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Memento posted:The other issue with that is that Al Pacino took the wrong lesson away from winning for Scent of a Woman. He didn't think "this is recognition for a lifetime of excellent, understated, intense performances", he thought "I should yell HOO AHH and chew scenery a lot more". Not saying he didn't do that before SoaW, but he sure did it a hell of a lot more afterwards. Oh poo poo that explains a lot, I never pieced that together.
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BioEnchanted posted:I've got around to continuing watching Breaking Bad, currently onto season 4 (I watched the first two seasons years ago then kind of stopped caring, just figured I'd pick back up this year) and I like the triple-meaning of the title of the season 4 episode Open House - there is the obvious meaning of Marie crashing open houses with a made-up story to steal random poo poo, a real-estate metaphor due to Skyler forcing the purchase of the Car Wash to go through, and Jesse throwing his house open to all manner of lowlives to throw an endless party to distract himself as an unhealthy coping mechanism. I thought that that was clever. Although I already miss Crystallography Nerd Hank I just put together that Walter's old partner that he gives his nest egg to is Elliot Schwartz, which is German for black. White and Schwartz founded Grey Matter Industries. Neat.
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Memento posted:The other issue with that is that Al Pacino took the wrong lesson away from winning for Scent of a Woman. He didn't think "this is recognition for a lifetime of excellent, understated, intense performances", he thought "I should yell HOO AHH and chew scenery a lot more". Not saying he didn't do that before SoaW, but he sure did it a hell of a lot more afterwards. I just think he enjoys chewing the scenery more. I think he just said 'gently caress it' and I can't say I blame him.
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I just put together that Walter's old partner that he gives his nest egg to is Elliot Schwartz, which is German for black. White and Schwartz founded Grey Matter Industries. Neat. At some point they spell that out.
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Henchman of Santa posted:At some point they spell that out. I'll just gently caress off to the idiot corner then.
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I'll just gently caress off to the idiot corner then. It's okay because again, page 1 of this thread has someone posting about Inceptions ending
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The Ape of Naples posted:I just think he enjoys chewing the scenery more. I think he just said 'gently caress it' and I can't say I blame him. It’s worth it for the rear end scene in Heat.
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Pacino chewing scenery reaches its apogee in The Devil's Advocate. He's like an industrial scenery chewing machine in that movie.
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Torquemada posted:It’s worth it for the rear end scene in Heat. His schtick works in Heat because he's obsessed with his job as a robbery/homicide detective, on his fourth marriage, and a cokehead.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Pacino chewing scenery reaches its apogee in The Devil's Advocate. He's like an industrial scenery chewing machine in that movie. And the film is so much the better for it.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:His schtick works in Heat because he's obsessed with his job as a robbery/homicide detective, on his fourth marriage, and a cokehead. Yeah. OP made it seem like it's a bad thing, but his bombastic outbursts in Heat are half of what makes that movie so great. "Gimme all ya got!!"
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Pope Corky the IX posted:His schtick works in Heat because he's obsessed with his job as a robbery/homicide detective, on his fourth marriage, and a cokehead. Eh, I thought his performance in Heat was awful. Each scene, even down to the line, he seemed to be trying out a different character.
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lord funk posted:Eh, I thought his performance in Heat was awful. Each scene, even down to the line, he seemed to be trying out a different character. Did you fall in love last night? Just tell me that, I'll buy that.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:His schtick works in Heat because he's obsessed with his job as a robbery/homicide detective, on his fourth marriage, and a cokehead. He’s on the downslope of a marriage, his third, because he spends all his time chasing guys like Macauley around the block. lord funk posted:Eh, I thought his performance in Heat was awful. Each scene, even down to the line, he seemed to be trying out a different character. Hanna was explicitly a coke addict in the shooting script, but they removed all reference to it afterwards, which is one of the reasons he’s all over the place.
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Pacino definitely started doing the big over the top Pacino persona pretty often after Scent of a Woman but looking at his filmography is weird. It definitely seems to be a conscious switch that he would flip because you have periods of time like 1997-1999 where all in a row he does Donnie Brasco(pretty quiet and understated), The Devil's Advocate(the most Pacino has ever Pacinoed), The Insider(another more reserved performance), Any Given Sunday(back to crazy Pacino), and Insomnia(another quiet one). So it almost feels like he was swapping back and forth and trying to do a bit of both. It's crazy how his career fell off a cliff though. He does The Recruit in 2003 and he's one of the main leads alongside Colin Farrell. You could argue he doesn't have another significant role after that until recently with The Irishman. He was a minor character in Oceans 13 but that's about it.
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How quickly we forget Gigli and Jack & Jill.
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Pacino is a little hammy in his brief part in Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood but I figured it was to play into a Hollywood producer archtype.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Pacino is a little hammy in his brief part in Once Upon a Time... In Hollywood but I figured it was to play into a Hollywood producer archtype. Ugh, he took me right out of the movie in that scene. Even Kurt Russell blended in better, but when he showed up, it was like "okay, time to watch Al Pacino ham it up for a few minutes!"
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What does it mean to chew the scenery?
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It means this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S73swRzxs8Y
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freeedr posted:What does it mean to chew the scenery? It means you're so over the top and ridiculous that you overwhelm everything else in the scene. The set, the costumes, the lighting, the cinematography, none of it matters because it all gets sucked into the black hole that is your performance. In low budget stuff it's often a good thing, because those other elements probably weren't that good anyway.
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It can be positive or negative. For example when it's said about Nicholas Cage, yes.
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Said to have originated with a shakespearean actor who overacted so hard he actually bit into the set dressing and left teeth marks
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If you want some good recent-ish subdued Pacino, I wholeheartedly recommend 2015's Danny Collins. I went into it extremely prejudiced and ready for it to be terrible beyond belief but it's actually a very sweet little movie that avoids cliches and has some good acting. Perfect for a hungover afternoon or an evening with older parents.
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freeedr posted:What does it mean to chew the scenery? Please refer to this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
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RandomFerret posted:It means this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1XCUo_Uu8M
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Torquemada posted:It’s worth it for the rear end scene in Heat. I always like that his mouth starts to say "BIG", but he corrects himself to "GREAT rear end!"
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Krispy Wafer posted:Hot Fuzz is a treasure. I kind of wish I never watched one of those YouTube videos on all the hidden stuff because up until then I'd find something new every time I watched it. The problem with World's End is that at the start of Shaun of the Dead the main character's 'bar plan' ends up summarising the plot of the movie, and there were a bunch of clickbait articles and forum posts about it. So World's End does the same thing but calls even more attention to it and makes it very obvious, which actually makes it much less funny.
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bewilderment posted:The problem with World's End is that at the start of Shaun of the Dead the main character's 'bar plan' ends up summarising the plot of the movie, and there were a bunch of clickbait articles and forum posts about it. That doesn't mean The World's End lacks little things, they're just in different places. Gary King is also probably the best developed character in any of the three movies.
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The thing about World's End is that while it's got a lot of funny moments it's not actually a comedy in the sense that Shaun and Hot Fuzz were "zombie movie but comedy" and "police movie but comedy", and becomes less and less so the older it gets (and also the older you get watching it). And in particular Gary's speech at the end about how humans will always want to be stupid and irresponsible and have fun that directly drops humanity into a postapocalyptic dark age has taken on a decidedly sobering tone here in May 2020. ===== I'm finally watching Too Old To Die Young and it extremely fits my sense of humour that in episode 5 Nicolas Winding Refn deliberately sabotages the kind of car chase scene the audience expect from Nicolas Winding Refn by having two characters silently fight over the radio, switching between a moody retro 80s tune and Barry Manilow's Mandy, and then making the chase scene extra moody and avant garde after they've settled on Mandy.
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bewilderment posted:The problem with World's End is that at the start of Shaun of the Dead the main character's 'bar plan' ends up summarising the plot of the movie, and there were a bunch of clickbait articles and forum posts about it. Hot Fuzz does it too, all the questions Danny asks Angel are what he ends up doing in the final gunfight.
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bewilderment posted:So World's End does the same thing but calls even more attention to it and makes it very obvious, which actually makes it much less funny. narp
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bewilderment posted:The problem with World's End is that at the start of Shaun of the Dead the main character's 'bar plan' ends up summarising the plot of the movie, and there were a bunch of clickbait articles and forum posts about it. There were forum posts, but clickbait culture wasn't really a thing in 2004.
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MichiganCubbie posted:There were forum posts, but clickbait culture wasn't really a thing in 2004. I think they were saying that the worlds end bar plan had a bunch of clickbait articles and forums posts.
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I've just finished Breaking Bad and El Camino and I'm now onto episode 4 of Better Call Saul. Franchise-wide thoughts so spoilers for every part of it: I like that Walt, Jesse and Saul/Jimmy have parallel character arcs related to the criminal world - Saul starts off just like Jesse, a useless pothead who pulls dumb scams for a quick buck and constantly gets in legal trouble, his family growing increasingly sick of his poo poo. However, Saul and Jesse both grow smarter but in different directions. Saul learns how to abuse the legal system to get what he wants out of it, while Jesse grows more aware of who he actually is, initially taking being a useless idiot in stride and resisting any attempts to change but admitting over the course of the series to himself that he is a good person who made dumb decisions and by the end is doing anything he can to get out of the terrible life he's got trapped in. And both characters grow increasingly concerned and afraid of just how off-the-rails Walter is getting to the point where their lives have completely fallen apart due to him and they have severed from him completely, finally finding a sense of stability after being erased - Saul resents his new life though, missing being someone while stuck managing a cinnabon, and Jesse revels in it as he rides into the alaskan sunset. And all the while Jesse is getting better and Saul is growing out of Walt, Walt is only getting worse. Also there is a neat parallel between Walter/Heisenberg's arc and the Strange Case of Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde. Both are mild mannered chemists who grow frustrated with aspects of their lives and create a signature concoction that is intended initially to get them some kind of security but only ends up creating a monstrous alter ego, by the end of both stories, there is no Jeckyll or Walter anymore, as both have been completely subsumed by Heisenberg and Hyde, eventually leading to their self-inflicted demises.
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Hydesenberg.
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dr jekyll and mr hyde is definitely one of those perennial masterpieces that will always be relevant, along with frankenstein and a connecticut yankee in king arthurs court
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scary ghost dog posted:a connecticut yankee in king arthurs court The first isekai
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scary ghost dog posted:dr jekyll and mr hyde is definitely one of those perennial masterpieces that will always be relevant, along with frankenstein and Weekend at Bernies II FTFY
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