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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/chessmartinez/status/1262365371127955458?s=20

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winegums
Dec 21, 2012


Dr Robert Zands seems to have gotten into some very unsightly debates on twitter with journalists and glinner.

https://twitter.com/DrRobertZands/status/1262286642372661248

https://twitter.com/DrRobertZands/status/1262357434217218051

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out

Jippa posted:

Does anyone have a link to that bit talking about how much the guardian attacked corbyn?

https://theguardian.fivefilters.org/antisemitism/

https://theguardian.fivefilters.org/

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Oh good, Glinner is back on Twitter defending (some) women again.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



I thought Glinner would have hosed up Alex Jones style and forgot to have hidden all the trans porn he watches by now, gotta be soon ... right?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not sure he does anything except post.

Entombed forever in an iron casket with a wifi connection, even in death he still posts.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
His porn watching has been entirely replaced by trawling every nations press for examples of trans people doing a crime.

unrelated
https://twitter.com/exitthelemming/status/1262007092124286980

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Ratjaculation posted:

I thought Glinner would have hosed up Alex Jones style and forgot to have hidden all the trans porn he watches by now, gotta be soon ... right?

I'm about 75% certain it came out that he was trying to hook up with trans women before he lost a testicle and began screaming about chromosomes for several years without pause

google's not helping me out here though and I can't remember more detail.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Guavanaut posted:

His porn watching has been entirely replaced by trawling every nations press for examples of trans people doing a crime.

And let's face it it's probably still serving the same purpose.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Puntification posted:

Lucy Powell is such a loving waste of space.

https://twitter.com/Marro_Nick/status/1262345266243481602?s=19

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1262369597057052675?s=20

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1262398530439782408?s=21

This is an interesting and unusual stance for Starmer to take. He doesn't normally highlight things like this, as far as I've seen.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


God, was that really 11 years ago? Blimey.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Totally unsurprised that the replies are 90% Rotherham, when will you remember the English Keir, 'this is virtue signalling' I signal to my fash mates, and one guy going on a lot about the government of India being fascists, which is a fair point but not really related.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1262085956359852032?s=20

cuuuunt

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Why do they all do the "I have been very clear..." thing before a non-answer? I'm assuming some prick with ridiculous glasses frames at some point has written a book about it and how it's some amazing neurolinguistic programming trick to stop people questioning you.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Why do they all do the "I have been very clear..." thing before a non-answer? I'm assuming some prick with ridiculous glasses frames at some point has written a book about it and how it's some amazing neurolinguistic programming trick to stop people questioning you.

I believe it's called gaslighting

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad


He's looking Grimm alright.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


https://twitter.com/Milo_Edwards/status/1262354183925256192

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Interesting read: press criticism of the government during WW2: seems they weren't as uncritical as those demanding we all go out and get ourselves infected in the name of the economy seem to think.

questia.com/library/journal/1P3-10996290/press-freedom-in-britain-during-world-war-ii

quote:


Article excerpt (there is a fuller article but you have to register to read it)

The Daily Mirror, a tabloid newspaper published in London, was a favorite with the working classes and rank and file troops in the British armed forces during World War II. It was less popular with Prime Minister Winston Churchill and his government. Irreverent and brash, the Daily Mirror attacked Churchill for retaining some of the old politicians in his wartime cabinet, and the army for being staffed with incompetent "brass hats." When the generals complained to the war office that the paper's campaigns were undermining morale among the troops, the office passed on the criticism to the cabinet. Churchill demanded an inquiry. Who owned the Mirror? he asked, and preposterous as it now seems, legend has it that government investigators examined the list of shareholders to determine if it included Goebbels, Himmler, Hess, or even Hitler.

Whatever hackles the Daily Mirror raised, it managed to avoid censorship during the war, but other newspapers were not so fortunate in spite of the fact that the press in Britain has long been one of the freest and most vigorous in the world. During World War I, several papers were temporarily suppressed while others were censored. Even the venerable The Times incurred a prosecution under the Defense of the Realm Act (DORA). Otherwise the British press operated more or less normally under voluntary censorship guidelines.2 When war engulfed Europe in 1939, the government again turned to a system of voluntary censorship.

In May 1940, Churchill's government proposed broad regulations on the press. The matter was taken up by the Home Policy Committee which agreed that before any action was begun it would meet and consult with representative M.P.'s. Out of this emerged Defense Regulation 2C which allowed the government to bar any material calculated to foment opposition to the war. The mechanism was simple: the Home Secretary would warn perceived violators; if this warning was ignored, he could prosecute in the courts and, if successful, shut down publication. A month later, another restriction on the press, Defense Regulation 2D, gave the Home Secretary the power to suppress any newspaper that systematically aroused such opposition. Churchill's cabinet approved 2D without consultation with Members of Parliament.3

Regulation 2D was issued in June 1940 when invasion seemed imminent, and it was soon used against two left-wing publications, The Week and the Daily Worker. In addition, the Daily Mirror and the Sunday Pictorial felt the pressure of the government and received warnings; both barely managed to avoid being banned. The actions against the newspapers touched off a debate in the country which revolved around two fundamental questions: How much press freedom can or should a democratic society provide for its people when it is engaged in a struggle for its survival? If basic freedoms are scaled back, will the cause for which the country is fighting be undermined?

As Britain fought on in the spring and summer of 1940, government concern about press criticism increased. Bothered by the Daily Worker's attacks on the government, Home Secretary Sir John Anderson called for special powers to deal with dissident newspapers, which he described as subversive.4 A few days later, Lord President of the Council Neville Chamberlain complained about the Evening Standard's printing of secret military information concerning targets for enemy bombing, and the government asked M.P.'s not to raise questions in Parliament which conveyed such information to the enemy.5 War Minister Anthony Eden criticized the press for carrying out what he called "inquests," which encouraged doubts about British strength.6 The government was so concerned that it set up a committee to consider compulsory press censorship.7 However, this committee never functioned. Because the British press as a whole supported the war, the voluntary system was considered sufficient to prevent publication of secret military information. …

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Why do they all do the "I have been very clear..." thing before a non-answer? I'm assuming some prick with ridiculous glasses frames at some point has written a book about it and how it's some amazing neurolinguistic programming trick to stop people questioning you.

These strikes are wrong at a time when negotiations are still going on, but parents and the public have been let down by both sides because the Government has acted in a reckless and provocative manner...

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/1262085956359852032?s=20

Further to:

XMNN posted:

cuuuunt

"Your Country Needs You" was from a different war and was actually changed halfway through because it wasn't clear or impactful enough (I can't remember whether 'Needs You' was the first or altered version, though).

There were widespread information campaigns detailing exactly what the sirens meant and what you were meant to do in response to them, not to mention literal armies of ARP Wardens to make sure people stuck to the rules.

Vegetarians and others with special dietary requirements or beliefs had specialised ration books accounting for their needs.

There was continual criticism and questioning of the government and military's response to air raids and their prevention [this applies to pretty much everything in WW2 - people moaned and criticised almost everything, to anyone they could, at almost any and every level].

Six years of being required to wear dull military uniforms (especially caps and hats) had a huge pushback as soon as materials and income became available post-war. The decline in hat-wearing in public was investigated by hat-makers in the 1940s/50s and the most consistent response was "I spent six years being bawled at to wear a hat properly so I'm damned if I'll choose to wear one now without good reason."

The shortage of Spitfires in 1940 was a significant scandal, was subject to numerous investigations and ended up with the big Spitfire plant at Castle Bromwich being taken over by the government, having its horrendous labour problems sorted out and then a hand-picked management team installed.

Or:

https://twitter.com/tom_usher_/status/1262313190387363841

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Many public air raid shelters had unisex bathrooms too (because they were normally hastily-assembled earth closets).

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Why do they all do the "I have been very clear..." thing before a non-answer? I'm assuming some prick with ridiculous glasses frames at some point has written a book about it and how it's some amazing neurolinguistic programming trick to stop people questioning you.

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1266

it's a kind of minister-ese. Aside from the comments on that page, the construction also does speak directly to how politicians learn public speaking, specifically how to present an agreed message with its intended agreed focus - usually meaning multiple things to multiple audiences - and not being baited into highlighting potentially different interpretations, or be baited into publicly agreeing (or denying) that the message could be rephrased equivalently in a much more hostile way. Namely: doggedly returning to "Our position is X" over and over again. The rest is just patter... We believe that X. We are clear that X. We have always been clear that X. As we have said before, X.

Journo: do you mean that Y? Our position is X. Wouldn't you agree that X is the same as Y? I have been very clear that X.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...


At least people are calling him out on it.


https://twitter.com/daraobriain/status/1262363091611852805?s=21

There was another great tweet from this morning of a Historian giving multiple examples of how Lord Ashcroft was wrong, but sadly I can’t find that.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
Apparently the Scottish government are looking to ease the lockdown by the 28th of this month?

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

As someone noted here the last time it came up, the Scottish Government's power to actually diverge from what Westminster wants is very limited, so they do a lot of presenting what they're being forced to do as considered decisions.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
My local garage opened today. Are mot's still pushed back by 6 months? I'm guessing I won't even be able to get a booking for ages.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1262429409186848770?s=19

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
feel like this image could be quite useful over the next few years

https://twitter.com/dseddon91/status/1262434779489873923?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


XMNN posted:

feel like this image could be quite useful over the next few years

https://twitter.com/dseddon91/status/1262434779489873923?s=20

Ah, Yvette Cooper. A reminder that as poo poo as Keir is it could always be worse.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.



So glad the grown ups are back in charge so we can do away with all this silly opposition for opposition's sake.

sebzilla fucked around with this message at 18:39 on May 18, 2020

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

forkboy84 posted:

Ah, Yvette Cooper. A reminder that as poo poo as Keir is it could always be worse.
As shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper refused to call for an investigation into rape and abuse at detention centres, where people can be kept indefinitely despite being convicted of no crime, because she did not want to look soft on crime.

I don't know how you even get into that mindset.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
she's a fascist op

e: she's the very definition of "legitimate concerns about immigration" at least

XMNN fucked around with this message at 18:47 on May 18, 2020

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

XMNN posted:

she's a fascist op

At least partially this.

Guavanaut posted:

As shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper refused to call for an investigation into rape and abuse at detention centres, where people can be kept indefinitely despite being convicted of no crime, because she did not want to look soft on crime.

I don't know how you even get into that mindset.

It's because the appearance of things is all that matters. The suffering you see and experience? Unless it is happening to me it is not real and I also do not care. It's the worst form of solipsism.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/theipaper/status/1262109353575882763?s=21

lol, whoops.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.



I'm gonna be pretty annoyed if Johnson actually manages to gently caress this up hard enough to let bland centrism be an appealing alternative.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
20000 NEU members on a zoom call!

https://twitter.com/NEUnion/status/1262437167722385410?s=20

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Guavanaut posted:

As shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper refused to call for an investigation into rape and abuse at detention centres, where people can be kept indefinitely despite being convicted of no crime, because she did not want to look soft on crime.

I don't know how you even get into that mindset.

Got a link or source for that?

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Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Cerv posted:

do what exactly? the tweet's already deleted. what's he going to get out of suing? a very small payout. it's not like Dorries can get chucked in jail or forced out of parliament over it.

I get what you're saying, and granted it's entirely possible a sensible political analysis was made and decided it's not worth the bother, but I feel like getting it on record as a matter of law that Dorries committed libel would be both morally good and have at least some potential to be politically effective. (But we're getting into Gay Black Labour territory by imagining that not only is the case pursued but effective hay is made out of it, so maybe Sir Keir just decided not to bother in the first place lest he fall at a later hurdle)


This is what the 1970s thought today would look like.

sebzilla posted:

I'm gonna be pretty annoyed if Johnson actually manages to gently caress this up hard enough to let bland centrism be an appealing alternative.

It's galling as all gently caress, aye. But I'll still take bland Starmerism (NOT Stürmerism do NOT get them confused!!) over the current Hell Tories for sure.

I'm going to spend the rest of my days mourning 2019 though, Corbyn would have handled this crisis so much more sensibly and competently it's hard to even comprehend.

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