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Military "restore order" after Corbyn resigns following scandal over 5000 virus deaths in the UK.
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May 18, 2020 19:23
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Communist Thoughts posted:Military "restore order" after Corbyn resigns following scandal over 5000 virus deaths in the UK. This is what I think would have happened (or something like it).
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May 18, 2020 19:24
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Ms Adequate posted:This is what the 1970s thought today would look like. 
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May 18, 2020 19:25
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Ms Adequate posted:I get what you're saying, and granted it's entirely possible a sensible political analysis was made and decided it's not worth the bother, but I feel like getting it on record as a matter of law that Dorries committed libel would be both morally good and have at least some potential to be politically effective. (But we're getting into Gay Black Labour territory by imagining that not only is the case pursued but effective hay is made out of it, so maybe Sir Keir just decided not to bother in the first place lest he fall at a later hurdle) I suspect that the weight of "we're in the middle of the greatest national crisis in a generation" has weighed into it. not wanting to be seen as time wasting. aren't they just voting on the first reading? parliamentary procedure is boring but at this point it's a vote on whether to proceed to further stages, not to pass into law. so if you want any chance to amend it in the commons / lords you have to proceed. which is why it's common for the opposition not to vote against at this stage. if they agree there is a need for "a bill" rather than specifically the government's preferred bill. and given that Brexit has happened and torn up the current immigration system we do need an immigration bill. Labour will be (futilely) voting against at the 3rd reading, unless by some miracle 80 odd Tory rebels join in on amendments to bin the salary threshold, etc.
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May 18, 2020 19:28
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XMNN posted:she's a fascist op It's like saying you gave Jimmy Savile the keys to that hospital because you're very concerned about children's health. sebzilla posted:Got a link or source for that? It looks like she changed her view on that a bit during the Corbyn era, but I can't track down the original.
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May 18, 2020 19:39
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Just been reading about Jamie's Dream School (following a twitter rabbit hole). In 2011 Jamie Oliver set up a school for disaffected teens and the 'teachers' were people who knew their stuff (apparently): Teachers Head Teacher: John D'Abbro, OBE Art: Rolf Harris Cooking: Jamie Oliver OBE Cricket: Michael Vaughan OBE Diving: Daley Thompson CBE English: Simon Callow CBE History: Dr David Starkey CBE Latin: Prof. Dame Mary Beard DBE Law (Human Rights): Cherie Blair, CBE Maths: Alvin Hall Music: Jazzie B, OBE Photography: Rankin Poetry: Sir Andrew Motion Politics: Alastair Campbell Sailing: Dame Ellen MacArthur DBE Science (Biology): Prof. Lord Winston Science (Environment): Jane Poynter And this review in the Graun: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/mar/07/jamies-dream-school-teacher-verdicts Particularly: quote:
That aged well!
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May 18, 2020 20:24
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Yvette Cooper is dreadful. Just a racist oval office through and through.
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May 18, 2020 20:24
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Guavanaut posted:She is, but I've no idea how you get to the point of not wanting to demand tough action on rape (a crime) because you're scared of looking soft on crime. Well, the... I won't use the word 'logic' but the thinking is, I suppose, that people in
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May 18, 2020 20:33
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The whole logic about indefinite detention is so hosed up in the first place. As is banning asylum seekers from working and then blaming them for being a drain on resources.Jaeluni Asjil posted:Law (Human Rights): Cherie Blair, CBE Also no chemistry teacher. Was Andrew Szydlo busy?
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May 18, 2020 20:37
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Guavanaut posted:The whole logic about indefinite detention is so hosed up in the first place. As is banning asylum seekers from working and then blaming them for being a drain on resources. There's logic behind indefinite detention beyond 'nobody with any power cares about you lol'?
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May 18, 2020 20:39
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It's hosed up that there seems to be a huge swathe of human rights lawyers who got into it to argue humans have no rights.
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May 18, 2020 20:41
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's hosed up that there seems to be a huge swathe of human rights lawyers who got into it to argue humans have no rights. For ~~Balance~~
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May 18, 2020 20:44
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Landlord posted notice that we have to move out within 3 months through our letterbox. We’re still on horrific ITU rotas where we almost never have days off together, and it’s impossible (and possibly illegal??) to actually arrange a viewing of a flat anyway. Thank you for coming to my livejournal reading, Increasingly radicalised of manchester
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May 18, 2020 21:01
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Cerv posted:you can argue one way or the other on if it'd be worth the bother. I can't pretend I'd know for sure which is correct without a crystal ball. you really will defend loving anything by centrist shits won't you https://twitter.com/Lokinash06/status/1262455606436388866?s=20
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May 18, 2020 21:04
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/18/keir-starmer-can-make-mark-labour-leader-taking-teachers-unions/ Just nakedly pushing the party right now.
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May 18, 2020 21:05
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Cerv posted:aren't they just voting on the first reading? parliamentary procedure is boring but at this point it's a vote on whether to proceed to further stages, not to pass into law. Nope, it's the second reading today. (source) Vitamin P posted:If he blew up at you for making a joke that's disgusting, if you don't feel safe to insult a dogshit politician with your partner then your partner is dogshit. This is a little bit of an overreaction. Cerv posted:The whips office have severely bollocked Dorries, Caulfield & Allan over exactly that point. I know this used to be a big deal, but in the modern post-truth Tory party I was imaging it was just a "chortle, chortle, what a jape, don't do it again". Prince John fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 21:11
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Haven't seen it posted but maybe it's old news. Jon Lansman, Momentum Chair, has stepped down. People on the Momentum mailing list should have received an email an hour ago.
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May 18, 2020 21:13
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's hosed up that there seems to be a huge swathe of human rights lawyers who got into it to argue humans have no rights. oh no gonzo what have they done to you lol
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May 18, 2020 21:16
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Guavanaut posted:The whole logic about indefinite detention is so hosed up in the first place. As is banning asylum seekers from working and then blaming them for being a drain on resources. Made me start. He was my chemistry teacher from 13 to 18, and I was his assistant for quite a few of his lectures. Amazing dude, taught me far too much about things that probably aren't wise. Friday chemistry club was a literal bomb making factory where I'd direct 15 year olds in the making of large quantities of guncotton.
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May 18, 2020 21:17
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Juche Couture posted:Landlord posted notice that we have to move out within 3 months through our letterbox. We’re still on horrific ITU rotas where we almost never have days off together, and it’s impossible (and possibly illegal??) to actually arrange a viewing of a flat anyway. I think that you can tell him to shove it where the sun shineth not to be quite frank. I might not be a lawyer, but the idea that "it's passed now, please leave" is horseshit. Also, I posted this in the discord, but thought it would be good to post it here: Would anyone be interested in playing a Night Black Agents game? It is a horror/spy story taking place in the modern world. The PC's are spies, they can range from the John LeCarre "businessman whose business is espionage" all the way up to James Bond, with all points in between. The main goal of the game is your characters either stumbling upon, or being stumbled upon, by vampires. These too range from the Dracula stereotype all the way to psychic monsters. If folks are interested I am looking for between 3-5 people to play, preferably every Wednesday from 6 till about 10/11 (BST at the moment) For session 0, a decision needs to be made as to what sort of game folks want to take part in, be it a thriller with lots of henchmen to beat up and guns to shoot, or whether violence does not come often, and is always scary when it breaks out. Please contact me either here or in PM's. Thank you!
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May 18, 2020 21:19
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CoolCab posted:oh no gonzo what have they done to you lol
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May 18, 2020 21:20
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Camrath posted:Made me start. He was my chemistry teacher from 13 to 18, and I was his assistant for quite a few of his lectures.
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May 18, 2020 21:28
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Juche Couture posted:Landlord posted notice that we have to move out within 3 months through our letterbox. We’re still on horrific ITU rotas where we almost never have days off together, and it’s impossible (and possibly illegal??) to actually arrange a viewing of a flat anyway. ACORN has a pretty large Manchester branch, contact them. There may not be a huge amount of legal protection to offer depending on the notice period given and contracts but if your landlord is a company then they can help do some major reputational damage to try and keep you there.
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May 18, 2020 21:32
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Juche Couture posted:Landlord posted notice that we have to move out within 3 months through our letterbox. We’re still on horrific ITU rotas where we almost never have days off together, and it’s impossible (and possibly illegal??) to actually arrange a viewing of a flat anyway. Did he give a reason?
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May 18, 2020 21:34
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Communist Thoughts posted:Military "restore order" after Corbyn resigns following scandal over 5000 virus deaths in the UK. 5000 virus deaths should be considered a scandal tbqh. Most of Europe's numbers infection and death figures are shocking if you compare them with countries that are right next to China, or even China itself. People have been praising Germany's response, but Germany has over 8000 deaths and there isn't a country in East Asia that approaches that.
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May 18, 2020 21:38
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big scary monsters posted:5000 virus deaths should be considered a scandal tbqh. Most of Europe's numbers infection and death figures are shocking if you compare them with countries that are right next to China, or even China itself. People have been praising Germany's response, but Germany has over 8000 deaths and there isn't a country in East Asia that approaches that. China's numbers aren't trustworthy.
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May 18, 2020 21:40
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Guavanaut posted:That's great stuff, I love his lectures. He really is the same in person as his public persona. He introduced himself to us at the start of senior school by smacking a load of white phosphorous mixed with potassium chlorate with a hammer. Left us all with ringing ears. And one of the last things I did before starting Study Leave for my A-levels was helping him blow up every chemistry lab in the science block with a shitload of balloons full of Hydrogen and Oxygen, about three kilos of flash powder as an igniter and a potassium permanganate fuse. The whole top level of the building was pouring white smoke from every window following an actinic white flash and series of thunderous bangs. Our despised headmaster pretty much poo poo himself, as he happened to be in the quad when it all went off.. This was pre-9/11. I doubt it would have flown today. I've posted this story before elsewhere here, but here you go. I very much became his protege, and we went all around the country doing lectures at schools and colleges with me as his assistant (my official job title was ‘Igor’). One time in particular we were going to a school about a hundred miles away from home. We went in one of his many clapped out Triumph Heralds (I had to hold the door closed down the motorway), and I had a 25l cask of liquid nitrogen between my knees, a kilo of gun cotton on my lap and on top of that about thirty grams of nitrogen triiodide. That stuff takes about 2 hours to fully cure, and then is touch sensitive. Of course, we got stuck in traffic. On arriving at the school two hours and ten minutes later I was instructed to yeet the triiodide out of the window. It blew a significant chunk out of a nearby rose bush, and if we’d hit a pothole on the way in I’d have been both history and geography..
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May 18, 2020 21:41
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Gort posted:China's numbers aren't trustworthy.
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May 18, 2020 21:41
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Camrath posted:He really is the same in person as his public persona. He introduced himself to us at the start of senior school by smacking a load of white phosphorous mixed with potassium chlorate with a hammer. Left us all with ringing ears. And one of the last things I did before starting Study Leave for my A-levels was helping him blow up every chemistry lab in the science block with a shitload of balloons full of Hydrogen and Oxygen, about three kilos of flash powder as an igniter and a potassium permanganate fuse. The whole top level of the building was pouring white smoke from every window following an actinic white flash and series of thunderous bangs. Our despised headmaster pretty much poo poo himself, as he happened to be in the quad when it all went off.. This was pre-9/11. I doubt it would have flown today. What a great anecdote 
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May 18, 2020 21:44
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Can't believe all the asian countries faked their stats to make the west look bad 
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May 18, 2020 21:44
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It seems like only a small number of countries have completed their first wave, while we can assess the quality of a countries response to theirs we're a long way off from comparing final casualties. Any country can bungle their second wave.
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May 18, 2020 21:47
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big scary monsters posted:What makes you trust them less than Germany's? Do you mistrust all of Asia the same? I didn't say either of these things.
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May 18, 2020 21:48
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Gort posted:I didn't say either of these things. e: To be clear, I'm quite prepared to believe that China are underreporting deaths, we know plenty of other countries are. But I'm not really interested in arguing the exact number of Chinese deaths - the point is that unless the real figures are an order of magnitude or two higher than the reported ones across most of Asia, it seems like the larger Western countries should really be doing a lot better. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 21:55 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 21:51
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Dictatorships actively engaged in commiting genocide, re-education camps and black hole prisons are very trustworthy sources when it comes to deaths from a virus .
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May 18, 2020 21:57
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big scary monsters posted:Were you leading into a specific point, or was it just a general observation on China's untrustworthy nature? We both agree that the figures are likely to be inaccurate, so it's not worth using them as a starting point for a thought process. It's not useful to try and second-guess to what exact degree the books are cooked.
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May 18, 2020 22:01
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Juche Couture posted:Landlord posted notice that we have to move out within 3 months through our letterbox. We’re still on horrific ITU rotas where we almost never have days off together, and it’s impossible (and possibly illegal??) to actually arrange a viewing of a flat anyway. Just because you have been given notice does not compel you to leave on the last day of the third month. To get you out, the landlord will need to apply to the court (and there's a massive backlog), get a court order if they have filled in the paperwork properly, then arrange for bailiffs after that. Even if all goes well for the landlord, you can still legitimately be in that place this time next year.
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May 18, 2020 22:02
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I'm glad that while Pissflaps is long gone his spirit still remains.
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May 18, 2020 22:11
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big scary monsters posted:What makes you trust them less than Germany's? Do you mistrust all of Asia the same? If any of the figures are even in the ballpark, Europe is in the main doing shockingly poorly. In april, Jarkarta had reported 381 Corona deaths, but had over 3300 excess deaths, and there was a province in Equador that had few reported Corona deaths, but over 10k excess deaths. One reason Europe have reported more cases is that we have the resources to do checks on deceased, while poorer country has to save those for the living. And I find it hard to believe that countries as Russia and Turkey, which have reported several times more cases than China, still have fewer deaths.
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May 18, 2020 22:11
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big scary monsters posted:What makes you trust them less than Germany's? Do you mistrust all of Asia the same? If any of the figures are even in the ballpark, Europe is in the main doing shockingly poorly. Germany is not actively, presently conducting a genocide, to the best of my knowledge. That tends to throw a country's death reporting off, both locally and nationally. For the same reason, I would not trust India's numbers too much, especially in Muslim-heavy areas.
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May 18, 2020 22:13
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ronya posted:Standard therapy advice for political differences in marriage is to think carefully whether you, personally, place shared political participation or discussion or consumption (e.g. reading social media) amongst the things which bring you self-fulfilment. For many people, the answer is no; we just do it because it's there, and we're comfortable living without it. If the worst thing in your marriage is that you must keep your sage insights on twitter's latest to yourself, then your marriage is honestly a great one. Otoh our political opinions, however outspoken we are and whether or not we tie them to specific parties or figures or ideologies, are the distillation of our entire value systems and worldviews and reflect on who we are as people perhaps more than anything else. I'd venture to say that there's at least a minimum level of compatibility necessary when picking a long-term partner if you want a healthy and fulfilling relationship. For what it's worth, I could absolutely not stay with my girlfriend if she started diverging significantly away from me politically, which a lurch to tepid centrism would definitely qualify as, and I would neither expect nor want her to stay with me were the roles reversed. This isn't to say I'd expect a partner to be 100% politically aligned with me, but I would expect us to be broadly in agreement on the Correct direction of travel. I'd also say that one party being a giant baby and refusing to discuss in good faith or otherwise explain their reasoning for - in this case - plumping for Starmer reflects very poorly, especially if you've previously enjoyed debating one another on political issues throughout the relationship.
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May 18, 2020 22:20
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