant in toto". Its main resource is a mailing list - it doesn't have huge funding or vast numbers of loyal volunteers. For a mailing list to be effective it needs to be sending out a broadly agreeable message - any actual internal dissension is fatal as it would entail more energy to fight for control than the resource being controlled would justify.
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