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Welp, guess I won't be getting mail for a few days.quote:DENVER — The Denver Department of Public Health and Environment (DDPHE) has ordered the closure of a mail facility that handles all mail for Colorado and Wyoming. https://www.9news.com/article/news/...ee-f37e69f6da0e
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Syrian Lannister posted:Not linking the video, ppv tahoe on Instagram has the shooter talking about it, pulling his rifle, and you can hear shots from a outdoor patio area. Getting released now that the shooter for this was an incel.
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I'm sorry but jesus christ this is hilarious and sad?
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May 22, 2020 02:57
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I believe these are the first CDC numbers that I've seen. Pay attention to Scenario 5 in these numbers, it's based on all data up to 4/29/2020. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#box The CDC thinks that R0 is 2.5, with 35% of all infectious people being completely asymptomatic, but still being 100% as infectious as the symptomatic people. 0.4% of people with COVID get sick and die. 40% of transmissions happen from someone who wasn't symptomatic, thus the masks. I'm really, really curious to see what the numbers will be once these tables update with the May data. I think the R0 and death rates are awfully low.
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May 22, 2020 03:03
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They hang people for Marijuana in Singapore. They’re loving brutal and draconian about drugs. This guy’s heroine deal he’s being executed for happened in 2011. I think the only thing most Americans ever knew about Singapore was that kid who got caned for graffiti in the 90’s. Weird Al did a song about it.
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May 22, 2020 03:05
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May 22, 2020 03:13
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facialimpediment posted:I believe these are the first CDC numbers that I've seen. Pay attention to Scenario 5 in these numbers, it's based on all data up to 4/29/2020. R0 is just based on observed positive tests, right? So our lack of testing would contribute to a lower R0, as would any positive impact of social distancing, masks, and shutdowns?
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Godholio posted:R0 is just based on observed positive tests, right? So our lack of testing would contribute to a lower R0, as would any positive impact of social distancing, masks, and shutdowns? I think it's a number based on mathematical models using the observed characteristics of the disease and how the infection works, not real world testing data. It would be impossible to determine an actual R0 from our state case data because it would be so variable. For example, if they used Colorado's data from the last month the R0 would be <1. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 03:31 on May 22, 2020 |
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May 22, 2020 03:25
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Well, that's not going to help against the "Models are just fake!" crowd.
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May 22, 2020 03:27
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:They hang people for Marijuana in Singapore. They’re loving brutal and draconian about drugs. This guy’s heroine deal he’s being executed for happened in 2011. William Gibson’s article “Disneyland With the Death Penalty” is another influential piece. Forgot about the Weird Al song though that one did three news stories, not just the Michael Fay thing.
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R0 is what is predicted to happen in a group not actively working against a disease. R is the actual real deal rate as best we can tell.
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Godholio posted:Well, that's not going to help against the "Models are just fake!" crowd. Eh, it's not for the public. It's for scientists who can get some use out of "If you model a human as a frictionless sphere in a vacuum, and he has a 10% chance of contracting it, a 5% chance of being asymptomatic, and a 7% chance of spreading a week in..." and so on.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Welp, guess I won't be getting mail for a few days. Fuuuuck I was just getting a parcel shipped outa Colorado, hope it got through already 
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I'm sure they'll open up again probably next week, but it's definitely not moving for a day or two until they disinfect the place. The local Safeway to me (walking distance) had two cases reported in the news here a few days ago. Went down there today for a few things, still open, still less than half the customers wearing masks.
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mlmp08 posted:Facebook sucks, but it really does matter regarding compensation vs location. Cutting after the fact is lovely, but I’d take a job for a given salary in a cheaper location but refuse the same job/pay in downtown NYC or SF or whatever. Having the company outright say they're going to sliding scale your wages so that everyone gets the same amount of disposable income regardless of where they live is stupid as poo poo if these workers were hired in person and paid the same until they moved to a cheaper ZIP code. They are literally not being paid the value of their labour but rather what the company determines is an appropriate amount of money based on cost of living. Your value doesn't go down when you do the exact same quality of work (as Facebook is allowing for WFH in perpetua) but your physical location is cheaper.
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I've only been out twice since before the lockdown started here and I've only gone to 2 stores. A Safeway and a Total Wine. Total Wine has 'you must wear mask' and a great big plexiglass to keep the customer and cashier separated, and they no longer allow customer owned bags. Safeway has a small plexiglass that really does not do much, floor stickers to attempt to get people to go one way down an isle (not enforced). The only food store that I know of nearby that had known covid cases from employees was a Whole Foods near the beginning of this and they tried to cover it up.
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poo poo, the walmart over on space center in the Springs had three cases and they shut it down for a few days. I'm sure the king soopers has a case or a few. I just walk to Safeway a few times a week to keep from going stir crazy, if nothing else. Mostly surprised they didn't shut down for a day or two to disinfect in between.
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Also by the way, Hong Kong is... pretty much done https://www.nytimes.com./2020/05/21/world/asia/hong-kong-china.html quote:BEIJING — China signaled on Thursday it would move forward with laws that would take aim at antigovernment protests and other dissent in Hong Kong. It is the clearest message yet that the Communist Party is moving to undermine the civil liberties the semiautonomous territory has known since the 1997 British handoff.
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I can only take so much accelerationist boner abuse. Either the world needs to end or I'm going to need some lubrication to curb the chafing.
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Eej posted:They are literally not being paid the value of their labour but rather what the company determines is an appropriate amount of money based on cost of living. Your value doesn't go down when you do the exact same quality of work (as Facebook is allowing for WFH in perpetua) but your physical location is cheaper. Ok, so forget facebook itself for a second, cause that seems kind of third rail. If the basic cost of simply existing (zero luxury, profit, savings) is 40K/year in one place and 20K/year another place, then it makes sense to compensate people proportionate to cost of living. In various WFH jobs, this does make less sense, but then you face the perverse incentive for companies to tell people to gently caress off to City of Cheapsville and then augment their internet as required. Or to create dystopian free housing camps or some poo poo. The proportionate compensations makes a million tomes more sense in jobs that cannot be worked from home. A person physically fixing HVAC systems does no more work in a low cost of living area than a high cost of living area, but of course they get paid more in a high cost of living area. These weird market-isms would be somewhat mitigated with better housing, transportation, and social support system policies, of course.
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Eej posted:Also by the way, Hong Kong is... pretty much done  indeed.
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Like its a surprise really? I bet the CCP is happy that the virus came along and shut down the protests so they didn't have to do Tienanmen 2020.
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ded posted:Like its a surprise really? I bet the CCP is happy that the virus came along and shut down the protests so they didn't have to do Tienanmen 2020. It’s not a surprise but it’s still disappointing to watch.
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mlmp08 posted:Ok, so forget facebook itself for a second, cause that seems kind of third rail. If the basic cost of simply existing (zero luxury, profit, savings) is 40K/year in one place and 20K/year another place, then it makes sense to compensate people proportionate to cost of living. I think this particular situation is clouded by the fact that I believe we all understand a software engineer at a major Silicon Valley company provides extremely valuable work. It requires many skills, intelligence and creativity. The hours are long and hard. Therefore the compensation is quite high. Now, part of the compensation may come from the fact that real estate in the area is completely hosed and therefore, to attract talent, a company has to try and make compensation offset the insane real estate market. However, engineer A in Reno is still doing the same amount of work as engineer B in Palo Alto. One is simply remote while the other is not. If any employer values their work equally, then they’d be compensated equally. What isn’t being discussed is why the company (in this case, Facebook), remains in a locale with a sideways real estate market that forces them to pay employees above what the company apparently views as the real value of their work. If Zuck was really upset about wages for remote workers, he could look at moving Facebook HQ to a less hosed area. He’s instead taking the “gently caress the workers” option because it’s easier and he has the power to do it.
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Thwomp posted:If any employer values their work equally, then they’d be compensated equally. This isn't wrong, per se, but the logical capitalist conclusion is that the employers should probably lay off or find reasons to fire anyone who stays in Palo Alto unless those workers agree to relocate to Reno or cheaper and then WFH in your scenario. Truly unique geniuses who aren't just smart people who work hard would be protected, but otherwise, get thee to a cheap place and WFH, programming labor.
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There is value to cross pollination between the tech firms being all plonked into a handful of spots. There's a lot of mobility without having to upend your life any time you want to change to some other tech giant. And a lot happens with just casual talk between engineers at different places. But putting a 100,000 nerds making 6-7 digits in a 50 Mile radius increasingly warps reality around itself as time goes on. Especially in the era of complete nonsense venture capitalism with billions being thrown at companies that maybe ten years from now will make a profit.
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This policy seems like a good transition strategy. Facebook stays in Pal Alto, because the city itself attracts the talent. People want to be there--if they tried to move the entire campus to Oklahoma people would bail for other work--which is why they want to live in Palo Alto. Believe me, if these companies knew they could keep the talent and continue to access it, they'd already have move to Tennessee and convinced the state to build their campus for them. If you want to escape this tie to location, there's some percentage of staff you can't afford to lose. Drop that wage for everyone, and you have half your talent leaving to join local firms so they can keep the house they mortgaged or not move their kids, or keep their friend/lover/yoga instructor. It's like how everyone in the Navy buys a house, keeps it for six years and then grumbles 'bullshit' about getting moved to Japan, like 'Get Sent Around The World' was tiny font on the package or something. People naturally just start setting up roots. Instead, what you can do is start offering a value inbetween to incentivise. If you live in San Francisco, after living expenses you walk away with 50,000 a year. If you live in Reno, you get paid less, but, after adjusting for cost of living, you leave with 70,000 a year. You split the difference with the employee to encourage them to move out and take the remote choice, and you tune that number. Just because we've been remote for six months doesn't mean everyone believes in 100% remote work, even if the companies are offering it. There are still many advantages to working in person for both the employee and the employer, and if you spread out too much you're going to lose those advantages that are not well studied. You can even pick a couple of cities and add higher incentive to aggregate some more. You can use bonuses or housing allowances to tune your in-person and remote workforce, as well as the location of those workers.
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mlmp08 posted:Ok, so forget facebook itself for a second, cause that seems kind of third rail. If the basic cost of simply existing (zero luxury, profit, savings) is 40K/year in one place and 20K/year another place, then it makes sense to compensate people proportionate to cost of living. what would make sense is compensating people in proportion to the value they give the company, which presumably doesn't vary too much depending on their zip code. letting companies make salary proportionate to CoL harms every worker (though it harms me less since i am a (non-facebook) cloud-moron in SF).
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Thwomp posted:If any employer values their work equally, then they’d be compensated equally. But you don't just pay an employee, and you don't just pay an employee for their declared function. That's treating employee's like commodities--and even then, a barrel of oil costs different amounts in different places because if I buy a barrel of oil in Saudi Arabia, it doesn't do anything for me until I get it to my plant in America. So you provide various incentives--lifestyle (a bustling city), job security (adjacency to other firms), community, health insurance, a coffee machine, etc because who you're courting values these comforts more than they value the 120,001st dollar in their salary. You might find you value local employees more, since local employees can be used to turn-it-off-and-turn-it-on-again, or will brainstorm ideas with each other at the campus coffee shop during their relaxation time or because information and cyber security is easier to assure at a centralized location. Remote employees might have other costs as you open yourself more to cyber threat, have to negotiate benefits, taxes, and labor laws across 50 states instead of one (i.e. more lawyers). It doesn't necessarily scale directly. Maybe you find you value the remote employees more, because local geographic effects are more spread out or because they're easier to keep happy for less money. Maybe you want some of one and some of another. Because long term data is quite sparse on the relative effectiveness of remote and local employees, you perhaps want a mix so you can get that data but without your firm immediately folding, and maybe you then tune your incentives based upon what is most likely to both keep the business profitable. For a business like Facebook, profitability is very much tied to talent and access to funds. A mass exodus is going to tank the valuation and you could very quickly lose both.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:They hang people for Marijuana in Singapore. They’re loving brutal and draconian about drugs. This guy’s heroine deal he’s being executed for happened in 2011. There's a reason I've heard it called a fascist utopia more than once
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Doc Hawkins posted:what would make sense is compensating people in proportion to the value they give the company, which presumably doesn't vary too much depending on their zip code. My intuition is that this isn't true and that the effects aren't as simple--otherwise there never would have been all of this investment into Silicon Valley campuses to begin with. People don't even value each dollar or benefit the same, they certainly interpret each quality of life feature differently.
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I'm awfully curious about the decision Amazon made to locate their primary HQ in the core of a metro area rather than directly contribute to sprawl by building on the lower density outskirts like so many other tech companies. It's just so wildly at odds with trends from the other big players and can't come down merely to Seattle offering a bigger bribe than one of the 'burbs. My main opposition to telework becoming the default comes down to believing dense, diverse neighborhoods are incredibly beneficial from both an environmental and social perspective. Sure, employers are only an artificial anchor for this, but considering how much we subsidize low-density, car-reliant sprawl in the exurbs and actively ignore the externalities of doing so, I figure maintaining at least one big counterbalance is fair. Of course, companies everywhere have long done an utter poo poo job of accommodating telework when employees would be much better off at least having the option to do as necessary. I just always need to jump in and try to tap the brakes when I see discussion that could lead to tech workers dispersing into the hinterlands and losing what little contact they still have with the real world.
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Doc Hawkins posted:what would make sense is compensating people in proportion to the value they give the company, which presumably doesn't vary too much depending on their zip code. That '"value" is not geouniversal.
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This is our last, best chance to make telecommuting a thing and capitalism is going to kill it and I think that's hilarious.
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I work for a company that already does work from home + scaling income to where you were hired. What happens for people who stick around is they get hired in high income areas then eventually move to low income areas and never get a raise again but they still live like kings. But, and it's a big but - no one gets their pay outright cut due to a move. That's Facebook being really special to its own. Given the sort of moral behavior that company encourages this is inevitably going to lead to massive fraud and then massive surveillance to combat the fraud.
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Best Friends posted:I work for a company that already does work from home + scaling income to where you were hired. What happens for people who stick around is they get hired in high income areas then eventually move to low income areas and never get a raise again but they still live like kings. But, and it's a big but - no one gets their pay outright cut due to a move. That's Facebook being really special to its own. Given the sort of moral behavior that company encourages this is inevitably going to lead to massive fraud and then massive surveillance to combat the fraud. Basically this. Pay them what they're hired at, you can pay new people commensurate with the location they're hired from.
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i am not convinced my contributions are three times more precious than they would be if i lived in des moines
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Best Friends posted:I work for a company that already does work from home + scaling income to where you were hired. What happens for people who stick around is they get hired in high income areas then eventually move to low income areas and never get a raise again but they still live like kings. But, and it's a big but - no one gets their pay outright cut due to a move. That's Facebook being really special to its own. Given the sort of moral behavior that company encourages this is inevitably going to lead to massive fraud and then massive surveillance to combat the fraud. They’ve already got the surveillance, may as well use it openly.
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