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https://twitter.com/PVandenHoute/status/1258735922977398785 that's some very clear language on the part of the ECJ. Of course, it really depends on where the Bundesbank decides its priorities lie
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# ? May 8, 2020 23:24 |
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# ? May 24, 2024 15:28 |
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Wouldn't it be a very dangerous precedent if each country could rule itself on how the EU and the Euro works ? Next thing you know the Italian counterpart of the Bundesbank is printing money directly and giving it to their government, and it's all legal because the Italian Verfassungsgericht said so.
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# ? May 14, 2020 15:17 |
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It would also be a bad thing if EU institutions could themselves declare whether or not they are acting within ultra vires, because that would undermine the whole concept of the Member States being the ones to decide which competencies they transfer to the EU. Not that it really matters, because this is a thing that will ultimately get decided by the politicians and not by the courts. Because it is not like the German constitutional court can realistically enforce its own decision against the German institutions.
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# ? May 14, 2020 16:18 |
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Can I have an update on Italy two weeks after the lockdown has been loosened? Are cases spiking again?
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# ? May 14, 2020 17:28 |
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Cases aren't, but deaths are rising again, as of today. This is speculation on my part, but it is likely due to Lombardy, the worst-hit region, deliberately reducing the number of tests and as a matter of regional policy making it extraordinarily difficult to be tested in case symptoms are showing, while preferring to re-test a larger proportion of on the way to fully healed cases in order to emphasise the number of recoveries and negative tests.
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# ? May 14, 2020 17:47 |
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About 800 new cases a day as of a couple days ago, no huge spikes as far as I'm aware. e: ^^^ gently caress, that's not very encouraging.
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# ? May 14, 2020 17:48 |
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Randler posted:It would also be a bad thing if EU institutions could themselves declare whether or not they are acting within ultra vires, because that would undermine the whole concept of the Member States being the ones to decide which competencies they transfer to the EU.
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# ? May 14, 2020 19:35 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The EU could just claim the member state already transfered that competency at some earlier point. Actually the competences thing is pretty deeply embedded within what passes for foundational documents of the EU. The issue is they are massively broad, as in, literally, not joking, "freedom". Hence the obsession with EU freedoms, one would assume. edit: Or more specifically: quote:The EU has only the competences conferred on it by the Treaties (principle of conferral). Under this principle, the EU may only act within the limits of the competences conferred upon it by the EU countries in the Treaties to attain the objectives provided therein. Competences not conferred upon the EU in the Treaties remain with the EU countries. The Treaty of Lisbon clarifies the division of competences between the EU and EU countries. These competences are divided into 3 main categories: Really the big limit on everything is the budget rather than competences as such, particularly for 1. and 2., where 2. is a lot like 1. except countries can legislate where the EU chooses not to (for 1. they can't legislate at all). For 3. the EU can't create policy independent of the member states as such, but still can make binding laws as long as it's not wholly independent of national policies and they do not mandate policy harmonisation. Even then the 3. isn't really limited in absolute, see e.g. the strong push towards harmonisation of higher education, which would at a glance run contrary to the prohibition of harmonisation of education. Harmonisation just can't be mandated but being 'encouraged' is apparently fine. Also to be clear, EU legislation is superior and binding for all competences. Rather the EU is limited in what form the legislation can have for the ones in group 3, and group 1 is exclusively administered by the EU. Oh and it's the EU courts who ultimately interprets the treaties, countries can decide on their own that some legislation or decision is invalid but if they do not follow it then they are subject to CJEU judgements and fines. Which happens all the time. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 15, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/BJMbraun/status/1261745638775107586
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# ? May 16, 2020 23:27 |
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Hmm, and here I was thinking that some inflation is good for stimulating the economy.
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# ? May 16, 2020 23:45 |
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Maybe we should aim for deflation so the rich get richer even faster. The job creators being better off is better for everyone, I'm told.
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# ? May 16, 2020 23:48 |
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Mainstream German politics has become a cult.
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# ? May 17, 2020 09:19 |
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The cult of the zero.
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# ? May 17, 2020 09:24 |
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Angry Lobster posted:The cult of the zero. Ordonihilismus
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# ? May 17, 2020 10:23 |
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Kassad posted:Ordonihilismus Sort of obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w
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# ? May 17, 2020 10:42 |
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Angry Lobster posted:The cult of the zero. Can we set this wonderful number they love so much to be Germany's influence in EU politics?
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# ? May 17, 2020 11:20 |
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Econ experts quickly zeroing in on the problem I see
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# ? May 17, 2020 11:21 |
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https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtsch...a-16775908.htmlquote:Germany and France are jointly proposing a European programme worth 500 billion euros for economic recovery after the Corona crisis. The EU is to use funds from its budget to support the sectors and regions most affected, according to a paper published by the German and French governments on Monday. To this end the EU Commission should be allowed to borrow on the financial markets in the name of the EU. Something vaguely resembling progress.
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# ? May 18, 2020 23:03 |
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Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands might all veto. Also, still too small.
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# ? May 19, 2020 05:10 |
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MiddleOne posted:Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands might all veto. Also, still too small. Are they really going to go against Germany on their own?
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# ? May 19, 2020 09:29 |
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Orange Devil posted:Are they really going to go against Germany on their own? If you'd heard the idiotic populist rhetoric around anything even remotely EU budget-centric you'd know nothing is impossible.
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# ? May 19, 2020 10:49 |
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Orange Devil posted:Are they really going to go against Germany on their own?
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# ? May 19, 2020 11:05 |
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Orange Devil posted:Are they really going to go against Germany on their own? I doubt it. These are political blocs we're talking about, they march in lockstep, and if the senior partner decides on a line and is committed to it then the rest will fall in line. Question is, is the senior partner actually committed or are they seeking to sink it with a veil of plausible deniability? I could go either way, since on the one hand the thing that might scare even the firmest liberal technocrat is happening: -40% output across the board in multiple countries, gigantic demand shock, soaring unemployment rates and incomes dropping. That is capital B Bad for markets and esp- for an export led economy. On the other hand, these guys have repeatedly shown themselves to be completely unphased by reality refusing to conform to their dogma so who knows.
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# ? May 19, 2020 11:19 |
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500bn is about 10% of whats required, maybe. But it is a positive that Germany is at least on-board. The Dutch will still probably still do their best to scupper it, though.
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# ? May 19, 2020 13:17 |
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Blut posted:€500bn is about 10% of whats required, maybe. But it is a positive that Germany is at least on-board.
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# ? May 19, 2020 15:22 |
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mortons stork posted:I doubt it. These are political blocs we're talking about, they march in lockstep, and if the senior partner decides on a line and is committed to it then the rest will fall in line. I suppose the Frugal Four counts as a bloc. https://twitter.com/sebastiankurz/status/1262432181571518466 Not sure if they consider Germany a senior member though.
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# ? May 19, 2020 21:14 |
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Let's not kid ourselves, if the recovery fund is truly wanted, those countries are about to get a nicely worded letter from Berlin. If not, Germany will just shrug at the next European Council meeting and say 'oh I can't really tell them how to vote now can I?'
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# ? May 19, 2020 21:28 |
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mortons stork posted:Let's not kid ourselves, if the recovery fund is truly wanted, those countries are about to get a nicely worded letter from Berlin. If not, Germany will just shrug at the next European Council meeting and say 'oh I can't really tell them how to vote now can I?' It depends on the internal politics of those countries. If a government deems it unacceptable they can and will refuse regardless of whatever carrot/stick Paris-Berlin offer in exchange. Poland and Hungary routinely go against EU consensus even on issues extremely important to Berlin. No doubt they have suffered political influence and standing on the continent but that's irrelevant If they think the alternative is worse.
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# ? May 19, 2020 23:23 |
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4 countries table alternative to Merkel-Macron virus recovery fund https://www.dailysabah.com/business/economy/4-eu-countries-table-alternative-for-merkel-macron-virus-recovery-fund/amp
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# ? May 24, 2020 08:59 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:4 countries table alternative to Merkel-Macron virus recovery fund
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# ? May 24, 2020 11:14 |
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A lot of chat in media circles of the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark and Sweden opposing any grants in favour of punitive loans. Eventually people will start referring to them via a title of some description, the Frugal Four is pretty popular, but I'm gonna throw into the ring "NADS"
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# ? May 28, 2020 12:51 |
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Again it's about money, the EU can make decisions just fine but the budget is limited and has to be agreed to by everyone. It's genuinely the most dysfunctional part of EU. Some funding has already been redirected but without a budget increase there's only so much they can do, and we're talking about a situation when even the relatively frugal EU is begging to start spending.
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# ? May 28, 2020 13:01 |
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scumaliom posted:A lot of chat in media circles of the Netherlands, Austria, Denmark and Sweden opposing any grants in favour of punitive loans. I am reading the comments on the YLE news articles and they are overwhelmingly in the vein of "lazy loving southern europeans leeching of Finland again" "southern european countries living over their means why do we have to pay for their lazyness?" "We can't burden out children with more DEBT" Don't expect jack poo poo from northern europe is what I am saying, they want to have their cake and eat it too.
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# ? May 28, 2020 13:25 |
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what is the cake in this case? An artificially depressed currency?
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# ? May 28, 2020 13:36 |
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When peopla are fed that austerity is the only sensible choice, no it has nothing to do with ideology we are pragmatists and only work based on facts unlike those leftists, then helping other countries and people even when sensible and the right thing to do is a bridge too far. Even when we are talking about money that doesn't even need to be paid back. Sauli Niinistö is like one step above god and he loving loves austerity and just came out against schemes like this, so there is that as well. Hiekkakauppias fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 28, 2020 |
# ? May 28, 2020 14:57 |
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Seems to me that only verifies the idea that comments under news stories are universally written by shitheads.
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# ? May 28, 2020 15:06 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:I am reading the comments on the YLE news articles and they are overwhelmingly in the vein of Yeah all that post 2008/2011 conditioning. Dutch reply guys are now a thing on Twitter too, a bunch of thumbs in polo shirts trying to convince you that their economy is more than just helping IKEA tax dodge
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# ? May 28, 2020 16:54 |
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scumaliom posted:Yeah all that post 2008/2011 conditioning. Dutch reply guys are now a thing on Twitter too, a bunch of thumbs in polo shirts trying to convince you that their economy is more than just helping IKEA tax dodge Well there's also Royal Shell exploiting the planet for profit.
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# ? May 28, 2020 22:43 |
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How deep in the pockets of Russian mafia are the Dutch politicians? It's jarring how aggressive and confrontational they are to southern countries while not standing up to Russia after they shot down a plane full of their citizens, voted to bring them back to the council, raised a stink about the agreement with Ukraine, etc. I have asked some Dutch people about it and the narrative seems to be "we are small and too economically weak to stand up to Russia" which is just precious to hear as someone coming from a Baltic state.
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# ? May 29, 2020 12:52 |
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When your country is a tax heaven your politicians are beholden to the kind of people who use tax heavens. Who could have known!
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# ? May 29, 2020 13:11 |