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Paper pro events are essentially dead at this point. By the time they can even be done again Hasbro will have figured out just how much money they are saving by doing them on Arena.
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Sickening posted:If you think magic is going to continue to chug along without organized play OP isn’t going away, it’s just going digital. Magic will be bigger than ever, while also being less expensive and time consuming.
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May 23, 2020 15:53
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And nothing of value was lost.
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May 23, 2020 15:56
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Paper magic is fun and responsible for keeping all my local game stores in business, I sure hope it doesn’t go away, and I’m not sure why some people are so happy and convinced that it’s going to. Like, maybe it’s just selective memory, but I feel like every time I see Corbeau post it’s to bitch about paper magic lmao.
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May 23, 2020 16:21
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fadam posted:Paper magic is fun and responsible for keeping all my local game stores in business, I sure hope it doesn’t go away, and I’m not sure why some people are so happy and convinced that it’s going to. Like, maybe it’s just selective memory, but I feel like every time I see Corbeau post it’s to bitch about paper magic lmao. Paper Cards, and by extension paper Magic, won't go away, but paper OP probably will, because it sucks to run and is too expensive, and it sucks to participate in and is too expensive
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May 23, 2020 16:31
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Bust Rodd posted:Paper Cards, and by extension paper Magic, won't go away, but paper OP probably will, because it sucks to run and is too expensive, and it sucks to participate in and is too expensive "Sucks to participate in" is a really dumb take.
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May 23, 2020 16:42
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Sickening posted:"Sucks to participate in" is a really dumb take. Your mom sucked to participate in. And no, I did not practice social distancing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 23, 2020 16:45
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This isn't GBS chud.
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May 23, 2020 16:52
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Bust Rodd posted:Paper Cards, and by extension paper Magic, won't go away, but paper OP probably will, because it sucks to run and is too expensive, and it sucks to participate in and is too expensive WotC will stop being involved in paper OP, but it won't go away entirely. I don't see SCG just deciding to stop running their tour, and CFB will inevitably run some type of tournaments once WotC sticks the fork into paper GPs.
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May 23, 2020 16:55
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Sickening posted:"Sucks to participate in" is a really dumb take. The physical tournament structure of MtG is loving grueling and unfun. You ever been to a GP or something around 7:30 PM when everyone is hangry and tired and stinks and start making tiny misplays that cause full blown meltdowns and angleshooters. There are lots of benefits too, it’s not like it can’t be fun, but even diehard MtG grinders like Ally Warfield or Martin Juza seem pretty over it.
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May 23, 2020 17:07
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Arivia posted:Your mom sucked to participate in. And no, I did not practice social distancing. hilarious post my man
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May 23, 2020 17:09
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Arivia posted:Your mom sucked to participate in. And no, I did not practice social distancing. holy fuckin poo poo this guy  his MOM, dude
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May 23, 2020 17:12
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Sickening posted:This isn't GBS chud. it's a pun, that's all
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May 23, 2020 17:28
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fadam posted:I’m not sure why some people are so happy and convinced that it’s going to. Personally, if OP stopped being a thing I would unload all my cards for whatever I could get for them pretty much immediately and never look back. I enjoy the game, but I want to enjoy it with actual people I can see and hear and shake hands with; that's what makes magic actually enjoyable to me. If I just want a strategy computer game, there are hundreds of better options.
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May 23, 2020 17:55
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shaking hands is what got us into this mess in the first place, you sicko
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May 23, 2020 17:59
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Bust Rodd posted:I genuinely think it would be worse to string players along indefinitely for a chance at something that might never happen, meanwhile MtG is still going on digitally and more and more people qualify for PTQs and GPS online which would lead to like a huge backlog of players who are...waiting for a physical tournament? Mat Cauthon posted:What agreement? The agreement that almost certainly says "WotC reserves the right to change the terms of [insert prize here] based on X, Y, and Z factors"? They were literally selling people tournament entries on the promise of future premier tabletop OP the day of the announcement. They don't need to let any future qualifications be deferred or apply to the paper event until they are ready to run the paper event, they just have to say that up front. quote:and honestly not might ever be worth the risk ever again. 
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May 23, 2020 18:00
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I don't have an opinion on high-level play but getting rid of low-level paper play would be a huge blow to the game. Even if Magic survived that it would look a whole lot different coming out the other end. I like FNM and pre-releases, and I don't know that I could maintain long-term interest in the game if it went 100% online  But I'm just one guy on the internet.
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May 23, 2020 18:07
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Paper OP going away means mtg becomes Just Another Computer Game that dies in 10 years from overly-greedy corporate squeezing
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May 23, 2020 18:23
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That argument doesn’t really work when the digital equivalent the paper game is infinitely less expensive
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May 23, 2020 18:25
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Yawgmoth posted:Personally, if OP stopped being a thing I would unload all my cards for whatever I could get for them pretty much immediately and never look back. I enjoy the game, but I want to enjoy it with actual people I can see and hear and shake hands with; that's what makes magic actually enjoyable to me. If I just want a strategy computer game, there are hundreds of better options. You keep posting as the end of physical OP is the end of kitchen table magic with friends. Why do you think this? What is supporting this idea? The overwhelming majority of magic products sold today will never see a deck registration sheet, because they are being played unsleeved at a friend's house. Paper OP and Paper Games are not the same institution. like the end of OP probably impacts, no joke, the 2 guys who run a podcast out of my LGS about competitive play and the two grinders that draft, and then the other 40 of us who play Commander together will continue as normal.
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May 23, 2020 18:32
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Bust Rodd posted:You keep posting as the end of physical OP is the end of kitchen table magic with friends. Why do you think this? What is supporting this idea? The overwhelming majority of magic products sold today will never see a deck registration sheet, because they are being played unsleeved at a friend's house. Paper OP and Paper Games are not the same institution. Pretty sure Yawg isn't talking about high level tournaments and whatnot so much as about FNM and prereleases. I loved being able to drop by the LGS every Friday and sign up for draft, and hang out with people. About once a year, there'll be a GP or whatever in town, and I'll go check out side events, or sign up for the main event to flame out early, if I'm feeling spicy. Sometimes there's a limited PPTQ that I'll participate in. I'd hate to see all of that tossed out the window. Yeah, stores would probably put together some kind of game night regardless, but there's really something to be said for WotC supporting FNM as in institution. And for drafts specifically (which is pretty much the entirety of the Magic I play), trying to put them together casually is a giant pain in the rear end that only happens rarely, in my experience.
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May 23, 2020 18:54
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Other than those LGS going out of business, which is not a thing wotc can even do anything about, there is absolutely no reason to believe there is going to be some sort of mass ending of local magic events
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May 23, 2020 18:58
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Honestly having seen the sheer amount of paper and cardboard waste that comes out of the game I think there’s a sufficient argument for killing paper Magic based on that alone
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May 23, 2020 19:09
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Got em’ https://twitter.com/mtghofbot/status/1264205700596666368?s=19
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May 23, 2020 19:19
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May 23, 2020 19:24
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TheKingofSprings posted:Honestly having seen the sheer amount of paper and cardboard waste that comes out of the game I think there’s a sufficient argument for killing paper Magic based on that alone if only there were some way to print the cards people actually want without printing thousands of useless cards at the same time 
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May 23, 2020 19:24
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Rinkles posted:what did he leak? It was the OP changes, was posted in this thread last week.
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May 23, 2020 19:24
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Arivia posted:Your mom sucked to participate in. And no, I did not practice social distancing. I don't know about anybody's moms sucking but this post sure does
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May 23, 2020 19:25
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Tainen posted:It was the OP changes, was posted in this thread last week. didn't realize that was a leak
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May 23, 2020 19:26
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May 23, 2020 19:29
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little munchkin posted:if only there were some way to print the cards people actually want without printing thousands of useless cards at the same time reserved list, but only for bad cards
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May 23, 2020 19:29
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The actual result of the OP changes being leaked is that WotC isn't going to talk to the MPL members about anything in the future tbh
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May 23, 2020 19:36
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Bust Rodd posted:You keep posting as the end of physical OP is the end of kitchen table magic with friends. Why do you think this?
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May 23, 2020 19:41
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Yawgmoth posted:I live in Minnesota. Ah yes, the state that has outlawed friendship.
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May 23, 2020 19:50
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Rinkles posted:didn't realize that was a leak He leaked a part of it(the most important parts generally) a week before the full OP announcement since WotC told members of the MPL/Rival a full 2 weeks before anyone else would've gotten the information otherwise. Some number of MPL/Rival obviously told him(and probably a few other number of people?) but Austin went public with it, and now WotC or Hasbro or whoever want him to snitch.
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May 23, 2020 19:55
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Per WOTC themselves only 10% of Magic players even make it into a store to participate in organized play. That number probably doesn't mean as much since the launch of Arena but yeah
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May 23, 2020 20:31
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dragon enthusiast posted:Per WOTC themselves only 10% of Magic players even make it into a store to participate in organized play. That number probably doesn't mean as much since the launch of Arena but yeah I don't doubt that there's a statistically significant contingent of people who never go to any sort of sanctioned play for whatever reason(s), but I would love to know how they reach the numbers that they report.
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May 23, 2020 20:44
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Yawgmoth posted:I really want to know how they come up with these numbers. It would be very interesting to know how they define a player in this case, how they get the data for these players without them ever going to an event, how they know that these people are still playing/purchasing, and how they avoid duplication. Like if I go buy a fat pack from Target because I got a gift card there, then buy a couple packs off the rack at Walgreens because they're on sale and I found $5 on the ground, then go play at FNM at my LGS, am I getting counted as a player three times? And if so, does only one of these count as "player who makes it to organized play" since it's just the one purchase tied to my name? Or are they just making some extremely broad assumptions about purchases made at X store over Y store and extrapolating from volume? I assume they can tell based on how many lovely precons and core set theme booster packs they sell at Walmart.
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May 23, 2020 20:47
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Yawgmoth posted:I really want to know how they come up with these numbers. It would be very interesting to know how they define a player in this case, how they get the data for these players without them ever going to an event, how they know that these people are still playing/purchasing, and how they avoid duplication. Like if I go buy a fat pack from Target because I got a gift card there, then buy a couple packs off the rack at Walgreens because they're on sale and I found $5 on the ground, then go play at FNM at my LGS, am I getting counted as a player three times? And if so, does only one of these count as "player who makes it to organized play" since it's just the one purchase tied to my name? Or are they just making some extremely broad assumptions about purchases made at X store over Y store and extrapolating from volume? MaRo and Shivam Bhatt have both answered this publicly a few times but only on Twittter and it wasn't widely spread, but Hasbro hires surveying firms to collect data at places like GenCon or other industry game shows, and keep in mind they said 10% make it in for organized play but lots of stores do keeo track of whose signing up for FNM vs who is just there for pick up games of Commander, so game stores are also selectively surveyed to figure out the breakdown of comp/casual. Basically MaRo said that Hasbro has better data than anyone could imagine, because their entire business model is predicated on acting on that data, and since Hasbro is making more money off Magic than ever, their data might be doing its job.
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