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CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.
Apparently Delia negotiated a ton of concessions last night to satisfy the realtors, and they left the table happy, and then in the middle of the night changed their minds and went from neutral to oppose. Their bought legislators are now fighting Delia's bill, and just openly saying on the record that the real estate lobby has told them to vote no.

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Flip Yr Wig
Feb 21, 2007

Oh please do go on
Fun Shoe

CaptainJuan posted:

Apparently Delia negotiated a ton of concessions last night to satisfy the realtors, and they left the table happy, and then in the middle of the night changed their minds and went from neutral to oppose. Their bought legislators are now fighting Delia's bill, and just openly saying on the record that the real estate lobby has told them to vote no.

Wow, comparing the bills now. This is a major, major concession for nothing. loving hell.

It went from a 180 moratorium on rents and mortgages to a 60 moratorium on evictions, with a fund that goes directly to the landlords. To say nothing of the affirmative defenses against eviction actions that were stripped out.

Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 19:44 on May 22, 2020

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


News of the Day (bad news):
-Clay County Chudge ruled that a tanning and hair place is exempt from the SAH order. Once again, he littered his ruling with poo poo about “why can we go to Walmart and not to church?” bullshit. Set up another hearing in June to determine whether his ruling should be state wide.
-US District Attorney for Southern Illinois (Trump appointee) filed a letter stating that Bailey’s lawsuit should be placed back in Clay County Chudge’s court instead of federal court. He stated that Pritzker did everything wrong with his SAH after the initial 30 days and everything since then has not been legal.
-Edit: Dammit, now all I see from my timeline is people sharing this news and saying how “God is Good” and “Thank you Darren Bailey for loving this state so much”. I do not understand some people.

Good News though:
-The Senate passed an election omnibus Bill. If you have voted in the last 2 years, you will automatically receive an application for a mail in ballot. If you registered to vote after the primaries, you will receive a mail in ballot.
-Election day is now a state holiday.

My wife has not voted in the last 2 years but she is already registered to vote. Will she be able to request a mail in ballot too?

Bizarro Kanyon fucked around with this message at 01:44 on May 23, 2020

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Listen I know that a lot of the people calling for opening things up are just chuds, but I can also see why some people who are struggling may be switching their opinion.

My girlfriend has been forced out of work due to the shutdown for the past 9 weeks. Despite the CARES Act passing nearly 2 months ago, she still hasn't seen a single cent from PUA. This is because Illinois is now one of the last states to pay it out (if they ever do). IDES is a complete disaster with conflicting information and no way to contact a human being.

So she's in a position where the state is telling her she can't work and then loving up the program that was supposed to help keep her afloat. This is federal money that the state can't or doesn't want to figure out how to distribute. She's as far left as you can get, but at a point soon where it is be homeless or work and hope you can stay healthy. Neither option is appealing.

And she's lucky that there was some savings to dip into. Not a ton because of student loan debt and health insurance premiums. But I can't fathom how any independent contractor living week to week is getting by.

Illinois completely hosed over gig workers and independent contractors. If this state cared at all about those people, they'd be demanding Pritzker resign.

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Niwrad posted:

Listen I know that a lot of the people calling for opening things up are just chuds, but I can also see why some people who are struggling may be switching their opinion.

My girlfriend has been forced out of work due to the shutdown for the past 9 weeks. Despite the CARES Act passing nearly 2 months ago, she still hasn't seen a single cent from PUA. This is because Illinois is now one of the last states to pay it out (if they ever do). IDES is a complete disaster with conflicting information and no way to contact a human being.

So she's in a position where the state is telling her she can't work and then loving up the program that was supposed to help keep her afloat. This is federal money that the state can't or doesn't want to figure out how to distribute. She's as far left as you can get, but at a point soon where it is be homeless or work and hope you can stay healthy. Neither option is appealing.

And she's lucky that there was some savings to dip into. Not a ton because of student loan debt and health insurance premiums. But I can't fathom how any independent contractor living week to week is getting by.

Illinois completely hosed over gig workers and independent contractors. If this state cared at all about those people, they'd be demanding Pritzker resign.

Yeah, I dunno the ins and outs of it, but it's definitely a black mark. A shame, too, because I'd argue that - for better or worse - we're up there in overall handling of this thing.

I dunno if it stems from the Deloitte fuckup trying to overhaul the system or if it's something else. IDES was always kinda a shitshow, and I think he's on board with fixing it for the future, but yeah - a whole lotta people need this poo poo fixed YESTERDAY.

It comes up during almost every Q&A session during his daily briefings, but I can't say I recall any specific answers to that point. I have to imagine that the money will be released and backdated eventually, but that doesn't help right now, of course.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

I think W2 folks will get it at some point since they are already in the system and getting paid something. Don't know if they ever get the money to 1099 and self-employed folks though with how terrible the system is. Kind of sucks because it is federal money the state misses out on.

The kicker is getting an e-mail that told her that some personal information may have been exposed and to get a free credit report. So no money for 9 weeks and someone may have her SS#. Cool state.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
I had a week layoff in January so did my grace period then (lol not like it matters, gently caress me I guess ) and then got laid off in early may and already have the deposit since I was w-2 and in the system

My dad and some friends are struggling to do the PUA thing so any info you have would be appreciated. I don't know how you're supposed to submit info of work in 2020 , especially if any of it was the side stuff people tend to not report

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


I 100% agree that IDES is hosed up and the state has ruined many people’s lives by not being prepared to help those in need. I know it is hard, especially economically and I have several liberal friends that are hitting the same feelings but the people I am thinking of are the ones who, from the beginning, downplayed everything.

They took it seriously only when Trump did for a week or so. Then it became Chinese conspiracies, Bill Gates and the numbers are lying. Then it became “cure worse then the disease”. Now it is, Darren Bailey is here to save the state and he can do no wrong.

I am wanting to open up, especially for those in need who have been failed by the state systems.

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I 100% agree that IDES is hosed up and the state has ruined many people’s lives by not being prepared to help those in need. I know it is hard, especially economically and I have several liberal friends that are hitting the same feelings but the people I am thinking of are the ones who, from the beginning, downplayed everything.

They took it seriously only when Trump did for a week or so. Then it became Chinese conspiracies, Bill Gates and the numbers are lying. Then it became “cure worse then the disease”. Now it is, Darren Bailey is here to save the state and he can do no wrong.

I am wanting to open up, especially for those in need who have been failed by the state systems.

I guess I'm just wanting to make sure that we don't open up too fast/unsafely, while also turning it around to get everyone their money like, tomorrow.

Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but that's probably just how my dumb brain works :(

T. Bombastus
Feb 18, 2013

CaptainJuan posted:

Apparently Delia negotiated a ton of concessions last night to satisfy the realtors, and they left the table happy, and then in the middle of the night changed their minds and went from neutral to oppose. Their bought legislators are now fighting Delia's bill, and just openly saying on the record that the real estate lobby has told them to vote no.

Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc
https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1263982952595234823
https://twitter.com/marty_lederman/status/1263968803358113792
https://twitter.com/marty_lederman/status/1263968804570386435

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Niwrad posted:

Listen I know that a lot of the people calling for opening things up are just chuds, but I can also see why some people who are struggling may be switching their opinion.

My girlfriend has been forced out of work due to the shutdown for the past 9 weeks. Despite the CARES Act passing nearly 2 months ago, she still hasn't seen a single cent from PUA. This is because Illinois is now one of the last states to pay it out (if they ever do). IDES is a complete disaster with conflicting information and no way to contact a human being.

So she's in a position where the state is telling her she can't work and then loving up the program that was supposed to help keep her afloat. This is federal money that the state can't or doesn't want to figure out how to distribute. She's as far left as you can get, but at a point soon where it is be homeless or work and hope you can stay healthy. Neither option is appealing.

And she's lucky that there was some savings to dip into. Not a ton because of student loan debt and health insurance premiums. But I can't fathom how any independent contractor living week to week is getting by.

Illinois completely hosed over gig workers and independent contractors. If this state cared at all about those people, they'd be demanding Pritzker resign.

Have you tried contacting your state assembly persons office? Either branch? Or barring that your Congressperson (unless it’s Rodney Davis which lol). You can also try Durbin or Duckworth’s offices they might have some tips as well.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Niwrad posted:

Has anyone filed for unemployment as a self-employed worker? My girlfriend is in that boat as she was an independent contractor. The system doesn't seem set up for that unless I'm missing something. It requires entering an employer. If she just enters her own name it shows benefits of $0. Same if she enters the people she worked as contractors for.

Any help on this is appreciated. Guessing someone here is in that boat.

Yeah I’ve been pulling PUA from Colorado since the day they enabled it, which was around April 20. ~$1k weekly backdated to March 19. I also applied for the PPP through a credit union I have an account with based in Louisiana, and got $9k, so I suggest you get her into trying for that today. Contact every local bank in your area until you find one that will do it for you. Most will probably say no because she’s not an account holder so start with her bank/s.

i am harry fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 23, 2020

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Oracle posted:

Have you tried contacting your state assembly persons office? Either branch? Or barring that your Congressperson (unless it’s Rodney Davis which lol). You can also try Durbin or Duckworth’s offices they might have some tips as well.

I believe she contacted her rep which is Ann William's and got a canned response.

Not sure if any can help. She isn't the only one in the position. Illinois is just not set up to pay 1099 people now. People she worked with are all in the same boat. One had to pack up and move back to Michigan to his parents house because he couldn't pay rent and utilities. State left a lot of people out to dry.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


This is the Clay County Chudge. This is apparently how he ended the case on Friday and now it is being shared by everyone in my area.

https://www.thevillagersvoice.com/j...xjD-VKuMXJfQLkU

“Chudge” posted:


Michael McHaney of Clay County had this to say at the conclusion of the case he heard yesterday afternoon (Mainer v Pritzker) in the Clay County courtroom:

“Since the inception of this insanity, the following regulations, rules or consequences have occurred: I won't get COVID if I get an abortion, but I will get COVID if I get a colonoscopy. Selling pot is essential, but selling goods and services at a family owned business is not. Pot wasn't even legal and pot dispensaries didn't even exist in this state until five months ago and, in that five months, they have become essential, but a family-owned business in existence for five generations is not.

A family of six can pile in their car and drive to Carlyle Lake without contracting COVID but, if they all get in the same boat, they will. We are told that kids rarely contract the virus and sunlight kills it, but summer youth programs, sports programs are cancelled. Four people can drive to the golf course and not get COVID but, if they play in a foursome, they will. If I go to Walmart, I won't get COVID but, if I go to church, I will. Murderers are released from custody while small business owners are threatened with arrest if they have the audacity to attempt to feed their families.

These are just a few of examples of rules, regulations and consequences that are arbitrary, capricious, and completely devoid of anything even remotely approaching common sense.

State's attorneys in this state, county sheriffs, mayors, city councils and county boards have openly and publicly defied these orders followed by threats to withhold funding and revocation of necessary licenses and certifications unless you obey. Our economy is shut down because of a flu virus with a 98 percent plus survival rate. Doctors and experts say different things weekly. The defendant cites models in his opposition. The only thing experts will agree on is that all models are wrong and some are useful.

The Centers for Disease Control now says the virus is not easily spread on surfaces. The defendant in this case orders you to stay home and pronounces that, if you leave the state, you are putting people in danger, but his family members traveled to Florida and Wisconsin because he deems such travel essential. One initial rationale why the rules don't apply to him is that his family farm had animals that needed fed. Try selling that argument to farmers who have had to slaughter their herds because of disruption in the supply chain.

When laws do not apply to those who make them, people are not being governed, they are being ruled. Make no mistake, these executive orders are not laws. They are royal decrees. Illinois citizens are not being governed, they are being ruled. The last time I checked, Illinois citizens are also Americans and Americans don't get ruled. The last time a monarch tried to rule Americans, a shot was fired that was heard around the world. That day led to the birth of a nation consensually governed based upon a document which ensures that on this day in this, any American courtroom tyrannical despotism will always lose and liberty, freedom and the constitution will always win.”—Judge Michael D. McHaney, Clay County court, Mainer v. Pritzker, argued May 22, 2020.

Thank you, Judge McHaney. You said it beautifully.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Are judges here elected or something

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Yes

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


always vote against incumbent judges

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
that rent/foreclosure bill went nowhere

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

So the Dems are trying to get opponents for the two mask refusers in the General Assembly.

The guy who had to be escorted from the floor, Darren Bailey, has a potential challenger but she needs signatures to get on the ballot. If you live in his district (109, check here) and are a registered Dem voter at your current address and you voted from there in 2018 or 2020, see if you can’t attend a petition signing to get Cynthia Given on the ballot.
May 26th
9-noon in Newton across from Crain funeral home
Also one in Fairfield from 3-6 in Leo French Memorial Park
May 27th
3-6 Olney TaikwonDo Center
May 28th
Robinson City Park in Robinson 3-6
Louisville 166 S Church St 3-6
Carmi Carmi Tarkwondo Center 4-7



Brad Halbrook also has a potential challenger in Mitchell Esslinger who is collecting signatures in District 102. Halbrook is another Republican anti-mask, antivax, general shithead who’s never had a Dem challenger. 102 encompasses southwest Champaign on the far side of 57, parts of south Savoy, St. Joe, other smaller towns southeast south and southwest of Champaign-Urbana in Champaign county. You can see a full map here

There will be a drive thru petition signing at Porter Park in SW Champaign Tuesday the 26th from 4-6pm. More are likely coming as well.

You can find both on Facebook. Bring a pen and wear a mask.

pasaluki
Feb 27, 2008

THIS WHAGON HAS NO BREAKS! I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength OF THE MOUNTAIN, THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE! I will not surrender to KNOW ONE
I think the pandemic has made the relationship between northern and central/southern IL even more toxic which is hard to imagine. Tensions between rural and urban areas are pretty normal and understandable but IL is like currently in some hellworld where there is just this real visceral contempt for anything and anyone in the Chicago Metro area from downstate and like the perception that downstate is like illiterate peasants shoveling piles of poo poo between fields.

Heard a guy saying his county has only suffered one death and to "let them die up there and let us open up down here."

Like I feel like IL used to be able to at least come together to collectively poo poo on Indiana and how much we all hated Rauner.

The balkanization and enmity seems extreme in this state and it seems to just be getting worse. Don't really know what the solution is either. The state is just such a mess and every loving thing feels broken and it feels like the spirit of Illinois is just completely in the shitter.

Hopefully things will get better soon but alot of people are going through hell.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

The sentiment has been there for decades, but since 2016 talking with no filter has been normalized and it's having a genuine impact on the ability for any two people with different opinions to work together. Stir in a crisis that needs immediate attention and poo poo is gonna get real ugly.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Also it's not just Illinois.

It's everywhere.

And by intention.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=

Dexo posted:

Also it's not just Illinois.

It's everywhere.

And by intention.

Yup. It's basically the norm in any state with one or two cities big enough to determine national affiliation. Like everybody thinks of Oregon as a giant hippie paradise, but anything east of the Cascades and south of the Columbia River basin (except Bend) is deeeeeep red and at the forefront of white nationalist terrorism that goes unchecked.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
It's been that way for years, but I agree - it's worse now. It's worse in the same way everything is worse - social distancing is a perfect recipe for radicalization.

pasaluki
Feb 27, 2008

THIS WHAGON HAS NO BREAKS! I HAVE THE HEART OF THE BUUFALO the strength OF THE MOUNTAIN, THE FURY OF THE THUNDER AND MY WILL IS UNBREAKABLE! I will not surrender to KNOW ONE

xzzy posted:

The sentiment has been there for decades, but since 2016 talking with no filter has been normalized and it's having a genuine impact on the ability for any two people with different opinions to work together. Stir in a crisis that needs immediate attention and poo poo is gonna get real ugly.

Yeah the sentiment was always there, and there was tension but not this kind of open hostility. Alot of it was more complaining more than any real conviction. At the very least I've never heard anyone basically be upfront with being cool with people in Chicago dying of the virus.

It exists certainly in other states and places but Illinois I think has it worse/more intense than many other states. I used to live in Upstate NY and like the worst I'd hear is "NYC is totally ignoring us."

There's really no great time for a pandemic to occur, but this could not have come at a worse time. Hope everyone stays good out there.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Poque posted:

Yup. It's basically the norm in any state with one or two cities big enough to determine national affiliation. Like everybody thinks of Oregon as a giant hippie paradise, but anything east of the Cascades and south of the Columbia River basin (except Bend) is deeeeeep red and at the forefront of white nationalist terrorism that goes unchecked.

It's only going to get worse too because pockets of blue are growing in traditionally red territories. Like Texas is shifting, Montana's liberal hubs are growing, and Utah is predicted to be a swing state in 10 years.

So it's all still a ways off, but this stuff is going to get louder as places become less solid red.

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


There is an attempt to bring Chicago back into Illinois.

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
He sounds just like my deadbeat uncle who needs his kids to pay for everything and then complains that they don't respect him.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Bizarro Kanyon posted:

There is an attempt to bring Chicago back into Illinois.



So he's the child and Chicago is the loving parents in this metaphor, right

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

brugroffil posted:

So he's the child and Chicago is the loving parents in this metaphor, right

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Oracle posted:

So the Dems are trying to get opponents for the two mask refusers in the General Assembly.

The guy who had to be escorted from the floor, Darren Bailey, has a potential challenger but she needs signatures to get on the ballot. If you live in his district (109, check here) and are a registered Dem voter at your current address and you voted from there in 2018 or 2020, see if you can’t attend a petition signing to get Cynthia Given on the ballot.
May 26th
9-noon in Newton across from Crain funeral home
Also one in Fairfield from 3-6 in Leo French Memorial Park
May 27th
3-6 Olney TaikwonDo Center
May 28th
Robinson City Park in Robinson 3-6
Louisville 166 S Church St 3-6
Carmi Carmi Tarkwondo Center 4-7



Brad Halbrook also has a potential challenger in Mitchell Esslinger who is collecting signatures in District 102. Halbrook is another Republican anti-mask, antivax, general shithead who’s never had a Dem challenger. 102 encompasses southwest Champaign on the far side of 57, parts of south Savoy, St. Joe, other smaller towns southeast south and southwest of Champaign-Urbana in Champaign county. You can see a full map here

There will be a drive thru petition signing at Porter Park in SW Champaign Tuesday the 26th from 4-6pm. More are likely coming as well.

You can find both on Facebook. Bring a pen and wear a mask.

Cynthia Givens still needs 225 signatures to get on the ballot so if you know anyone in the region who could possibly sign up, send them this information.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
oh man, they were turning up in my hometown of Rockford?

Was not expecting that. Oh well

Free the Homies.

KDdidit
Mar 2, 2007



Grimey Drawer

quote:

Brookfield Residents: We are requesting that you remain indoors if at all possible as there are large disturbances and looting taking place near North Riverside Mall. Multiple reports of shots fired in that area. Please hold off all requests for NON-EMERGENCY calls or inundate the WC3 Dispatch Call Center with inquires about protesters. Many police agencies present.

Sorry, I’m a white dude, I’ll be fine out there.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

KDdidit posted:

Sorry, I’m a white dude, I’ll be fine out there.

Unless you got a press badge, then you just as hosed.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Had a large, peaceful protest in Bloomington.

Then a white dude on a motorcycle drove through the crowd. One injured.

Small potatoes compared to what's going on elsewhere in the state, but absolutely no question here who threw the first punch, metaphorically.

https://www.pantagraph.com/news/loc...64545f9672.html

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Rush Copely out in Owego was on lockdown for a bit, no idea what's going on out that way but in the time my wife's worked there they only do that when there's gunfire in the area (the last time was the shooting in February last year).

WescottF1
Oct 21, 2000
Forums Veteran
Bunch of retail places closed up early in the Rockford area in anticipation of more poo poo tonight. Lots of people on Facebook bitching that they can't go to Walmart.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

One her way home from the hospital wife said all the targets and walgreens were closed with police cars out front, and the dupage county seat had huge trucks blocking the road entrances. White suburbia is very scared tonight.

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Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


The mall in Champaign was looted. I do not know if there was a planned protest where this happened or if groups just started looting. They also went into a Kohl’s and Gordman’s.

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